Staff Reductions Coming To ADs

[AppStFan1]

I think that we have decision-makers that operate with a great deal more tangible knowledge of the situation than someone that only pays attention to the sources that they value and draws conclusions and thought based on supposition. Gillin or any AD doesn’t have the time or inclination to entertain every suggestion from Joe fan and donors. I’m not going to assume that any idea that I give Gillin is being ignored if it isn’t implemented in the manner that I have decided it needs to be done. Maybe it wasn’t a good idea based on factors that I wasn’t aware of.

Exactly. Nothing more we can do. There are people paid a lot of money to find solutions to all this stuff and that is their job, not ours.

But let's throw Sh#t at the wall out of ignorance and suggest that assistant basketball coaches should be cut..

Staff cuts are happening at schools ready and just saying that you might cut an assistant coach of a sport is not throwing stuff against the wall. There are schools like SFA cutting multiple sports so for some regional schools to cut a coach here or there or lower size of support staff could become a reality.

The epitome of ignorance and "throwing sh#t at the wall" is when someone (you in this case) are completely ignorant to the responsibilities of an assistant coach...and then suggesting that the athletic department cut 1 or 2.

I know what they do and because of that I know that you don't have to have 6 of them. You need to take a few minutes and go count the coaches at schools. Just because South Carolina has 6 does not mean you need 6. Go look at the coaching staffs of schools like Johnson C Smith and Elon. Both of them just have 4 total coaches. So If I am ignorant and don't know jack then why are there schools with the very numbers I am talking about?

As AppSt89 said, the easiest solution is cutting all athletics but nobody wants to do that. I remember how people cried about losing men's soccer and now I don't know anyone who really cares.

Also, how familiar are you with Nebraska-Omaha football and former AD Trev Alberts? People called him an idiot when he said he would drop football and wrestling but in the end he looked brilliant and ended up going to Nebraska and now is one of highest paid ADs in the nation at Texas A&M. I'm not suggesting we cut football but I am saying that sometimes outside the box things have to be done.

Here is a link talking about it: https://www.cornnation.com/2021/7/19/22 ... -wrestling

Maybe it is time we start talking about what we can't live without and get rid of the rest. A lot of these agents, lawyers, and athletes who just have a hand out will have a true FAFO moment and wish they could go back in time.

Maybe everyone should go with the D3 model of non-scholarship and make all athletes get in the school academically and just do away with NIL. The product would not be as good but it would fix all financial issues.

[BambooRdApp]

Exactly. Nothing more we can do. There are people paid a lot of money to find solutions to all this stuff and that is their job, not ours.

But let's throw Sh#t at the wall out of ignorance and suggest that assistant basketball coaches should be cut..

Staff cuts are happening at schools ready and just saying that you might cut an assistant coach of a sport is not throwing stuff against the wall. There are schools like SFA cutting multiple sports so for some regional schools to cut a coach here or there or lower size of support staff could become a reality.

The epitome of ignorance and "throwing sh#t at the wall" is when someone (you in this case) are completely ignorant to the responsibilities of an assistant coach...and then suggesting that the athletic department cut 1 or 2.

I know what they do and because of that I know that you don't have to have 6 of them. You need to take a few minutes and go count the coaches at schools. Just because South Carolina has 6 does not mean you need 6. Go look at the coaching staffs of schools like Johnson C Smith and Elon. Both of them just have 4 total coaches. So If I am ignorant and don't know jack then why are there schools with the very numbers I am talking about?

As AppSt89 said, the easiest solution is cutting all athletics but nobody wants to do that. I remember how people cried about losing men's soccer and now I don't know anyone who really cares.

Also, how familiar are you with Nebraska-Omaha football and former AD Trev Alberts? People called him an idiot when he said he would drop football and wrestling but in the end he looked brilliant and ended up going to Nebraska and now is one of highest paid ADs in the nation at Texas A&M. I'm not suggesting we cut football but I am saying that sometimes outside the box things have to be done.

