Cost of Attendance Announced

[boonetown1]

I was for a while in the camp of supporting the notion of COA. But, honestly, the more and more I think about it I think it is ridiculous. I have one child at App and another getting ready to go to college next year. We are not rich, but not poor, and I can say for sure that next year will not be easy for us and we will probably have to do some loans with both in school.

The concept of a free education is really quite a fringe benefit, if you think about it.

I get all the reasons why people are for it, but it really sucks to think that athletes will soon be getting a free education and a paycheck, with no loans to pay back.

I agree an free education is worth a lot. At the very least I think the ncaa should put a lower cap on COA. One that all schools can afford so the schools are selling themselves for academics, sports or location and not lobbying kids because of money.

[Yosef10]

I was for a while in the camp of supporting the notion of COA. But, honestly, the more and more I think about it I think it is ridiculous. I have one child at App and another getting ready to go to college next year. We are not rich, but not poor, and I can say for sure that next year will not be easy for us and we will probably have to do some loans with both in school.

The concept of a free education is really quite a fringe benefit, if you think about it.

I get all the reasons why people are for it, but it really sucks to think that athletes will soon be getting a free education and a paycheck, with no loans to pay back.

I agree an free education is worth a lot. At the very least I think the ncaa should put a lower cap on COA. One that all schools can afford so the schools are selling themselves for academics, sports or location and not lobbying kids because of money.

That boat sailed away long long ago. Money is the only reason this whole thing (NCAA) exists.

[CocoApp]

I understand the thought process behind the theory that athletes get a free education plus now they are going to get additional money for COA. However the average college athlete spends 40 hours per week practicing, training and playing in order to receive that scholarship. In addition their effort either directly or indirectly brings in large sums of money for their respective college. Those same athletes could make roughly the same amount of money that their scholarship is worth by getting a job working at a fast food restiarant or any place else at the minimum wage. Roughly they would make a little over $15,000 per year if they worked 40 hours per week for 52 weeks. That is roughly what their scholarship is worth at App State. I guess my point is that any student who would be willing to put the same time into a job that athletes spend preparing could earn enough to pay for their college cost too. Now the job at the fast food restaurant may not be as glamorous as playing college sports but none-the-less it would pay for their college. So until a kid is willing to work a job for forty hours per week for 52 weeks per year they should not be complaining about athletes receiving scholarships for preparing , training and playing for that scholarship. Many students get scholarships for just having excellent grades and or other academic tallent which is wonderful. However they are not spending 40 hours beyond going to class and studying to earn that scholarship. They just have to maintain the requirement to keep the scholarship. Believe it or not there would be athletes that might qualify for the academic scholarships as well and not have to put their bodies through what they do to pay for school. In reality college sports is a job. But as they say if you love what you do and are having fun then work does not seem like work.

[bcoach]

I understand the thought process behind the theory that athletes get a free education plus now they are going to get additional money for COA. However the average college athlete spends 40 hours per week practicing, training and playing in order to receive that scholarship. In addition their effort either directly or indirectly brings in large sums of money for their respective college. Those same athletes could make roughly the same amount of money that their scholarship is worth by getting a job working at a fast food restiarant or any place else at the minimum wage. Roughly they would make a little over $15,000 per year if they worked 40 hours per week for 52 weeks. That is roughly what their scholarship is worth at App State. I guess my point is that any student who would be willing to put the same time into a job that athletes spend preparing could earn enough to pay for their college cost too. Now the job at the fast food restaurant may not be as glamorous as playing college sports but none-the-less it would pay for their college. So until a kid is willing to work a job for forty hours per week for 52 weeks per year they should not be complaining about athletes receiving scholarships for preparing , training and playing for that scholarship. Many students get scholarships for just having excellent grades and or other academic tallent which is wonderful. However they are not spending 40 hours beyond going to class and studying to earn that scholarship. They just have to maintain the requirement to keep the scholarship. Believe it or not there would be athletes that might qualify for the academic scholarships as well and not have to put their bodies through what they do to pay for school. In reality college sports is a job. But as they say if you love what you do and are having fun then work does not seem like work.

