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Re: Cam Peoples
Exactly. Scouts are at every practice so they see drills and reps to assess those skills. The goal is to win the game. Not showcase skills for the next level. That stuff is done in practice for scouts upon request.
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Re: Cam Peoples
We threw some balls to Nate and Castle. I can’t help but think of how we used Evans in the screen game. We had some game breaking plays with him catching the ball in space. I just don’t think we had that skill set last year. Hopefully it will develop in the offseason.AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 8:29 amThe goal for our coaches should be to win games but if you got a NFL prospect and don't let scouts see them do it in games it can hurt. However, what you don't see is that scouts can request to see things at practice, an all-star game, NFL Combine, and pro day. At least in Cam's case the fact he was not used in the passing game was not the reason he was not drafted or kept on the team. Even if he had impressed in those other venues I still don't think he would have been drafted. I said when he left the team late in the year that it was the final nail in the coffin of him having a shot to get drafted.311neers wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2024 9:40 pmThis holds our RB’s back in the draft process IMO. NFL wants RB’s that can catch.ASUFan4863 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2024 7:53 pmI thought he would be as well. I get the mouths to feed point but a RB should be an easy mouth to feed through the passing game.311neers wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2024 7:08 pmThose guys were way too good in space to only average 1-1.5 catches per game. I know there are a lot of mouths for feed but a lot of teams are utilizing RB wheel routes now to get mismatches on LB’s or texas in’s/tunnel screens. WR or TE clears out safety on a seam and RB sneaks in behind for a wheel or a seam on an LB. Would love to see us utilize this if our RB’s are halfway athletic enough to catch a ball. Thought Haywood can be that guy to an extent.ASUFan4863 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2024 6:39 pmKanye’s stats are right in line with our typical lead back over the last decade when you consider he didn’t play much in a 1/3 of the games.
Darrynton Evans had 21 for 198 in 2019.
Jalen Moore had 12 for 163 in 2017.
Marcus Cox had 18 for 160 in 2015 and 16 for 180 in 2014.
Cox also had the monster season as a freshman with 43 catches for 559 yards in 2013 but that certainly seems like an anomaly.
I can’t speak to what exactly was different in Cox’s freshman season but it just seems like our scheme does not feature a pass catching RB even though we have capable guys. I wish it would honestly given our stable of backs. I think there is a lot of creativity and new schemes that could be added by using multiple RBs but our scheme has been successful and speaks for itself.
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Re: Cam Peoples
We did but I was more referring to Cam in particular. Noel was like Evans in that he was more twitchy and quicker with better lateral ability so I can see why Ponce would rather use them in that way. Cam was more straight line but I think he was not used in the passing game more for his lack of blocking than anything.Mjohn1988 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 9:13 amWe threw some balls to Nate and Castle. I can’t help but think of how we used Evans in the screen game. We had some game breaking plays with him catching the ball in space. I just don’t think we had that skill set last year. Hopefully it will develop in the offseason.AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 8:29 amThe goal for our coaches should be to win games but if you got a NFL prospect and don't let scouts see them do it in games it can hurt. However, what you don't see is that scouts can request to see things at practice, an all-star game, NFL Combine, and pro day. At least in Cam's case the fact he was not used in the passing game was not the reason he was not drafted or kept on the team. Even if he had impressed in those other venues I still don't think he would have been drafted. I said when he left the team late in the year that it was the final nail in the coffin of him having a shot to get drafted.311neers wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2024 9:40 pmThis holds our RB’s back in the draft process IMO. NFL wants RB’s that can catch.ASUFan4863 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2024 7:53 pmI thought he would be as well. I get the mouths to feed point but a RB should be an easy mouth to feed through the passing game.311neers wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2024 7:08 pm
Those guys were way too good in space to only average 1-1.5 catches per game. I know there are a lot of mouths for feed but a lot of teams are utilizing RB wheel routes now to get mismatches on LB’s or texas in’s/tunnel screens. WR or TE clears out safety on a seam and RB sneaks in behind for a wheel or a seam on an LB. Would love to see us utilize this if our RB’s are halfway athletic enough to catch a ball. Thought Haywood can be that guy to an extent.
I am like you hoping we will see this part of the offense used this year. I feel like Castle, Kanye, and I remember seeing Calhoun catch screens a few times in his high school highlights.
