Judge says JuCo years don't count vs NCAA eligibility - Aguilar, K-Rob returning?

[AppDawg]

Future ruling of the NCAA or whoever.

2 years of JuCo with NIL $$$
4 years of college with NIL $$
THEN as many years as they want to play at said college as long as the NIL money is flowing to them.

When will the madness stop!! College sports will be 100% over for sure, because it's getting pretty damn close now.

There ain't no money in JuCo. There aren't very many JuCos even left, and even fewer have football.

This may be the very lifeline Junior Colleges need… every SEC school is about to invest in a JUCO development program. All Freshmen and Sophomore’s must go through.

The days of true fresh/Sophs being on campus are coming to an end. The future rosters on the D1 team will be 3rd year Freshmen (today’s Juniors) through 26 year old Seniors.

[t4pizza]

Yes, I would like both KRob and Joey back next year. I would be very interested to see what skills a new OC and Head Coach with NFL offense background could develop in Joey. Truthfully, he didn't have the best year and most would agree he regressed, new coach might work wonders for him. I would much rather have him on the roster than not. As for KRob, what a great opportunity to heal, recover and prove to the NFL that the repaired knee is as good as gold (black and gold that is).

[MrCraig]

Future ruling of the NCAA or whoever.

2 years of JuCo with NIL $$$
4 years of college with NIL $$
THEN as many years as they want to play at said college as long as the NIL money is flowing to them.

When will the madness stop!! College sports will be 100% over for sure, because it's getting pretty damn close now.

There ain't no money in JuCo. There aren't very many JuCos even left, and even fewer have football.

This may be the very lifeline Junior Colleges need… every SEC school is about to invest in a JUCO development program. All Freshmen and Sophomore’s must go through.

The days of true fresh/Sophs being on campus are coming to an end. The future rosters on the D1 team will be 3rd year Freshmen (today’s Juniors) through 26 year old Seniors.

Why would the SEC do that? If they wanted to create a development program, they could just go back to having JV squads and all play against each other. That would be cheaper and bring money into the school from tickets and concessions. I'm pretty sure most of the SEC and Big 10 is content to let G5s be their development league.

[AppDawg]

Future ruling of the NCAA or whoever.

2 years of JuCo with NIL $$$
4 years of college with NIL $$
THEN as many years as they want to play at said college as long as the NIL money is flowing to them.

When will the madness stop!! College sports will be 100% over for sure, because it's getting pretty damn close now.

There ain't no money in JuCo. There aren't very many JuCos even left, and even fewer have football.

This may be the very lifeline Junior Colleges need… every SEC school is about to invest in a JUCO development program. All Freshmen and Sophomore’s must go through.

The days of true fresh/Sophs being on campus are coming to an end. The future rosters on the D1 team will be 3rd year Freshmen (today’s Juniors) through 26 year old Seniors.

Why would the SEC do that? If they wanted to create a development program, they could just go back to having JV squads and all play against each other. That would be cheaper and bring money into the school from tickets and concessions. I'm pretty sure most of the SEC and Big 10 is content to let G5s be their development league.

They would do it because relying on G5 players they lose eligibility. Same with a reincarnation of JV/freshmen teams… JUCO now provides something neither the other do —> no eligibility is exhausted. Preserve the 4-year clock. 2 free years to get bigger, stronger, faster.

[ASUTodd]

Future ruling of the NCAA or whoever.

2 years of JuCo with NIL $$$
4 years of college with NIL $$
THEN as many years as they want to play at said college as long as the NIL money is flowing to them.

When will the madness stop!! College sports will be 100% over for sure, because it's getting pretty damn close now.

There ain't no money in JuCo. There aren't very many JuCos even left, and even fewer have football.

This may be the very lifeline Junior Colleges need… every SEC school is about to invest in a JUCO development program. All Freshmen and Sophomore’s must go through.

The days of true fresh/Sophs being on campus are coming to an end. The future rosters on the D1 team will be 3rd year Freshmen (today’s Juniors) through 26 year old Seniors.

Why would the SEC do that? If they wanted to create a development program, they could just go back to having JV squads and all play against each other. That would be cheaper and bring money into the school from tickets and concessions. I'm pretty sure most of the SEC and Big 10 is content to let G5s be their development league.