So how do you justify trainers who put in much more that 40 hours getting zero compensation. There is no possibility they can get a paying job. Try running the program without them. I truly don't think 99.5% of fans have any idea what the trainers do. These are not water boys/girls. These are kids doing a professional job. They are in the training room before the athletes arrive and still there after they leave. They bust there butts and pay their own way, every single penny. Get back to me on the athletes (who I love ) needing more money when trainers get a scholarship. If we are talking about how much the players bring in as far as revenue try doing it without the trainers. I am not positive about this so this is an honest question. Is there anyone else in the department who gets zero compensation? I think I know the answer but not positive.

[CocoApp]

Don't disagree that a lot of people around athletic departments spend a lot of hours without compensation. However they go into it knowing the requirement and they volunteer. Thank goodness they do it. Right or wrong almost all sporting events at every level have volunteers who make the event happen whether it be golf tournaments, football games, bball games, track meets, etc. Is life fair for some students to be paid for their work and others not be? The answer of course is no. Is it fair that professional golfers make huge sums of money while the tournaments only happen because of all of the volunteers. I admit I went to App on a football scholarship. However my youngest son, a recent App graduate, volunteered in the weight room for three years helping athletes prepare without one dime of compensation. He went into knowing the time requirement and knowing that he would not get paid but is was what he really wanted to do. We could debate fair and not fair for hours and we both could argue our points successfully. But you are right about trainers, managers, equipment guys, and all the others that are extremely important and if life was fair they would be paid too. But unfortunately it is not and we all are affected by that at times during our lives.


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[Yosef10]

I understand the thought process behind the theory that athletes get a free education plus now they are going to get additional money for COA. However the average college athlete spends 40 hours per week practicing, training and playing in order to receive that scholarship. In addition their effort either directly or indirectly brings in large sums of money for their respective college. Those same athletes could make roughly the same amount of money that their scholarship is worth by getting a job working at a fast food restiarant or any place else at the minimum wage. Roughly they would make a little over $15,000 per year if they worked 40 hours per week for 52 weeks. That is roughly what their scholarship is worth at App State. I guess my point is that any student who would be willing to put the same time into a job that athletes spend preparing could earn enough to pay for their college cost too. Now the job at the fast food restaurant may not be as glamorous as playing college sports but none-the-less it would pay for their college. So until a kid is willing to work a job for forty hours per week for 52 weeks per year they should not be complaining about athletes receiving scholarships for preparing , training and playing for that scholarship. Many students get scholarships for just having excellent grades and or other academic tallent which is wonderful. However they are not spending 40 hours beyond going to class and studying to earn that scholarship. They just have to maintain the requirement to keep the scholarship. Believe it or not there would be athletes that might qualify for the academic scholarships as well and not have to put their bodies through what they do to pay for school. In reality college sports is a job. But as they say if you love what you do and are having fun then work does not seem like work.

So how do you justify trainers who put in much more that 40 hours getting zero compensation. There is no possibility they can get a paying job. Try running the program without them. I truly don't think 99.5% of fans have any idea what the trainers do. These are not water boys/girls. These are kids doing a professional job. They are in the training room before the athletes arrive and still there after they leave. They bust there butts and pay their own way, every single penny. Get back to me on the athletes (who I love ) needing more money when trainers get a scholarship. If we are talking about how much the players bring in as far as revenue try doing it without the trainers. I am not positive about this so this is an honest question. Is there anyone else in the department who gets zero compensation? I think I know the answer but not positive.

No one pays money to sit inKBS or any other stadium in the country to watch the trainers. The student trainers are volunteers so your comparison is apples to oranges. In America when you bring in revenue you're usually owed a percentage of that, but for some reason we ignore this ONLY when talking about collegiate football and basketball players....very odd.