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Re: Cam Peoples
As my high school coach used to say.. "Just because a play is designed to go to somebody doesn't mean that somebody has the most important job!"
I say that to say maybe we aren't passing to the RBs for other reasons...
Maybe the o line isn't great at blocking for that as it usually takes a little longer to develop?
Maybe the RBs just aren't great route runners?
Maybe Chase and Joey aren't great at making that kind of throw?
Maybe it's all predicated off being set up with other plays that we don't have the right personnel to install yet?
Who knows other than the play callers as the reason to why. We certainly did it with Evans and Thomas a lot more than we do now with the same play callers so I don't think it's a coaching preference thing unless Satt demanded more of them to be called than Clark does.. or Clark vetoes them more than Satt did...
I say that to say maybe we aren't passing to the RBs for other reasons...
Maybe the o line isn't great at blocking for that as it usually takes a little longer to develop?
Maybe the RBs just aren't great route runners?
Maybe Chase and Joey aren't great at making that kind of throw?
Maybe it's all predicated off being set up with other plays that we don't have the right personnel to install yet?
Who knows other than the play callers as the reason to why. We certainly did it with Evans and Thomas a lot more than we do now with the same play callers so I don't think it's a coaching preference thing unless Satt demanded more of them to be called than Clark does.. or Clark vetoes them more than Satt did...
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Re: Cam Peoples
A lot of that can factor into it for sure. Someone just mentioned about the fact perhaps we don't recruit players who can do it and I brought up the fact that we mainly avoided using Cam in passing situations and I believe that as on Cam. I would like to see us throw to backs out of the backfield more than we have but we have done it some.704App wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 1:43 pmAs my high school coach used to say.. "Just because a play is designed to go to somebody doesn't mean that somebody has the most important job!"
I say that to say maybe we aren't passing to the RBs for other reasons...
Maybe the o line isn't great at blocking for that as it usually takes a little longer to develop?
Maybe the RBs just aren't great route runners?
Maybe Chase and Joey aren't great at making that kind of throw?
Maybe it's all predicated off being set up with other plays that we don't have the right personnel to install yet?
Who knows other than the play callers as the reason to why. We certainly did it with Evans and Thomas a lot more than we do now with the same play callers so I don't think it's a coaching preference thing unless Satt demanded more of them to be called than Clark does.. or Clark vetoes them more than Satt did...
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Re: Cam Peoples
They come every year for sure. The NFL traffic will be lighter this year early on than the past couple years for fall camp and first few weeks of season. This class is the lightest we have had in a while in terms of overall numbers of legit prospects and the fact we don't have anyone who is considered a draft pick this early in a while. Traffic could increase if Aguilar, Robinson, or Hughes were to have a real hot start to the season. I will be interested to see if Collins, Fletcher, Clarke, Farmer, Horn or Wilson were to have a hot start and begin to get some buzz. Wilson is one I could see having a similar year to what Pearson had as a senior.
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If the draft was tomorrow I have a hard time thinking Joey and Kaedin aren’t day 3 guys. Joey especially.AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 4:42 pmThey come every year for sure. The NFL traffic will be lighter this year early on than the past couple years for fall camp and first few weeks of season. This class is the lightest we have had in a while in terms of overall numbers of legit prospects and the fact we don't have anyone who is considered a draft pick this early in a while. Traffic could increase if Aguilar, Robinson, or Hughes were to have a real hot start to the season. I will be interested to see if Collins, Fletcher, Clarke, Farmer, Horn or Wilson were to have a hot start and begin to get some buzz. Wilson is one I could see having a similar year to what Pearson had as a senior.
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They could certainly play their way into like I mentioned but I don't think they are considered that high up right now. I hope we have such a good year that both end up playing their way into it.TomA415 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 1:52 pmIf the draft was tomorrow I have a hard time thinking Joey and Kaedin aren’t day 3 guys. Joey especially.AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 4:42 pmThey come every year for sure. The NFL traffic will be lighter this year early on than the past couple years for fall camp and first few weeks of season. This class is the lightest we have had in a while in terms of overall numbers of legit prospects and the fact we don't have anyone who is considered a draft pick this early in a while. Traffic could increase if Aguilar, Robinson, or Hughes were to have a real hot start to the season. I will be interested to see if Collins, Fletcher, Clarke, Farmer, Horn or Wilson were to have a hot start and begin to get some buzz. Wilson is one I could see having a similar year to what Pearson had as a senior.
