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Gameday!!!

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Re: Gameday!!!

Unread post by yosef69 » Sat Nov 05, 2022 7:42 pm

Also, the rotation is whack. Keep our best back in. Stop rotating them, they can’t get in a groove.

Plus it’ll be hard to get good backs recruited when they know they’re gonna get less than 10 carries a game

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Re: Gameday!!!

Unread post by Mjohn1988 » Sat Nov 05, 2022 7:58 pm

Yosefus wrote:
Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:47 pm
spacemonkey wrote:
Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:09 pm
I have looked for a Clark/Coastal post game press conference. Has anyone seen the video anywhere????
It was less than 2 minutes long. Clark was visibly pissed, said some questioned going for it on 4th down and wouldn't have changed the decision. I would bet he would make a different play call on both 3rd and 4th down had he the chance for a do over though
This was his chance to do it over again. Clark was questioned about the 4th down call at Texas State. His response, “I have complete confidence” in our team getting the yard we need on 4th down. On this message board I asked why he would have “complete confidence” in our current team picking up short yardage? It’s not something we do well. But Clark was true to his word and we ran right at 9 guys 2 times in a row. I would almost pay one of linemen to get a false start on 3rd and one to put us in 3rd and 6 so we would throw the ball and have a better chance at getting a first down. Good coaches are ably to realize what they have and adapt. We haven’t adapted to who we have and what we do well and we make few if any in game changes until it’s desperation time. I’m still pulling for coach Clark but he’s got to stop trying to put a square peg in a round hole.

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Re: Gameday!!!

Unread post by Mjohn1988 » Sat Nov 05, 2022 8:14 pm

bcoach wrote:
Sat Nov 05, 2022 8:50 am
We have a problem with the offensive line play for sure. Some would say size but they are about what we have always had I believe. Strength and conditioning? Well that is what I believe is a good part of it but not 100% of the problem. I think another factor is we have a line made for a mobile QB and don't have a mobile QB. Not the lines fault and not any fault of the QB. I know same as last year, but I still feel this way. There will be some changes in assistants at the end of the season I am sure but I really believe we need to get our line capabilities in sink with our QB capabilities.
You say something here I think is key, “about what we have always had”. The Sunbelt has not only caught us it has passed us. What we always had isn’t going to work anymore. I really think we are failing in the weight room. We get pushed around on both the O and D lines and our backers and secondary players simply aren’t athletic enough to get in position to make good tackles. To be clear I’m not picking on the players I just think they haven’t been trained properly and or they haven’t had it made clear to them that if they want to win in the new Sunbelt they will need to always be getting bigger, faster, stronger. That starts with our head coach making that clear to his strength and conditioning coach. Goals need to be set for each player and people need to be held accountable for achieving those goals. Coach Clark said in a recent interview that we don’t really recruit mesurables, we recruit football players. I say to coach Clark, that’s ok, but you owe it to that kid you recruit to give him the very best shot he can have at being competitive on the field. You can’t make him longer or taller but you can make him bigger, faster and stronger and you should require improvement ever season for ever guy.

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Re: Gameday!!!

Unread post by Saint3333 » Sat Nov 05, 2022 8:39 pm

Yosefus wrote:
Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:47 pm
spacemonkey wrote:
Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:09 pm
I have looked for a Clark/Coastal post game press conference. Has anyone seen the video anywhere????
It was less than 2 minutes long. Clark was visibly pissed, said some questioned going for it on 4th down and wouldn't have changed the decision. I would bet he would make a different play call on both 3rd and 4th down had he the chance for a do over though
I believe Clark when he says he’d go for it again, that is pride which is preventing growth. At some point you have to accept the limitations of your team and scheme and adjust. That is one of our weaknesses this year.

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Re: Gameday!!!

Unread post by trjinc@triad.rr.com » Sat Nov 05, 2022 9:02 pm

Exactly, it's called coaching. We don't game plan to attack teams weaknesses. Coastal has 7 to 9 in the box, and their dbs are awful. Why run it at all. Our next 2 opponents played each other today. Marshall can't throw it and cant stop the pass, and ODU can't run it and can't stop the run. Wonder how we will game plan for either. Probably continue to try to run no matter what!