[3rd]

I understand the thought process behind the theory that athletes get a free education plus now they are going to get additional money for COA. However the average college athlete spends 40 hours per week practicing, training and playing in order to receive that scholarship. In addition their effort either directly or indirectly brings in large sums of money for their respective college. Those same athletes could make roughly the same amount of money that their scholarship is worth by getting a job working at a fast food restiarant or any place else at the minimum wage. Roughly they would make a little over $15,000 per year if they worked 40 hours per week for 52 weeks. That is roughly what their scholarship is worth at App State. I guess my point is that any student who would be willing to put the same time into a job that athletes spend preparing could earn enough to pay for their college cost too. Now the job at the fast food restaurant may not be as glamorous as playing college sports but none-the-less it would pay for their college. So until a kid is willing to work a job for forty hours per week for 52 weeks per year they should not be complaining about athletes receiving scholarships for preparing , training and playing for that scholarship. Many students get scholarships for just having excellent grades and or other academic tallent which is wonderful. However they are not spending 40 hours beyond going to class and studying to earn that scholarship. They just have to maintain the requirement to keep the scholarship. Believe it or not there would be athletes that might qualify for the academic scholarships as well and not have to put their bodies through what they do to pay for school. In reality college sports is a job. But as they say if you love what you do and are having fun then work does not seem like work.

So how do you justify trainers who put in much more that 40 hours getting zero compensation. There is no possibility they can get a paying job. Try running the program without them. I truly don't think 99.5% of fans have any idea what the trainers do. These are not water boys/girls. These are kids doing a professional job. They are in the training room before the athletes arrive and still there after they leave. They bust there butts and pay their own way, every single penny. Get back to me on the athletes (who I love ) needing more money when trainers get a scholarship. If we are talking about how much the players bring in as far as revenue try doing it without the trainers. I am not positive about this so this is an honest question. Is there anyone else in the department who gets zero compensation? I think I know the answer but not positive.

No one pays money to sit inKBS or any other stadium in the country to watch the trainers. The student trainers are volunteers so your comparison is apples to oranges. In America when you bring in revenue you're usually owed a percentage of that, but for some reason we ignore this ONLY when talking about collegiate football and basketball players....very odd.

Not true what you are saying. They are not "volunteers" more like "voluntold" just like the education majors on campus (and I am sure others) are required to do more than just the "hour" credit in the classroom they are receiving and not getting compensated. Also in America to receive that money you must be bringing in more money than you cost....Last time I checked there are only a few athletic departments that bring in more money than they spend. Isn't their another thread about how we are not bringing in enough money?

[Yosef10]

I understand the thought process behind the theory that athletes get a free education plus now they are going to get additional money for COA. However the average college athlete spends 40 hours per week practicing, training and playing in order to receive that scholarship. In addition their effort either directly or indirectly brings in large sums of money for their respective college. Those same athletes could make roughly the same amount of money that their scholarship is worth by getting a job working at a fast food restiarant or any place else at the minimum wage. Roughly they would make a little over $15,000 per year if they worked 40 hours per week for 52 weeks. That is roughly what their scholarship is worth at App State. I guess my point is that any student who would be willing to put the same time into a job that athletes spend preparing could earn enough to pay for their college cost too. Now the job at the fast food restaurant may not be as glamorous as playing college sports but none-the-less it would pay for their college. So until a kid is willing to work a job for forty hours per week for 52 weeks per year they should not be complaining about athletes receiving scholarships for preparing , training and playing for that scholarship. Many students get scholarships for just having excellent grades and or other academic tallent which is wonderful. However they are not spending 40 hours beyond going to class and studying to earn that scholarship. They just have to maintain the requirement to keep the scholarship. Believe it or not there would be athletes that might qualify for the academic scholarships as well and not have to put their bodies through what they do to pay for school. In reality college sports is a job. But as they say if you love what you do and are having fun then work does not seem like work.