Here is a link talking about it: https://www.cornnation.com/2021/7/19/22 ... -wrestling

Maybe it is time we start talking about what we can't live without and get rid of the rest. A lot of these agents, lawyers, and athletes who just have a hand out will have a true FAFO moment and wish they could go back in time.

Maybe everyone should go with the D3 model of non-scholarship and make all athletes get in the school academically and just do away with NIL. The product would not be as good but it would fix all financial issues.

Sure. You know what they do on a daily basis.

[AppStFan1]

But let's throw Sh#t at the wall out of ignorance and suggest that assistant basketball coaches should be cut..

Staff cuts are happening at schools ready and just saying that you might cut an assistant coach of a sport is not throwing stuff against the wall. There are schools like SFA cutting multiple sports so for some regional schools to cut a coach here or there or lower size of support staff could become a reality.

The epitome of ignorance and "throwing sh#t at the wall" is when someone (you in this case) are completely ignorant to the responsibilities of an assistant coach...and then suggesting that the athletic department cut 1 or 2.

I know what they do and because of that I know that you don't have to have 6 of them. You need to take a few minutes and go count the coaches at schools. Just because South Carolina has 6 does not mean you need 6. Go look at the coaching staffs of schools like Johnson C Smith and Elon. Both of them just have 4 total coaches. So If I am ignorant and don't know jack then why are there schools with the very numbers I am talking about?

As AppSt89 said, the easiest solution is cutting all athletics but nobody wants to do that. I remember how people cried about losing men's soccer and now I don't know anyone who really cares.

Also, how familiar are you with Nebraska-Omaha football and former AD Trev Alberts? People called him an idiot when he said he would drop football and wrestling but in the end he looked brilliant and ended up going to Nebraska and now is one of highest paid ADs in the nation at Texas A&M. I'm not suggesting we cut football but I am saying that sometimes outside the box things have to be done.

Here is a link talking about it: https://www.cornnation.com/2021/7/19/22 ... -wrestling

Maybe it is time we start talking about what we can't live without and get rid of the rest. A lot of these agents, lawyers, and athletes who just have a hand out will have a true FAFO moment and wish they could go back in time.

Maybe everyone should go with the D3 model of non-scholarship and make all athletes get in the school academically and just do away with NIL. The product would not be as good but it would fix all financial issues.

Sure. You know what they do on a daily basis.

I know what coaches do in general and I know that support staffs and coaching staffs aren't the same everywhere. Many schools have just 4 women's basketball coaches, instead of 6. If each of the 6 are so crucial then why do many schools have less? Just because App does it one way does not make it the only way to do it or the best way to do it. Go check out school staff sizes for D1, D2, and D3 schools in North Carolina and you would see they vary.

[BambooRdApp]

Staff cuts are happening at schools ready and just saying that you might cut an assistant coach of a sport is not throwing stuff against the wall. There are schools like SFA cutting multiple sports so for some regional schools to cut a coach here or there or lower size of support staff could become a reality.

The epitome of ignorance and "throwing sh#t at the wall" is when someone (you in this case) are completely ignorant to the responsibilities of an assistant coach...and then suggesting that the athletic department cut 1 or 2.

I know what they do and because of that I know that you don't have to have 6 of them. You need to take a few minutes and go count the coaches at schools. Just because South Carolina has 6 does not mean you need 6. Go look at the coaching staffs of schools like Johnson C Smith and Elon. Both of them just have 4 total coaches. So If I am ignorant and don't know jack then why are there schools with the very numbers I am talking about?

As AppSt89 said, the easiest solution is cutting all athletics but nobody wants to do that. I remember how people cried about losing men's soccer and now I don't know anyone who really cares.

Also, how familiar are you with Nebraska-Omaha football and former AD Trev Alberts? People called him an idiot when he said he would drop football and wrestling but in the end he looked brilliant and ended up going to Nebraska and now is one of highest paid ADs in the nation at Texas A&M. I'm not suggesting we cut football but I am saying that sometimes outside the box things have to be done.