They would do it because relying on G5 players they lose eligibility. Same with a reincarnation of JV/freshmen teams… JUCO now provides something neither the other do —> no eligibility is exhausted. Preserve the 4-year clock. 2 free years to get bigger, stronger, faster.

JUCO's would probably welcome the influx of funds as well....

[AppState89]

There ain't no money in JuCo. There aren't very many JuCos even left, and even fewer have football.

This may be the very lifeline Junior Colleges need… every SEC school is about to invest in a JUCO development program. All Freshmen and Sophomore’s must go through.

The days of true fresh/Sophs being on campus are coming to an end. The future rosters on the D1 team will be 3rd year Freshmen (today’s Juniors) through 26 year old Seniors.

Why would the SEC do that? If they wanted to create a development program, they could just go back to having JV squads and all play against each other. That would be cheaper and bring money into the school from tickets and concessions. I'm pretty sure most of the SEC and Big 10 is content to let G5s be their development league.

They would do it because relying on G5 players they lose eligibility. Same with a reincarnation of JV/freshmen teams… JUCO now provides something neither the other do —> no eligibility is exhausted. Preserve the 4-year clock. 2 free years to get bigger, stronger, faster.

JUCO's would probably welcome the influx of funds as well....

Yes they would. Be almost like the old days with a lot of South Carolina football players went to Lees McRay then transferred to South Carolina. You will come into a 4 year college with 2 years of experience playing against top competition. Which means, the JuCo player of the past will have to go to FCS, but most likely D2 or D3 schools now. The SEC and BIG 10 will dominate the JuCo programs using it to sharpen the skills of the true freshmen. Like I said above, when will the madness stop????

[ASUFan4863]

The JUCO thing is just a temporary injunction for Diego Pavia only right now. While there will likely be a lawsuit more broader soon, I don’t think the NCAA is going to go down without a fight to just allow additional years of eligibility.

[NattyBumppo'sRevenge]

The JUCO thing is just a temporary injunction for Diego Pavia only right now. While there will likely be a lawsuit more broader soon, I don’t think the NCAA is going to go down without a fight to just allow additional years of eligibility.

UNC destroyed any fight the NCAA had left. They’ve been going down without a fight on every issue since, hence what we have now with the transfer portal and NIL.

[t4pizza]

The JUCO thing is just a temporary injunction for Diego Pavia only right now. While there will likely be a lawsuit more broader soon, I don’t think the NCAA is going to go down without a fight to just allow additional years of eligibility.

This ruling is limited to Pavia only because it is based on his lawsuit against the NCAA. This is not a ruling on the merits of the case, that will come at a later time but most likely after the season starts. Hence the injunctive relief by the Judge. He found that Pavia's lawyers made a convincing enough argument to him that there was likely success on the merits of the lawsuit and there would be harm to Pavia if he was not granted injunctive relief. Despite winning this injunctive relief hearing, it is still very possible that Pavia loses the lawsuit on the merits down the road.

Since this is a limited injunctive relief aimed only at Pavia from a trial court, it has no precedential value to other trial judges (it can be persuasive but they don't have to follow it). As such, this is not the law of the land like when the Supremes rule on something. If other former JUCO players want to be treated this way, they will have to sue the NCAA and get some injunctive relief as well. I assume we will see a class action brought by former JUCO players to gain more eligibility. Joey and others that would qualify and may be interested should get on the phone with Pavia's lawyers and get the ball rolling. Other Judges handling future cases by former JUCOs will not be tied to this Judge's ruling and can deny injunctive relief. I am not sure they would but they could. As I stated in November when this story first broke, this thing might have legs. It makes no sense to treat JUCO athletes different than those that attend prep school or an academy, therefore the rule is arbitrary.

[t4pizza]

The JUCO thing is just a temporary injunction for Diego Pavia only right now. While there will likely be a lawsuit more broader soon, I don’t think the NCAA is going to go down without a fight to just allow additional years of eligibility.

UNC destroyed any fight the NCAA had left. They’ve been going down without a fight on every issue since, hence what we have now with the transfer portal and NIL.