So how do you justify trainers who put in much more that 40 hours getting zero compensation. There is no possibility they can get a paying job. Try running the program without them. I truly don't think 99.5% of fans have any idea what the trainers do. These are not water boys/girls. These are kids doing a professional job. They are in the training room before the athletes arrive and still there after they leave. They bust there butts and pay their own way, every single penny. Get back to me on the athletes (who I love ) needing more money when trainers get a scholarship. If we are talking about how much the players bring in as far as revenue try doing it without the trainers. I am not positive about this so this is an honest question. Is there anyone else in the department who gets zero compensation? I think I know the answer but not positive.

No one pays money to sit inKBS or any other stadium in the country to watch the trainers. The student trainers are volunteers so your comparison is apples to oranges. In America when you bring in revenue you're usually owed a percentage of that, but for some reason we ignore this ONLY when talking about collegiate football and basketball players....very odd.

Not true what you are saying. They are not "volunteers" more like "voluntold" just like the education majors on campus (and I am sure others) are required to do more than just the "hour" credit in the classroom they are receiving and not getting compensated. Also in America to receive that money you must be bringing in more money than you cost....Last time I checked there are only a few athletic departments that bring in more money than they spend. Isn't their another thread about how we are not bringing in enough money?

Either way these trainers aren't recruited to campus for a specific reason..c'mon we can't really think they are the same? It would also be interesting to see the athletic departments statements if they weren't considered non-profit aka spending every single dollar that comes in.

[bcoach]

Don't disagree that a lot of people around athletic departments spend a lot of hours without compensation. However they go into it knowing the requirement and they volunteer. Thank goodness they do it. Right or wrong almost all sporting events at every level have volunteers who make the event happen whether it be golf tournaments, football games, bball games, track meets, etc. Is life fair for some students to be paid for their work and others not be? The answer of course is no. Is it fair that professional golfers make huge sums of money while the tournaments only happen because of all of the volunteers. I admit I went to App on a football scholarship. However my youngest son, a recent App graduate, volunteered in the weight room for three years helping athletes prepare without one dime of compensation. He went into knowing the time requirement and knowing that he would not get paid but is was what he really wanted to do. We could debate fair and not fair for hours and we both could argue our points successfully. But you are right about trainers, managers, equipment guys, and all the others that are extremely important and if life was fair they would be paid too. But unfortunately it is not and we all are affected by that at times during our lives.


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They are not volunteers they are members of a program. They are working on a certification that is very hard to get. If you played the game and don't realize their value in comparison to volunteers I am a little baffled by that.

[CocoApp]

If they are getting a certification then they are getting a value from it. Many people get certifications in life but volunteer their time to do so. Whether it be additional schooling or just putting in the hours to do so. I am sure in doing so the hope is the certification will lead to a job or some improvement in life. The trainers and others at App when I was there did an excellent job and several have made a career out of the skills they developed. Again they went into it knowing they were not going to get paid. They had full disclosure. If they did not want to do it then they did not have to. They could have done work study or have gone and gotten a job like many kids do and help pay for their college that way if it was needed. I am sure some did in addition to working with the athletic programs. I had friends who worked several jobs at the same time to help pay for college. Unfortunately they were not blessed with athletic, academic, musical or others skills that might have helped them land a scholarship. They did it the old fashion way. They literally worked for it. I admire those people tremendously. We and we alone are responsible for our individual decisions in life about what we do, how we act and how we treat others and we live with the consequences of that everyday. I know I certainly do. About being baffled. I am sure there are many things I don't know that you probably do. That is the beauty of life. If everyone knew or professed to know everything this would be a pretty boring world with little excitement. You do not baffle me.You are just stating your opinion which you have every right to do.