Here is a link talking about it: https://www.cornnation.com/2021/7/19/22 ... -wrestling

Maybe it is time we start talking about what we can't live without and get rid of the rest. A lot of these agents, lawyers, and athletes who just have a hand out will have a true FAFO moment and wish they could go back in time.

Maybe everyone should go with the D3 model of non-scholarship and make all athletes get in the school academically and just do away with NIL. The product would not be as good but it would fix all financial issues.

Sure. You know what they do on a daily basis.

I know what coaches do in general and I know that support staffs and coaching staffs aren't the same everywhere. Many schools have just 4 women's basketball coaches, instead of 6. If each of the 6 are so crucial then why do many schools have less? Just because App does it one way does not make it the only way to do it or the best way to do it. Go check out school staff sizes for D1, D2, and D3 schools in North Carolina and you would see they vary.

Thanks for confirming that you have absolutely no idea what the assistant basketball coaches at App. St. do on a daily basis...but somehow qualified out of ignorance to terminate a few.

[AppStFan1]

The epitome of ignorance and "throwing sh#t at the wall" is when someone (you in this case) are completely ignorant to the responsibilities of an assistant coach...and then suggesting that the athletic department cut 1 or 2.

I know what they do and because of that I know that you don't have to have 6 of them. You need to take a few minutes and go count the coaches at schools. Just because South Carolina has 6 does not mean you need 6. Go look at the coaching staffs of schools like Johnson C Smith and Elon. Both of them just have 4 total coaches. So If I am ignorant and don't know jack then why are there schools with the very numbers I am talking about?

As AppSt89 said, the easiest solution is cutting all athletics but nobody wants to do that. I remember how people cried about losing men's soccer and now I don't know anyone who really cares.

Also, how familiar are you with Nebraska-Omaha football and former AD Trev Alberts? People called him an idiot when he said he would drop football and wrestling but in the end he looked brilliant and ended up going to Nebraska and now is one of highest paid ADs in the nation at Texas A&M. I'm not suggesting we cut football but I am saying that sometimes outside the box things have to be done.

Here is a link talking about it: https://www.cornnation.com/2021/7/19/22 ... -wrestling

Maybe it is time we start talking about what we can't live without and get rid of the rest. A lot of these agents, lawyers, and athletes who just have a hand out will have a true FAFO moment and wish they could go back in time.

Maybe everyone should go with the D3 model of non-scholarship and make all athletes get in the school academically and just do away with NIL. The product would not be as good but it would fix all financial issues.

Sure. You know what they do on a daily basis.

I know what coaches do in general and I know that support staffs and coaching staffs aren't the same everywhere. Many schools have just 4 women's basketball coaches, instead of 6. If each of the 6 are so crucial then why do many schools have less? Just because App does it one way does not make it the only way to do it or the best way to do it. Go check out school staff sizes for D1, D2, and D3 schools in North Carolina and you would see they vary.

Thanks for confirming that you have absolutely no idea what the assistant basketball coaches at App. St. do on a daily basis...but somehow qualified out of ignorance to terminate a few.

I love how you pick apart one sentence I said and ignore all the other stuff. I know what basketball coaches do and my whole point is that other schools have smaller staffs so we don't have to have 6 coaches. If other D1 schools can have 4 then we can. I am just saying if they can do it fine then we can as well. You are defending having 6 like it is imperative and the program would fail with less. We would obviously have to cut more than just a few coaches though.

[bcoach]

The solution is to cut athletics, but no one wants to say that part out loud. Instead, they want to keep pretending that there is some way to run a department and pay a staff all while bringing in significantly less than we spend, and there is, on the backs of donors who have been told to shut up and send money for years, and who many on this board like to disparage because they aren't giving enough, or on the backs of students who aren't given a choice. It's a bad business model and it's unsustainable.