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Re: Gameday!!!

Unread post by AppSt91 » Sat Nov 05, 2022 9:11 pm

We don’t worry about our opponents. We just do what we do.

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Re: Gameday!!!

Unread post by Stonewall » Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:27 am

Watched the replay.Take away the two turnovers and we likely win this one despite our defensive lapses.The snap hit him in the hands ...

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Unread post by WVAPPeer » Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:13 pm

My question is why call a play up under center? - What is the advantage? It's something we rarely do so personally I wouldn't call inside the 5 yd line -
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Unread post by appbio91 » Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:20 pm

trjinc@triad.rr.com wrote:
Sat Nov 05, 2022 9:02 pm
Exactly, it's called coaching. We don't game plan to attack teams weaknesses. Coastal has 7 to 9 in the box, and their dbs are awful. Why run it at all. Our next 2 opponents played each other today. Marshall can't throw it and cant stop the pass, and ODU can't run it and can't stop the run. Wonder how we will game plan for either. Probably continue to try to run no matter what!
We will have the same game plan we have all year. We are just that good. We do not have to change anything we do based on the other team’s strengths and weaknesses. We will impose our will. If the game ebb and flow dictates we do something different, be damned, we are App State!!

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Unread post by appbio91 » Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:25 pm

WVAPPeer wrote:
Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:13 pm
My question is why call a play up under center? - What is the advantage? It's something we rarely do so personally I wouldn't call inside the 5 yd line -
This was a key decision in my mind, just do what got you to the 5 and score damnit. I was not surprised at all by the outcome neither Chase or the center are used to that in a game situation, it was just bad.

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Unread post by AppinVA » Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:28 pm

appbio91 wrote:
Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:25 pm
WVAPPeer wrote:
Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:13 pm
My question is why call a play up under center? - What is the advantage? It's something we rarely do so personally I wouldn't call inside the 5 yd line -
This was a key decision in my mind, just do what got you to the 5 and score damnit. I was not surprised at all by the outcome neither Chase or the center are used to that in a game situation, it was just bad.
Fortunately, we got a stop and scored on the next offense series.
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Unread post by AppinATL » Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:33 pm

AppinVA wrote:
Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:28 pm
appbio91 wrote:
Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:25 pm
WVAPPeer wrote:
Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:13 pm
My question is why call a play up under center? - What is the advantage? It's something we rarely do so personally I wouldn't call inside the 5 yd line -
This was a key decision in my mind, just do what got you to the 5 and score damnit. I was not surprised at all by the outcome neither Chase or the center are used to that in a game situation, it was just bad.
Fortunately, we got a stop and scored on the next offense series.
True, but it cost us a likely TD and we lost by…a TD.

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Unread post by BeauFoster » Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:10 pm

AppinATL wrote:
Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:33 pm
AppinVA wrote:
Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:28 pm
appbio91 wrote:
Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:25 pm
WVAPPeer wrote:
Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:13 pm
My question is why call a play up under center? - What is the advantage? It's something we rarely do so personally I wouldn't call inside the 5 yd line -
This was a key decision in my mind, just do what got you to the 5 and score damnit. I was not surprised at all by the outcome neither Chase or the center are used to that in a game situation, it was just bad.
Fortunately, we got a stop and scored on the next offense series.
True, but it cost us a likely TD and we lost by…a TD.
What it really cost us was time. We got a TD without giving up one in return, we just took longer to do it.
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Re: Gameday!!!

