Keep Joey 2024 - NIL

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Re: Keep Joey 2024 - NIL

Unread post by GSUwasGump’sFallbackSchool » Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:12 pm

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I heard thru a reliable source that JA and #90 DE are in the cross hairs of NIL money elsewhere.....
Johnson has every single the physical trait that jumps off a piece of paper, and (now) the tape and stats to add to it, that you wonder how he wasn’t SEC out of High School.

The lord doesn’t make to many people that look like him, and some of the ones that do end up playing on Sundays.

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Re: Keep Joey 2024 - NIL

Unread post by RankinApp » Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:19 pm

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10 years from now it may be difficult to continue to being a fan of a program outside the top 40.
Unpopular opinion and in the minority I'm sure, but I'm kinda already there. I'll always love and support App football (and our athletics as a whole), but the joy I used to feel has been sapped with the portal and NIL.

Good for kids getting paid, I guess, but the whole process stinks and I have a hard time getting invested with the knowledge some of our guys are gonna grab the bag and bounce. I can't even imagine being a coach and having to put up with this stuff knowing how hard they work only to have dude's you took a chance on getting poached.

The only App game I've watched this year was the Coastal game. I generally just check the score now and read the game thread here on the Cabin.
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Re: Keep Joey 2024 - NIL

Unread post by Appmountaineers19 » Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:24 pm

I know we probably will never see the #'s but I do wonder how much money each team has for the NIL. The On3 evaluations make me laugh. Their evaluations are so speculative. Look at the deal tracker almost all the deals are undisclosed. Players can go verify themselves on the site and inflate the #'s in their favor. Maybe 10% of all athletes make over 750,000

*edit*

only 25 athletes total make 7 digits according to On3 so that 10% is closer to 3-5%. Most of the 25 are QB's
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Re: Keep Joey 2024 - NIL

Unread post by 311neers » Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:26 pm

Appmountaineers19 wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:24 pm
I know we probably will never see the #'s but I do wonder how much money each team has for the NIL. The On3 evaluations make me laugh. Their evaluations are so speculative. Look at the deal tracker almost all the deals are undisclosed. Players can go verify themselves on the site and inflate the #'s in their favor. Maybe 10% of all athletes make over 750,000
Matt Rhule just said in an interview that a good QB costs $1.5-$2M in the portal. I dislike Matt Rhule for what he did to our Thers (really hate Tepper) but I do believe him here. That's NFL money to party your butt off in college and go to class a couple times a week.

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Re: Keep Joey 2024 - NIL

Unread post by T-Dog » Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:27 pm

AppSt94 wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 1:57 pm
T-Dog wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 1:51 pm
This is depressing. BGP spent way too much time talking about this as well. I would rather talk about the Sun Belt Championship Game.
It really is. It’s just the nature of the beast though and a very poignant example of “careful what you wish for.”
It's not that. Players deserve all the money they can get.

It's about a multi-page discussion about something that doesn't matter 72 hours before a conference championship game. At least wait until Sunday before bringing this up.

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Re: Keep Joey 2024 - NIL

Unread post by 311neers » Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:27 pm

Max Johnson ex TAMU qb, (not the kid we beat) just committed to UNC out of the portal. Is the portal even open? FYI, that's Brad Johnson's son. Wish we got to play them again.

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Re: Keep Joey 2024 - NIL

Unread post by Bigdaddyg1 » Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:29 pm

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Wed Nov 29, 2023 2:54 pm
I would love to know how many players are making $500k or more. Can't be many. I have mixed feelings about NIL. I'm glad athletes can be compensated for their name, image, and likeness off the field, but pay for play bothers me. I have enjoyed watching #4 and all the others play this season, but I'd rather just say, "next man up," and enjoy watching them next season rather than get into some bidding war for players who's just after a "payday." But I'm over 50 and a traditionalist, so I'm probably in the minority. I'll gladly give to fund scholarships and if I had a business, I would gladly pay a player to promote it, but I'm not willing to give to a slush fund to buy players.
Other than maybe a Heismann trophy winner (who has personality) doing the funny Dr Pepper or Heismann House commercials I can't believe a business actually wants to pay an athlete to endorse his company- unless he's getting sweet tickets in exchange. I've heard Drake Maye on some heating and air commercials. I have nothing against him but I could not care less and don't think he offers anything to that advertising.

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Re: Keep Joey 2024 - NIL

Unread post by Appmountaineers19 » Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:29 pm

311neers wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:27 pm
Max Johnson ex TAMU qb, (not the kid we beat) just committed to UNC out of the portal. Is the portal even open? FYI, that's Brad Johnson's son. Wish we got to play them again.

There are no rules anymore.
It's like the "legal tampering" in the NFL the 48 hours before free agency.
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Re: Keep Joey 2024 - NIL

Unread post by t4pizza » Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:30 pm

ericsaid wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 1:39 pm
Rekdiver wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 1:20 pm
I heard thru a reliable source that JA and #90 DE are in the cross hairs of NIL money elsewhere.....
Fact of the matter is that they can get to the NFL from App just as easily as they can elsewhere. I get it's not just about that but success isn't guaranteed. McLeod had a few decent games for Auburn but is it something that going to get him on NFL radars? Probably not. He may have sacrificed tomorrow for today and I'd hope that these guys are able to see that.
At one point in the season Jalen lead the SEC in sack rate (forget the actual name of the stat), not sure if he still does but either way, those things get noticed when you do it in the SEC far more than at G5 schools. Just look at the NCAA record books, it is loaded with G5 players setting records and a great many of them never sniff the NFL. Record setting P5 players get drafted at a much higher rate. Carlton Martial is the all time leading tackler in NCAA history (graduated Troy last year) and didn't get a sniff from the NFL. So while I will agree that it is possible to make the NFL from App State, it certainly is not, "just as easily" as those playing in the SEC.