I'm with you, but students are given a choice. They CHOSE to go to App where they have to pay an athletics fee. They signed the paper that said that was part of their tuition. They did choose it.

But, the other parts, 100% in agreement. But, did you see the uproar when we did cut some programs? It's a lose/lose situation unfortunately and will never make everyone happy. IMO, the D3 model does it right. But, it's also not as entertaining.

Actually they did not chose it. It was forced upon them in order to get the education they wanted. If it was optional then you could say they chose it. As far as D3 100%.

[704App]

The solution is to cut athletics, but no one wants to say that part out loud. Instead, they want to keep pretending that there is some way to run a department and pay a staff all while bringing in significantly less than we spend, and there is, on the backs of donors who have been told to shut up and send money for years, and who many on this board like to disparage because they aren't giving enough, or on the backs of students who aren't given a choice. It's a bad business model and it's unsustainable.

I'm with you, but students are given a choice. They CHOSE to go to App where they have to pay an athletics fee. They signed the paper that said that was part of their tuition. They did choose it.

But, the other parts, 100% in agreement. But, did you see the uproar when we did cut some programs? It's a lose/lose situation unfortunately and will never make everyone happy. IMO, the D3 model does it right. But, it's also not as entertaining.

Actually they did not chose it. It was forced upon them in order to get the education they wanted. If it was optional then you could say they chose it. As far as D3 100%.

So they were forced to attend App? That's crazy. I knew the state was struggling, but I didn't know to the point they are forcing students to attend certain schools. It's a wild world we live in these days.

[BambooRdApp]

I know what they do and because of that I know that you don't have to have 6 of them. You need to take a few minutes and go count the coaches at schools. Just because South Carolina has 6 does not mean you need 6. Go look at the coaching staffs of schools like Johnson C Smith and Elon. Both of them just have 4 total coaches. So If I am ignorant and don't know jack then why are there schools with the very numbers I am talking about?

As AppSt89 said, the easiest solution is cutting all athletics but nobody wants to do that. I remember how people cried about losing men's soccer and now I don't know anyone who really cares.

Also, how familiar are you with Nebraska-Omaha football and former AD Trev Alberts? People called him an idiot when he said he would drop football and wrestling but in the end he looked brilliant and ended up going to Nebraska and now is one of highest paid ADs in the nation at Texas A&M. I'm not suggesting we cut football but I am saying that sometimes outside the box things have to be done.

Here is a link talking about it: https://www.cornnation.com/2021/7/19/22 ... -wrestling

Maybe it is time we start talking about what we can't live without and get rid of the rest. A lot of these agents, lawyers, and athletes who just have a hand out will have a true FAFO moment and wish they could go back in time.

Maybe everyone should go with the D3 model of non-scholarship and make all athletes get in the school academically and just do away with NIL. The product would not be as good but it would fix all financial issues.

Sure. You know what they do on a daily basis.

I know what coaches do in general and I know that support staffs and coaching staffs aren't the same everywhere. Many schools have just 4 women's basketball coaches, instead of 6. If each of the 6 are so crucial then why do many schools have less? Just because App does it one way does not make it the only way to do it or the best way to do it. Go check out school staff sizes for D1, D2, and D3 schools in North Carolina and you would see they vary.

Thanks for confirming that you have absolutely no idea what the assistant basketball coaches at App. St. do on a daily basis...but somehow qualified out of ignorance to terminate a few.

I love how you pick apart one sentence I said and ignore all the other stuff. I know what basketball coaches do and my whole point is that other schools have smaller staffs so we don't have to have 6 coaches. If other D1 schools can have 4 then we can. I am just saying if they can do it fine then we can as well. You are defending having 6 like it is imperative and the program would fail with less. We would obviously have to cut more than just a few coaches though.

