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[AppStFan1]

Anecdotal, but he's not engaging during Mountaineer Walk. My kids no longer break from the tailgate to watch it. For years they would stop everything to make sure they got to participate in that.

That is not shocking. I wish he would but I am not going to call for his job because he does not do it. That is just his personality.

Don’t read more than is written. Your jump to conclusions mat should stay in the closet.

I am not jumping to any conclusion? I am just saying that does not shock me is all.

[AppStFan1]

Again. that makes zero sense in relation to what I was speaking about. Is there a comment where I was worshiping someone? Some of yall are itching for a fight so bad you pick one where it’s not warranted. Appstatefan1 has been a big DLO advocate. I’m busting his chops a bit and he’s responding in kind. I actually respect his responses. These other drive by’s are useless

I am being an advocate for being fair to him is all. It is too early to know if he will get us where we want to be and I don't want other coaches to see us make snap decisions and then avoid us. We want to be a place that coaches want to use as a stepping stone. Drink had his big year in year 4 at Missouri. It would not shock me if Loggains is going to need 3-4 years.

I respect your position and optimism. I’m not not there with him yet. I hope he changes my mind

He has definitely made some decisions I question but that is always going to happen with a first-year head coach. I think you need to see how his high school recruiting class looks, what we do in the portal, what staff changes he makes, and see how Loggains evolves from year 1 to year 2. There is a buyout to consider and we don't want to scare future potential head coaches off. I just think those who are mad he won't approach them or that he closed the building and practices off more than some self-entitled boosters or media like is not a fair reason to critique him. If we can beat Arkansas State and win a bowl game then we would certainly have some good momentum entering the signing day and the portal.

I don't really have an issue with Coach Loggains as and HC. Yes it is a new position and he is learning g a bit as he goes, but I like how he has approached it so far other than the fact that he insists on being the OC. I truly hope he considers hiring a dedicated OC next year.

I get why he would not want to give it up. He has done it so long and it is something he loves to do. There are some head coaches who call the plays so it can work but that is not always the case. I will be curious to see if he hires someone this off-season. Rumors are that he has recently been told to but I guess we will see.

[AppStFan1]

Anecdotal, but he's not engaging during Mountaineer Walk. My kids no longer break from the tailgate to watch it. For years they would stop everything to make sure they got to participate in that.

That is not shocking. I wish he would but I am not going to call for his job because he does not do it. That is just his personality.

Don’t read more than is written. Your jump to conclusions mat should stay in the closet.

Now you’ve done it. You made Saint and I see eye to eye.

No one is calling for his job because of the on field product. And yes, you need to trust the process. However, there are instances where situations occur that make one question the hire being the right fit. Everyone has good and bad qualities. Sometimes you can tolerate the bad because of the good. That goes for coaches as well as over zealous donors. I don’t expect DLo to walk up to me with my favorite drink in hand and hit on me. But when you rely on the generosity of others to fund your program then you have to put forth some proactive effort to press the flesh.

Are there other things that are going on behind the scenes that are cause for concern? Absolutely. Are there things going on behind the scenes that resemble some of the same stuff that went on last year? Apparently so. And yes, just like you can fire an alum with an overall winning % over .500 and get someone to take the job, there are ways to remove a coach after one year without firing them and someone else will take the job.

I get your point but if we were 10-1 nobody would be pointing that out. The Patriots had a toxic environment but people called it the Patriot Way because they were winning. I kept reading people here and on 247 complain of lack of coach continuity as to why the offense would struggle and we should let this play out. If we are worse or no better in year 3 then we should consider a change.

[Saint3333]

Anecdotal, but he's not engaging during Mountaineer Walk. My kids no longer break from the tailgate to watch it. For years they would stop everything to make sure they got to participate in that.

That is not shocking. I wish he would but I am not going to call for his job because he does not do it. That is just his personality.

Don’t read more than is written. Your jump to conclusions mat should stay in the closet.

I am not jumping to any conclusion? I am just saying that does not shock me is all.

Freudian slip on the question mark here.

[AppSt94]

Anecdotal, but he's not engaging during Mountaineer Walk. My kids no longer break from the tailgate to watch it. For years they would stop everything to make sure they got to participate in that.

That is not shocking. I wish he would but I am not going to call for his job because he does not do it. That is just his personality.

Don’t read more than is written. Your jump to conclusions mat should stay in the closet.

Now you’ve done it. You made Saint and I see eye to eye.

No one is calling for his job because of the on field product. And yes, you need to trust the process. However, there are instances where situations occur that make one question the hire being the right fit. Everyone has good and bad qualities. Sometimes you can tolerate the bad because of the good. That goes for coaches as well as over zealous donors. I don’t expect DLo to walk up to me with my favorite drink in hand and hit on me. But when you rely on the generosity of others to fund your program then you have to put forth some proactive effort to press the flesh.

Are there other things that are going on behind the scenes that are cause for concern? Absolutely. Are there things going on behind the scenes that resemble some of the same stuff that went on last year? Apparently so. And yes, just like you can fire an alum with an overall winning % over .500 and get someone to take the job, there are ways to remove a coach after one year without firing them and someone else will take the job.