Unread post by appbio91 » Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:25 pm

BeauFoster wrote:
Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:10 pm
AppinATL wrote:
Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:33 pm
AppinVA wrote:
Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:28 pm
appbio91 wrote:
Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:25 pm
WVAPPeer wrote:
Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:13 pm
My question is why call a play up under center? - What is the advantage? It's something we rarely do so personally I wouldn't call inside the 5 yd line -
This was a key decision in my mind, just do what got you to the 5 and score damnit. I was not surprised at all by the outcome neither Chase or the center are used to that in a game situation, it was just bad.
Fortunately, we got a stop and scored on the next offense series.
True, but it cost us a likely TD and we lost by…a TD.
What it really cost us was time. We got a TD without giving up one in return, we just took longer to do it.
I think it cost us some momentum and confidence too, just like the illegal man downfield.

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Re: Gameday!!!

Unread post by GSUwasGump’sFallbackSchool » Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:25 pm

Stonewall wrote:
Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:27 am
Watched the replay.Take away the two turnovers and we likely win this one despite our defensive lapses.The snap hit him in the hands ...
This is another thing, and we did the same sh*t against Miami last year on a 2 point conversion. Why snap it under center if you spend 99.9999% of your time in the gun? It’s so mind numbing, and it’s just another thing we try and try again for the last several years.

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Unread post by bigdaddyg » Sun Nov 06, 2022 9:52 pm

GSUwasGump’sFallbackSchool wrote:
Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:25 pm
Stonewall wrote:
Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:27 am
Watched the replay.Take away the two turnovers and we likely win this one despite our defensive lapses.The snap hit him in the hands ...
This is another thing, and we did the same sh*t against Miami last year on a 2 point conversion. Why snap it under center if you spend 99.9999% of your time in the gun? It’s so mind numbing, and it’s just another thing we try and try again for the last several years.
We ran that quick under center play against UNC that worked and was cool- of course we did a bunch of good stuff that day that we apparently stuffed back into the playbook never to be seen again.

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Unread post by AppState89 » Mon Nov 07, 2022 8:28 am

trjinc@triad.rr.com wrote:
Sat Nov 05, 2022 9:02 pm
Exactly, it's called coaching. We don't game plan to attack teams weaknesses. Coastal has 7 to 9 in the box, and their dbs are awful. Why run it at all. Our next 2 opponents played each other today. Marshall can't throw it and cant stop the pass, and ODU can't run it and can't stop the run. Wonder how we will game plan for either. Probably continue to try to run no matter what!
You are correct. I've been saying for weeks and going to say it now. CCU and Marshall have horrible DBs. WE NEED TO THROW THE BALL 15-25 YARDS DOWN FIELD against Marshall. We should have done the same over and over against CCU too.
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Re: Gameday!!!

Unread post by Yosefus » Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:34 am

Saint3333 wrote:
Sat Nov 05, 2022 8:39 pm
Yosefus wrote:
Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:47 pm
spacemonkey wrote:
Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:09 pm
I have looked for a Clark/Coastal post game press conference. Has anyone seen the video anywhere????
It was less than 2 minutes long. Clark was visibly pissed, said some questioned going for it on 4th down and wouldn't have changed the decision. I would bet he would make a different play call on both 3rd and 4th down had he the chance for a do over though
I believe Clark when he says he’d go for it again, that is pride which is preventing growth. At some point you have to accept the limitations of your team and scheme and adjust. That is one of our weaknesses this year.
We probably should have punted. I would think the probability of giving them a long field and getting a stop was much better than the shirt field we gave them. Was a lot of time left in the game at that point. I'm not knocking Clark for going for it, but sure am for the God awful play calls on 3rd and 4th downs.

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Unread post by Yosef84 » Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:30 am

I remember when we played 100% from the shotgun and people were complaining about how we needed to go under center for short yardage situations. Just saying....someone is going to be unhappy regardless.

If we snapped it 4 yards back and Chase got hit behind the line of scrimmage, folks would be asking why we didn't go under center.

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Unread post by AppStateNews » Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:32 am

Yosef84 wrote:
Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:30 am
I remember when we played 100% from the shotgun and people were complaining about how we needed to go under center for short yardage situations. Just saying....someone is going to be unhappy regardless.

If we snapped it 4 yards back and Chase got hit behind the line of scrimmage, folks would be asking why we didn't go under center.
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