[NewApp]

I understand the thought process behind the theory that athletes get a free education plus now they are going to get additional money for COA. However the average college athlete spends 40 hours per week practicing, training and playing in order to receive that scholarship. In addition their effort either directly or indirectly brings in large sums of money for their respective college. Those same athletes could make roughly the same amount of money that their scholarship is worth by getting a job working at a fast food restiarant or any place else at the minimum wage. Roughly they would make a little over $15,000 per year if they worked 40 hours per week for 52 weeks. That is roughly what their scholarship is worth at App State. I guess my point is that any student who would be willing to put the same time into a job that athletes spend preparing could earn enough to pay for their college cost too. Now the job at the fast food restaurant may not be as glamorous as playing college sports but none-the-less it would pay for their college. So until a kid is willing to work a job for forty hours per week for 52 weeks per year they should not be complaining about athletes receiving scholarships for preparing , training and playing for that scholarship. Many students get scholarships for just having excellent grades and or other academic tallent which is wonderful. However they are not spending 40 hours beyond going to class and studying to earn that scholarship. They just have to maintain the requirement to keep the scholarship. Believe it or not there would be athletes that might qualify for the academic scholarships as well and not have to put their bodies through what they do to pay for school. In reality college sports is a job. But as they say if you love what you do and are having fun then work does not seem like work.

Not counting playing and training, they are restricted by the NCAA to 20 hours per week of practice.

[CocoApp]

Please note I included playing and training. Training is the real time consumer. Not only on an organized level but also on their own. There is constant running and weightlifting throughout the year on their own.


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[CocoApp]

http://www.businessinsider.com/college- ... ing-2015-1


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[scatman77]

I understand the thought process behind the theory that athletes get a free education plus now they are going to get additional money for COA. However the average college athlete spends 40 hours per week practicing, training and playing in order to receive that scholarship. In addition their effort either directly or indirectly brings in large sums of money for their respective college. Those same athletes could make roughly the same amount of money that their scholarship is worth by getting a job working at a fast food restiarant or any place else at the minimum wage. Roughly they would make a little over $15,000 per year if they worked 40 hours per week for 52 weeks. That is roughly what their scholarship is worth at App State. I guess my point is that any student who would be willing to put the same time into a job that athletes spend preparing could earn enough to pay for their college cost too. Now the job at the fast food restaurant may not be as glamorous as playing college sports but none-the-less it would pay for their college. So until a kid is willing to work a job for forty hours per week for 52 weeks per year they should not be complaining about athletes receiving scholarships for preparing , training and playing for that scholarship. Many students get scholarships for just having excellent grades and or other academic tallent which is wonderful. However they are not spending 40 hours beyond going to class and studying to earn that scholarship. They just have to maintain the requirement to keep the scholarship. Believe it or not there would be athletes that might qualify for the academic scholarships as well and not have to put their bodies through what they do to pay for school. In reality college sports is a job. But as they say if you love what you do and are having fun then work does not seem like work.

So how do you justify trainers who put in much more that 40 hours getting zero compensation. There is no possibility they can get a paying job. Try running the program without them. I truly don't think 99.5% of fans have any idea what the trainers do. These are not water boys/girls. These are kids doing a professional job. They are in the training room before the athletes arrive and still there after they leave. They bust there butts and pay their own way, every single penny. Get back to me on the athletes (who I love ) needing more money when trainers get a scholarship. If we are talking about how much the players bring in as far as revenue try doing it without the trainers. I am not positive about this so this is an honest question. Is there anyone else in the department who gets zero compensation? I think I know the answer but not positive.

Coach, I love ya man for the comments but it's "athletic trainers." That being said you hit the nail squarely and solidly concerning AT's. I did that for 4 years undergrad and 2 years grad, and the time while not as consuming as football we did have to put in the hours taking care of the others sports and athletes as well. I too would like to see the AT's compensate with COA as well.