I get your point but if we were 10-1 nobody would be pointing that out. The Patriots had a toxic environment but people called it the Patriot Way because they were winning. I kept reading people here and on 247 complain of lack of coach continuity as to why the offense would struggle and we should let this play out. If we are worse or no better in year 3 then we should consider a change.

So the argument against keeping last years staff was that it won’t get better under their watch. So you are willing to wait and see if this staff can do it? I understand the point and agree to an extent. But if those in charge can see that it’s a bad fit, then why wait? Again, you are looking at it from a wins and losses standpoint alone. Thats what fans do. And I do agree that he has had only 11 months. But we don’t have the luxury of seeing behind the curtain everyday. If we were 10-1 then that would mean that we were executing better and we were fortunate with injuries. And yes, folks would tolerate the bad because of the good. But going 10-1 against one of the softest schedules in CFB isn’t a flex. Going 5-6 against it with “96 years of NFL experience” seems meh.

You enjoy comparing things to the NFL. This isn’t the NFL. It’s college football. You can take elements of the NFL operation and incorporate them, but you can’t have a sustainable model that replicates the NFL. Especially at this level.

[T-Dog]

Not the point of your post, but mountaineer talk is on Tuesday this week.

Yeah they announced it after I posted. Adam Witten drives up from the Triad for that. Seems like something they could have announced back in August because we all knew when Thanksgiving was.

[ASUFan4863]

That is not shocking. I wish he would but I am not going to call for his job because he does not do it. That is just his personality.

Don’t read more than is written. Your jump to conclusions mat should stay in the closet.

Now you’ve done it. You made Saint and I see eye to eye.

No one is calling for his job because of the on field product. And yes, you need to trust the process. However, there are instances where situations occur that make one question the hire being the right fit. Everyone has good and bad qualities. Sometimes you can tolerate the bad because of the good. That goes for coaches as well as over zealous donors. I don’t expect DLo to walk up to me with my favorite drink in hand and hit on me. But when you rely on the generosity of others to fund your program then you have to put forth some proactive effort to press the flesh.

Are there other things that are going on behind the scenes that are cause for concern? Absolutely. Are there things going on behind the scenes that resemble some of the same stuff that went on last year? Apparently so. And yes, just like you can fire an alum with an overall winning % over .500 and get someone to take the job, there are ways to remove a coach after one year without firing them and someone else will take the job.

I get your point but if we were 10-1 nobody would be pointing that out. The Patriots had a toxic environment but people called it the Patriot Way because they were winning. I kept reading people here and on 247 complain of lack of coach continuity as to why the offense would struggle and we should let this play out. If we are worse or no better in year 3 then we should consider a change.

So the argument against keeping last years staff was that it won’t get better under their watch. So you are willing to wait and see if this staff can do it? I understand the point and agree to an extent. But if those in charge can see that it’s a bad fit, then why wait? Again, you are looking at it from a wins and losses standpoint alone. Thats what fans do. And I do agree that he has had only 11 months. But we don’t have the luxury of seeing behind the curtain everyday. If we were 10-1 then that would mean that we were executing better and we were fortunate with injuries. And yes, folks would tolerate the bad because of the good. But going 10-1 against one of the softest schedules in CFB isn’t a flex. Going 5-6 against it with “96 years of NFL experience” seems meh.

You enjoy comparing things to the NFL. This isn’t the NFL. It’s college football. You can take elements of the NFL operation and incorporate them, but you can’t have a sustainable model that replicates the NFL. Especially at this level.

The argument against last years staff was that they were in year 5 and the program has cratered under their watch. This staff is in year 1 with an abbreviated offseason and is producing the exact same results with less continuity and less playing experience. Don’t you think that proves in of itself that a change was necessary?

Are you publicly advocating for another firing because you believe he isn’t a good fit because he doesn’t make drinking buddies like Clark did?

[Seattleapp]

The argument against last years staff was that they were in year 5 and the program has cratered under their watch. This staff is in year 1 with an abbreviated offseason and is producing the exact same results with less continuity and less playing experience. Don’t you think that proves in of itself that a change was necessary? Are you publicly advocating for another firing because you believe he isn’t a good fit because he doesn’t make drinking buddies like Clark did?

One could also point out that we are an abjectly bad football team this year under DLO. Everyone is pointing to the Marshall game as some breakthrough moment with this staff, but Marshall out gained us by like 175 yards and turned it over 3 times. It wasn’t like the lightbulb went off and we kicked their ass. Our guys get all the credit for being opportunistic and winning but I’d argue they won despite the coaching getting in the way. Everyone is really hoping DLO brings in some amazing class and suddenly learns to be an in game coach, but that is still up for debate. And you throw in him seeming like he wants to be somewhere else all the time and that makes for a nervous fan base. Like others have said, if we are in James Madison’s shoes right now folks will just shrug at a coaches personality. But we haven’t been good all season and if the guy who’s steering that ship is not too interested in his fan base it’s not a good look.

[Saint3333]

The 2024 team beats the 2025 team by a score maybe more. That says more about the Jimmy and Joes than Xs and Os though.