It wasn't UNC, it was the Supreme Court ruling that that NCAA football was a monopoly and violated anti-trust laws. That ruling alone has gutted any authority of the NCAA and led to all these court rulings in the past few years.

[MountainMan2020]

The JUCO thing is just a temporary injunction for Diego Pavia only right now. While there will likely be a lawsuit more broader soon, I don’t think the NCAA is going to go down without a fight to just allow additional years of eligibility.

UNC destroyed any fight the NCAA had left. They’ve been going down without a fight on every issue since, hence what we have now with the transfer portal and NIL.

It wasn't UNC, it was the Supreme Court ruling that that NCAA football was a monopoly and violated anti-trust laws. That ruling alone has gutted any authority of the NCAA and led to all these court rulings in the past few years.

If UNC wasn’t THE reason, they own the distinction of being a major catalyst to the current state. The inability to impose sanctions against UNC made it plainly obvious the rules were unenforceable, and also there is zero ability for the NCAA or member institutions to argue the value of a scholarship/education when athletes were systemically steered to bogus classes over a 20 year period to benefit their athletics program.

[Pikapp79]

At some point, some higher power is gonna have to step and tell all these players to get a damn job like the rest of the ppl who graduate college.

They have one if people send in NIL dough. Fund a guy to attend college. What a concept.

[MrCraig]

Someone with more law knowledge riddle me this. *IF* they say the NCAA can’t enforce eligibility requirements, couldn’t the individual schools or conferences? The NCAA’s biggest problem is they’re a governing body with no real ability to govern or enforce rules. But couldn’t the SEC/Big 10/etc. be their own entities and set their own rules?

[AppStFan1]

So if JuCo no longer counts against eligibility:

2 years JuCo
4 years NCAA

I’m sensing a new way for players who have a bad first year to get some experience before getting back into the portal.

Yes and they will go JUCO to prevent themselves from using a year. We are going to have a bunch of 25-26 year olds in college football. If you redshirt, play 2-3 years JUCO, and then 4 years on the field in the NCAA you could spend 8 years in college and that is not counting a medical redshirt and those who have the COVID year right now. Do we really want players in college for almost a decade? This is going to create a back log and cause many players to be under recruited even more coming out of HS.

[spacemonkey]

I'm really good with neither coming back.

[Bigdaddyg1]

It’s not good when fans of a particular program have to wish, hope and pray that certain guys keep coming back. I am starting to think that the Covid year really jacked up a lot of teams. It seemed great at the time but the younger guys in high school didn’t just quit trying. I think that a college athlete (use the term loosely) should get 5 years max to play a sport. Redshirting as a freshman was (I thought) intended to allow for a young person to get used to college particularly on the academic side. Since this is really not the intent anymore particularly in football just build in the extra year. It’s certainly tough when some athletes suffer multiple injuries but to continually add another year of eligibility is ridiculous. Once we reached this point of having 25 year olds playing college sports it became a problem.

[AppWyo]

It’s not good when fans of a particular program have to wish, hope and pray that certain guys keep coming back. I am starting to think that the Covid year really jacked up a lot of teams. It seemed great at the time but the younger guys in high school didn’t just quit trying. I think that a college athlete (use the term loosely) should get 5 years max to play a sport. Redshirting as a freshman was (I thought) intended to allow for a young person to get used to college particularly on the academic side. Since this is really not the intent anymore particularly in football just build in the extra year. It’s certainly tough when some athletes suffer multiple injuries but to continually add another year of eligibility is ridiculous. Once we reached this point of having 25 year olds playing college sports it became a problem.

No one should stay in a marriage that does not work.

[ASUTodd]

It’s not good when fans of a particular program have to wish, hope and pray that certain guys keep coming back. I am starting to think that the Covid year really jacked up a lot of teams. It seemed great at the time but the younger guys in high school didn’t just quit trying. I think that a college athlete (use the term loosely) should get 5 years max to play a sport. Redshirting as a freshman was (I thought) intended to allow for a young person to get used to college particularly on the academic side. Since this is really not the intent anymore particularly in football just build in the extra year. It’s certainly tough when some athletes suffer multiple injuries but to continually add another year of eligibility is ridiculous. Once we reached this point of having 25 year olds playing college sports it became a problem.

No one should stay in a marriage that does not work.

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