[NewApp]

I understand the thought process behind the theory that athletes get a free education plus now they are going to get additional money for COA. However the average college athlete spends 40 hours per week practicing, training and playing in order to receive that scholarship. In addition their effort either directly or indirectly brings in large sums of money for their respective college. Those same athletes could make roughly the same amount of money that their scholarship is worth by getting a job working at a fast food restiarant or any place else at the minimum wage. Roughly they would make a little over $15,000 per year if they worked 40 hours per week for 52 weeks. That is roughly what their scholarship is worth at App State. I guess my point is that any student who would be willing to put the same time into a job that athletes spend preparing could earn enough to pay for their college cost too. Now the job at the fast food restaurant may not be as glamorous as playing college sports but none-the-less it would pay for their college. So until a kid is willing to work a job for forty hours per week for 52 weeks per year they should not be complaining about athletes receiving scholarships for preparing , training and playing for that scholarship. Many students get scholarships for just having excellent grades and or other academic tallent which is wonderful. However they are not spending 40 hours beyond going to class and studying to earn that scholarship. They just have to maintain the requirement to keep the scholarship. Believe it or not there would be athletes that might qualify for the academic scholarships as well and not have to put their bodies through what they do to pay for school. In reality college sports is a job. But as they say if you love what you do and are having fun then work does not seem like work.

So how do you justify trainers who put in much more that 40 hours getting zero compensation. There is no possibility they can get a paying job. Try running the program without them. I truly don't think 99.5% of fans have any idea what the trainers do. These are not water boys/girls. These are kids doing a professional job. They are in the training room before the athletes arrive and still there after they leave. They bust there butts and pay their own way, every single penny. Get back to me on the athletes (who I love ) needing more money when trainers get a scholarship. If we are talking about how much the players bring in as far as revenue try doing it without the trainers. I am not positive about this so this is an honest question. Is there anyone else in the department who gets zero compensation? I think I know the answer but not positive.

No one pays money to sit inKBS or any other stadium in the country to watch the trainers. The student trainers are volunteers so your comparison is apples to oranges. In America when you bring in revenue you're usually owed a percentage of that, but for some reason we ignore this ONLY when talking about collegiate football and basketball players....very odd.

What about those who run track, play soocer, baseball, softball or a myriad of other sports? Why do they not get paid if football and basketball players do and what about women's sports?

[CocoApp]

They certainly deserve it but will not be included immediately in the COA. It is my understanding they will be phased in over a period of time as money becomes available . Fair or not they are going to take care of the revenue sports first. Some schools have the money to start paying everyone all at once. App does not have that kind of money unfortunately.


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[scatman77]

Yosef10: part of me understands your point but the main thing is that scholarship or not every student athlete, student athletic training aide, student manager, video assistant, and any other student in the athletic department is there voluntarily. No one forced the athlete to sign the LOI.

As for COA I'm still an old purist. You get a free education in return for your athletic abilities to represent ASU. If you're good enough you'll get a professional contract. Most will not and will need that free education to become gainfully employed. A free preparation for employment or a free "minor league" into the pros is a pretty good gig.

[bcoach]

I understand the thought process behind the theory that athletes get a free education plus now they are going to get additional money for COA. However the average college athlete spends 40 hours per week practicing, training and playing in order to receive that scholarship. In addition their effort either directly or indirectly brings in large sums of money for their respective college. Those same athletes could make roughly the same amount of money that their scholarship is worth by getting a job working at a fast food restiarant or any place else at the minimum wage. Roughly they would make a little over $15,000 per year if they worked 40 hours per week for 52 weeks. That is roughly what their scholarship is worth at App State. I guess my point is that any student who would be willing to put the same time into a job that athletes spend preparing could earn enough to pay for their college cost too. Now the job at the fast food restaurant may not be as glamorous as playing college sports but none-the-less it would pay for their college. So until a kid is willing to work a job for forty hours per week for 52 weeks per year they should not be complaining about athletes receiving scholarships for preparing , training and playing for that scholarship. Many students get scholarships for just having excellent grades and or other academic tallent which is wonderful. However they are not spending 40 hours beyond going to class and studying to earn that scholarship. They just have to maintain the requirement to keep the scholarship. Believe it or not there would be athletes that might qualify for the academic scholarships as well and not have to put their bodies through what they do to pay for school. In reality college sports is a job. But as they say if you love what you do and are having fun then work does not seem like work.