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Re: Cam Peoples
I think the world of Joey Dimes and hope he surpasses last year passing, rushing, TDs, etc. However, he is not listed on many publications as a top 25 college QB for the 2024 season. I am not seeing him getting drafted as of today...now... if he shines at Clemson...carries that into the regular season....we get NY6 invite or CFP invite...and he shines in that game....he may get drafted...Do I think the ratings are correct, no ..but people that make decisions do as of today.
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Re: Cam Peoples
Getting back to the original topic, Cam posted a new video.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8sA1KXu ... d4MndxM2hz
Basically, Cam says he got a concussion in a fender bender before Texas State and hurt his hip vs Marshall, but he was always a "game time decision" and wasn't allowed to travel to Statesboro for the last game while other injured players were.
I've long thought the program plays games with injury reports.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8sA1KXu ... d4MndxM2hz
Basically, Cam says he got a concussion in a fender bender before Texas State and hurt his hip vs Marshall, but he was always a "game time decision" and wasn't allowed to travel to Statesboro for the last game while other injured players were.
I've long thought the program plays games with injury reports.
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Re: Cam Peoples
Yes. Cam got into a minor traffic accident the week of Texas St. As for the statement about traveling, his statement needs context as to who specifically was injured and allowed to travel. The rules limit travel parties so there must have been valid reasons for those to go and to leave him at home.
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Everyone plays games with injury reports now. I don't like it, but that's the way it is.T-Dog wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 10:46 pmGetting back to the original topic, Cam posted a new video.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8sA1KXu ... d4MndxM2hz
Basically, Cam says he got a concussion in a fender bender before Texas State and hurt his hip vs Marshall, but he was always a "game time decision" and wasn't allowed to travel to Statesboro for the last game while other injured players were.
I've long thought the program plays games with injury reports.
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Just wait until a donor gives a kid $500k of NIL and they sit a game out vs a bad opponent so they don’t risk injury/effect draft stock.JTApps1 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 11:31 amEveryone plays games with injury reports now. I don't like it, but that's the way it is.T-Dog wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 10:46 pmGetting back to the original topic, Cam posted a new video.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8sA1KXu ... d4MndxM2hz
Basically, Cam says he got a concussion in a fender bender before Texas State and hurt his hip vs Marshall, but he was always a "game time decision" and wasn't allowed to travel to Statesboro for the last game while other injured players were.
I've long thought the program plays games with injury reports.
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Re: Cam Peoples
They aren’t going to release injury info for a few reasons. Michael Hughes was injured the first 4 games and was a game time decision for the bowl game.
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I think too much injury info is given now. There is zero benefit to telling it. Sure, we like to hear it to know what to expect but I think there is a benefit to keeping the opposing team guessing. We should not tell any injury info publicly except to say a player is out for the rest of the season when it is obvious but no reason to tell about minor injuries.
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Wait until a NIL program gives a G5 kid 250k to sit the playoff game against their P4 program. Hes probably transferring the next year anyway.311neers wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 11:50 amJust wait until a donor gives a kid $500k of NIL and they sit a game out vs a bad opponent so they don’t risk injury/effect draft stock.JTApps1 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 11:31 amEveryone plays games with injury reports now. I don't like it, but that's the way it is.T-Dog wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 10:46 pmGetting back to the original topic, Cam posted a new video.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8sA1KXu ... d4MndxM2hz
Basically, Cam says he got a concussion in a fender bender before Texas State and hurt his hip vs Marshall, but he was always a "game time decision" and wasn't allowed to travel to Statesboro for the last game while other injured players were.
I've long thought the program plays games with injury reports.
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Re: Cam Peoples
AgreeAppStFan1 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 3:23 pmI think too much injury info is given now. There is zero benefit to telling it. Sure, we like to hear it to know what to expect but I think there is a benefit to keeping the opposing team guessing. We should not tell any injury info publicly except to say a player is out for the rest of the season is it is obvious but no reason to tell about minor injuries.