I am not defending anything. I was not the person of ignorance suggesting to eliminate positions or adding positions when I do not live in the athletic department. I actually have some sense of intelligence. I would never suggest adding or eliminating positions when I have not walked the hallways of the basketball program.

[AppStFan1]

Sure. You know what they do on a daily basis.

I know what coaches do in general and I know that support staffs and coaching staffs aren't the same everywhere. Many schools have just 4 women's basketball coaches, instead of 6. If each of the 6 are so crucial then why do many schools have less? Just because App does it one way does not make it the only way to do it or the best way to do it. Go check out school staff sizes for D1, D2, and D3 schools in North Carolina and you would see they vary.

Thanks for confirming that you have absolutely no idea what the assistant basketball coaches at App. St. do on a daily basis...but somehow qualified out of ignorance to terminate a few.

I love how you pick apart one sentence I said and ignore all the other stuff. I know what basketball coaches do and my whole point is that other schools have smaller staffs so we don't have to have 6 coaches. If other D1 schools can have 4 then we can. I am just saying if they can do it fine then we can as well. You are defending having 6 like it is imperative and the program would fail with less. We would obviously have to cut more than just a few coaches though.

I am not defending anything. I was not the person of ignorance suggesting to eliminate positions or adding positions when I do not live in the athletic department. I actually have some sense of intelligence. I would never suggest adding or eliminating positions when I have not walked the hallways of the basketball program.

I guess no AD should ever cut a position or sport unless they have been a coach in that sport now? Trev Albert cut wrestling and it was not like he was a wrestling coach.

I said I don't know what all that our specific coaches do daily but I know what basketball coaches do. When other schools have less coaches in that sport then it means we could as well. That is not ignorant but simply observing how others do it and saying we could do like those schools.

[BambooRdApp]

I know what coaches do in general and I know that support staffs and coaching staffs aren't the same everywhere. Many schools have just 4 women's basketball coaches, instead of 6. If each of the 6 are so crucial then why do many schools have less? Just because App does it one way does not make it the only way to do it or the best way to do it. Go check out school staff sizes for D1, D2, and D3 schools in North Carolina and you would see they vary.

Thanks for confirming that you have absolutely no idea what the assistant basketball coaches at App. St. do on a daily basis...but somehow qualified out of ignorance to terminate a few.

I love how you pick apart one sentence I said and ignore all the other stuff. I know what basketball coaches do and my whole point is that other schools have smaller staffs so we don't have to have 6 coaches. If other D1 schools can have 4 then we can. I am just saying if they can do it fine then we can as well. You are defending having 6 like it is imperative and the program would fail with less. We would obviously have to cut more than just a few coaches though.

I am not defending anything. I was not the person of ignorance suggesting to eliminate positions or adding positions when I do not live in the athletic department. I actually have some sense of intelligence. I would never suggest adding or eliminating positions when I have not walked the hallways of the basketball program.

I guess no AD should ever cut a position or sport unless they have been a coach in that sport now? Trev Albert cut wrestling and it was not like he was a wrestling coach.

I said I don't know what all that our specific coaches do daily but I know what basketball coaches do. When other schools have less coaches in that sport then it means we could as well. That is not ignorant but simply observing how others do it and saying we could do like those schools.

Trev Albert was the AD walking the hallways and involved deeply into the sports program....not some yo-yo on a message board who has never walked the hallways of the App. St. basketball program. You are not Trev Alberts. I am sure you are not going to that inference and the reason why...but that is okay.

[bcoach]

The solution is to cut athletics, but no one wants to say that part out loud. Instead, they want to keep pretending that there is some way to run a department and pay a staff all while bringing in significantly less than we spend, and there is, on the backs of donors who have been told to shut up and send money for years, and who many on this board like to disparage because they aren't giving enough, or on the backs of students who aren't given a choice. It's a bad business model and it's unsustainable.

I'm with you, but students are given a choice. They CHOSE to go to App where they have to pay an athletics fee. They signed the paper that said that was part of their tuition. They did choose it.