So how do you justify trainers who put in much more that 40 hours getting zero compensation. There is no possibility they can get a paying job. Try running the program without them. I truly don't think 99.5% of fans have any idea what the trainers do. These are not water boys/girls. These are kids doing a professional job. They are in the training room before the athletes arrive and still there after they leave. They bust there butts and pay their own way, every single penny. Get back to me on the athletes (who I love ) needing more money when trainers get a scholarship. If we are talking about how much the players bring in as far as revenue try doing it without the trainers. I am not positive about this so this is an honest question. Is there anyone else in the department who gets zero compensation? I think I know the answer but not positive.

Coach, I love ya man for the comments but it's "athletic trainers." That being said you hit the nail squarely and solidly concerning AT's. I did that for 4 years undergrad and 2 years grad, and the time while not as consuming as football we did have to put in the hours taking care of the others sports and athletes as well. I too would like to see the AT's compensate with COA as well.

You are correct and I know that as I paid for one. A very good one I may add. I do use the full name in other conversations but thought that here it was a given. Now with the response I have seen from some it is not a given and I appreciate your correction.

[bcoach]

I understand the thought process behind the theory that athletes get a free education plus now they are going to get additional money for COA. However the average college athlete spends 40 hours per week practicing, training and playing in order to receive that scholarship. In addition their effort either directly or indirectly brings in large sums of money for their respective college. Those same athletes could make roughly the same amount of money that their scholarship is worth by getting a job working at a fast food restiarant or any place else at the minimum wage. Roughly they would make a little over $15,000 per year if they worked 40 hours per week for 52 weeks. That is roughly what their scholarship is worth at App State. I guess my point is that any student who would be willing to put the same time into a job that athletes spend preparing could earn enough to pay for their college cost too. Now the job at the fast food restaurant may not be as glamorous as playing college sports but none-the-less it would pay for their college. So until a kid is willing to work a job for forty hours per week for 52 weeks per year they should not be complaining about athletes receiving scholarships for preparing , training and playing for that scholarship. Many students get scholarships for just having excellent grades and or other academic tallent which is wonderful. However they are not spending 40 hours beyond going to class and studying to earn that scholarship. They just have to maintain the requirement to keep the scholarship. Believe it or not there would be athletes that might qualify for the academic scholarships as well and not have to put their bodies through what they do to pay for school. In reality college sports is a job. But as they say if you love what you do and are having fun then work does not seem like work.

So how do you justify trainers who put in much more that 40 hours getting zero compensation. There is no possibility they can get a paying job. Try running the program without them. I truly don't think 99.5% of fans have any idea what the trainers do. These are not water boys/girls. These are kids doing a professional job. They are in the training room before the athletes arrive and still there after they leave. They bust there butts and pay their own way, every single penny. Get back to me on the athletes (who I love ) needing more money when trainers get a scholarship. If we are talking about how much the players bring in as far as revenue try doing it without the trainers. I am not positive about this so this is an honest question. Is there anyone else in the department who gets zero compensation? I think I know the answer but not positive.

Coach, I love ya man for the comments but it's "athletic trainers." That being said you hit the nail squarely and solidly concerning AT's. I did that for 4 years undergrad and 2 years grad, and the time while not as consuming as football we did have to put in the hours taking care of the others sports and athletes as well. I too would like to see the AT's compensate with COA as well.

You are correct and I know that as I paid for one. A very good one I may add. I do use the full name in other conversations but thought that here it was a given. Now with the response I have seen from some it is not a given and I appreciate your correction.

[bcoach]

Sorry guys I don't know why that happened.