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Re: Keep Joey 2024 - NIL

Unread post by Appmountaineers19 » Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:33 pm

T-Dog wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:27 pm
AppSt94 wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 1:57 pm
T-Dog wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 1:51 pm
This is depressing. BGP spent way too much time talking about this as well. I would rather talk about the Sun Belt Championship Game.
It really is. It’s just the nature of the beast though and a very poignant example of “careful what you wish for.”
It's not that. Players deserve all the money they can get.

It's about a multi-page discussion about something that doesn't matter 72 hours before a conference championship game. At least wait until Sunday before bringing this up.
I thought the same way as you at the beginning of the week but it's a very interesting topic and keeps my mind off this game (the week is going soooo slow)

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Re: Keep Joey 2024 - NIL

Unread post by 311neers » Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:35 pm

Goodness gracious. Duke Qb in the portal and he is a stud. This offseason is going to be a nightmare. I am happy we will have some consistency and guys that want to play ball and attend Appalachian State.

Imagine leaving a Duke education...whew.

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Re: Keep Joey 2024 - NIL

Unread post by Appmountaineers19 » Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:38 pm

311neers wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:26 pm
Appmountaineers19 wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:24 pm
I know we probably will never see the #'s but I do wonder how much money each team has for the NIL. The On3 evaluations make me laugh. Their evaluations are so speculative. Look at the deal tracker almost all the deals are undisclosed. Players can go verify themselves on the site and inflate the #'s in their favor. Maybe 10% of all athletes make over 750,000
Matt Rhule just said in an interview that a good QB costs $1.5-$2M in the portal. I dislike Matt Rhule for what he did to our Thers (really hate Tepper) but I do believe him here. That's NFL money to party your butt off in college and go to class a couple times a week.
A lot of that is coach talk. Most of these coaches despise the NIL and want it reigned in. Your value is what someone will pay you. The 1% might get that but most won't.

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Re: Keep Joey 2024 - NIL

Unread post by Appmountaineers19 » Wed Nov 29, 2023 5:02 pm

311neers wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:35 pm
Goodness gracious. Duke Qb in the portal and he is a stud. This offseason is going to be a nightmare. I am happy we will have some consistency and guys that want to play ball and attend Appalachian State.

Imagine leaving a Duke education...whew.
He got crystal balled on 247 to ND

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Re: Keep Joey 2024 - NIL

Unread post by WVAPPeer » Wed Nov 29, 2023 5:23 pm

To each his own - but man, I have seen several great college games this season - college football isn't going away. I don't really care if the really top programs -- Alabama, UGA, Texas, Michigan, etc., pay players whatever because they always got the best players anyway - I don't see it really hurting the App State, Tulane, Boise, Troy programs of the G5 world - we might lose a few but we will get others. Where I see it hitting hard are the mid to lower level P4s - the WVUs, Duke, Mich St, Arkansas, Kansas, Ga Tech, etc. -
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Re: Keep Joey 2024 - NIL

Unread post by Pikapp79 » Wed Nov 29, 2023 5:46 pm

Sending hard earned to a college kid you don’t know is ridiculous. Those doing so need to step back and consider better use for their dollars.

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Re: Keep Joey 2024 - NIL

Unread post by appdaze » Wed Nov 29, 2023 5:57 pm

Pikapp79 wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 5:46 pm
Sending hard earned to a college kid you don’t know is ridiculous. Those doing so need to step back and consider better use for their dollars.
Agreed. I will donate to scholarships, building projects, academic research, etc...but I will never donate to anything NIL-related.

While I am all for students being able to earn money like the labor that they are in a capitalist economy, I do not plan on paying someone's salary with my salary. I already pay taxes.

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Re: Keep Joey 2024 - NIL

Unread post by goapps93 » Wed Nov 29, 2023 6:14 pm

311neers wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:35 pm
Goodness gracious. Duke Qb in the portal and he is a stud. This offseason is going to be a nightmare. I am happy we will have some consistency and guys that want to play ball and attend Appalachian State.

Imagine leaving a Duke education...whew.
Not at all surprised at that. Will probably end up in College Station with Elko.
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Re: Keep Joey 2024 - NIL

Unread post by bcoach » Wed Nov 29, 2023 6:15 pm

Here is a very honest question. How were schools making money off of players Name, Image, or likeness? Specific examples would be helpful. Again not trying to be a smart a$$ just an honest question.

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Re: Keep Joey 2024 - NIL

Unread post by goapps93 » Wed Nov 29, 2023 6:17 pm

bcoach wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 6:15 pm
Here is a very honest question. How were schools making money off of players Name, Image, or likeness? Specific examples would be helpful. Again not trying to be a smart a$$ just an honest question.
Saw a lot of #14 jerseys in Kidd Brewer Saturday, that's one way. I think its more that the athletes were not allowed to make money than the schools making money. At least NIL is not dollars coming from one place to another. Its new money. Well, until fans start sending money to NIL Collectives instead of scholarship funding entities.
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Re: Keep Joey 2024 - NIL

Unread post by Cro-Magnon App » Wed Nov 29, 2023 6:21 pm

True. The NFL teams will find you if you are good enough. It’s always been that way, even before the combines. Nine of the eleven members of the Steel Curtain played for small “lower division” schools. Four are in the HOF and others were nominated. They were found in the days when communication of information was more difficult. (I read the book. 😁)

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