But, the other parts, 100% in agreement. But, did you see the uproar when we did cut some programs? It's a lose/lose situation unfortunately and will never make everyone happy. IMO, the D3 model does it right. But, it's also not as entertaining.

Actually they did not chose it. It was forced upon them in order to get the education they wanted. If it was optional then you could say they chose it. As far as D3 100%.

So they were forced to attend App? That's crazy. I knew the state was struggling, but I didn't know to the point they are forcing students to attend certain schools. It's a wild world we live in these days.

Ok let me talk real slow. They chose APP for an education and a fee that is unrelated to education was forced on them. Go show this to mom or dad and they can explain.

[311neers]

Happy 4th. Have a beer. Or some devils lettuce. Or none of it.
Go Apps!

[AppfaninCAALand]

There is a lot of bloat in athletic departments and a lot of the bloat is with support staff. For example, look at the 9 schools my daughter talked to for field hockey. I'm using that as an example because it is a low profile sport that generate no money for the university. 2 schools (1 ACC, 1 BigTen) had dedicated S&C coaches working with the field hockey team ONLY, 4 schools (1 ACC, 3 SBC playing FH in the MAC and Big East respectively) had an S&C trainer working with FH and 1 other sport - either softball or wlax (one spring and one fall sport), while the other 3 (CAA w/ FCS football, A1-10 no foorball, and Big East non-football) had S&C coaches shared with 2 other womens sports.

It seems to me since the number of athletes is the same in each case, and since some S&C coaches are working with 3 or more teams, then they all could and the dedicated FH S&C is clearly overkill (but those two schools are among the richest ADs in the country and before NIL concerns needed to spend their money somewhere). Now, looking to tighten their belts, I sure that sort of thing is where they will look.

I mention the conference and football because you see a pattern - the bigger the football, the bigger the bloat in other sports.

[704App]

The solution is to cut athletics, but no one wants to say that part out loud. Instead, they want to keep pretending that there is some way to run a department and pay a staff all while bringing in significantly less than we spend, and there is, on the backs of donors who have been told to shut up and send money for years, and who many on this board like to disparage because they aren't giving enough, or on the backs of students who aren't given a choice. It's a bad business model and it's unsustainable.

I'm with you, but students are given a choice. They CHOSE to go to App where they have to pay an athletics fee. They signed the paper that said that was part of their tuition. They did choose it.

But, the other parts, 100% in agreement. But, did you see the uproar when we did cut some programs? It's a lose/lose situation unfortunately and will never make everyone happy. IMO, the D3 model does it right. But, it's also not as entertaining.

Actually they did not chose it. It was forced upon them in order to get the education they wanted. If it was optional then you could say they chose it. As far as D3 100%.

So they were forced to attend App? That's crazy. I knew the state was struggling, but I didn't know to the point they are forcing students to attend certain schools. It's a wild world we live in these days.

Ok let me talk real slow. They chose APP for an education and a fee that is unrelated to education was forced on them. Go show this to mom or dad and they can explain.

That fee was clearly outlined before they CHOSE App for an education. If that is a deciding factor, they could say no. It's not like they hide the fees. It's clear as day. Have 2 kids there. It was as bold and prevalent as the room and board fees when they signed the papers.

If App offered a degree you can't get anywhere else, I might see your point. But, its a choice to attend the University and pay the student athletic fees. Just like it's a choice to attend the University and pay the AppalCart fees that Boone residents get to use without paying the fees. It's almost like, it's a choice thats agreed upon as soon as you agree to attend the University... WILD!

They could have chose to go to another University that doesn't have athletic fees. But they didn't. They CHOSE to attend a University that has athletic fees that were clearly outlined before they agreed to attend. It's not a hidden fee or anything.

[AppStFan1]

Sure. You know what they do on a daily basis.

I know what coaches do in general and I know that support staffs and coaching staffs aren't the same everywhere. Many schools have just 4 women's basketball coaches, instead of 6. If each of the 6 are so crucial then why do many schools have less? Just because App does it one way does not make it the only way to do it or the best way to do it. Go check out school staff sizes for D1, D2, and D3 schools in North Carolina and you would see they vary.

Thanks for confirming that you have absolutely no idea what the assistant basketball coaches at App. St. do on a daily basis...but somehow qualified out of ignorance to terminate a few.

I love how you pick apart one sentence I said and ignore all the other stuff. I know what basketball coaches do and my whole point is that other schools have smaller staffs so we don't have to have 6 coaches. If other D1 schools can have 4 then we can. I am just saying if they can do it fine then we can as well. You are defending having 6 like it is imperative and the program would fail with less. We would obviously have to cut more than just a few coaches though.

I am not defending anything. I was not the person of ignorance suggesting to eliminate positions or adding positions when I do not live in the athletic department. I actually have some sense of intelligence. I would never suggest adding or eliminating positions when I have not walked the hallways of the basketball program.

ADs make decisions all the time on budgets when they have not actually walked in the hallways of that sport as a coach. I was simply stating that if other D1 schools have less coaches that we could get by with less. You don't have to walk in the hallways to observe the numbers that other schools have and realize you could work with the same amount of coaches.

I looked around at staff pages of other schools and ours. For example, Kerns had 4 people listed as a coach and Martin as director or recruiting and Fey director of basketball operations before adding assistant coach to their duties. I think that is a good use to have those guys doing multiple roles, which some of you think is crazy to ask when it is already being done. That is nothing new because that has been going on for a long time in athletics. Did you know there are schools who have one person coach more than one sport? That stuff sounds crazy to you but it is not.

Our women's basketball team has 5 coaches with two of them doing a coaching role and something off the court. I just don't see why we need someone doing community relations for that sport when we should have a couple people doing that for all of athletics instead of someone for just one.

On the other hand, we have sports like women's golf with just one coach and it should be that way for any non-revenue sport. It is not as crucial to be a national powerhouse in those sports as it is for football, men's basketball, and some extent baseball.

[AppStFan1]

There is a lot of bloat in athletic departments and a lot of the bloat is with support staff. For example, look at the 9 schools my daughter talked to for field hockey. I'm using that as an example because it is a low profile sport that generate no money for the university. 2 schools (1 ACC, 1 BigTen) had dedicated S&C coaches working with the field hockey team ONLY, 4 schools (1 ACC, 3 SBC playing FH in the MAC and Big East respectively) had an S&C trainer working with FH and 1 other sport - either softball or wlax (one spring and one fall sport), while the other 3 (CAA w/ FCS football, A1-10 no foorball, and Big East non-football) had S&C coaches shared with 2 other womens sports.

It seems to me since the number of athletes is the same in each case, and since some S&C coaches are working with 3 or more teams, then they all could and the dedicated FH S&C is clearly overkill (but those two schools are among the richest ADs in the country and before NIL concerns needed to spend their money somewhere). Now, looking to tighten their belts, I sure that sort of thing is where they will look.

I mention the conference and football because you see a pattern - the bigger the football, the bigger the bloat in other sports.

100%. Even if pretty bare bones in those other sports I can guarantee that ADs will look at them to tighten their belts a little before they will look to do so with football, even if they have a big staff.

[AppState222]

The benefit to adding 'coach' to the titles of the basketball staffs is that it allows them to be on the court and touch the ball during practice. The NCAA rule changed how many 'coaches' you were allowed to have. Prior to that, I'm pretty sure even having Fey or Martin rebounding during practices was 'a violation'. Or something like that. Maybe not quite that extreme, but it was something really dumb. I wouldnt look too deep into the number of people with coach in their title as a fair description of duties. Also, some teams want to have as many support staff as possible listed on their roster pages, because it makes them look better in the eyes of recruits to be able to say 'look how many coaches we have, look how many people are going to work to support you'.