We need a good offensive coordinator

[CoachRob]

I’m not sure I buy the idea that DL is a bad play caller.

My issue is with our QB play. In my 25+ years watching App St football, that was the worst QB room we’ve had, relative to our competition. It was a huge red flag we didn’t have a starter named/known until the first snap of the season. For the record, I was hoping our starter was going to be Wilson for Game 1.

I have no idea what we will do at QB now, but DL has to be scrambling. If I were him, I’m taking a long look at the FCS level for a proven winner/starter that we can lure away with our NIL that FCS levels can’t compete with.

I'm going to agree with this. I can not point to a specific moment where DLo did a horrible job in play calling this year. However, I can point to specific moments when certain players didn't execute.

With the loss of a couple key OL early combined with poor QB play, I thought offense was somewhat limited in it's ability and DLo did well with what he had. Especially when Dubinion & Cummings got hurt, play calling became very difficult to what playbook looked like at the start of the year.

So all season Loggains called flawless games and it was 100% on the players for any failures? Doesn’t that also fall on coaching if players aren’t executing? It’s ok to say Loggains was on the job training, saying he did a great job, but the players failed him all season seems like not the best take either when it’s his team

Does any coach call a flawless game? Or any player play a perfect game? If you find either, you have found the National Champion.

I do not find it reasonable to put most blame for the players not executing on the coach in his 1st year. It takes a while to change bad habits. (Not saying previous staff created bad habits, just pointing out changes take time). There needs to be a period of grace before blame can be given.

I can specifically pin point moments where player's did not execute directly leading to a lose. Where are the specific moments where DLo lost us a game with his play calling???

Go back and read through the game threads, there are many examples of objective bad play calls made during the game. Asking for specific ones months afterwards is a difficult ask as we tend to forget things. But I know that during the games, the board would light up when he made bad calls. Not saying the reactions were always appropriate, but it will give you plenty of the examples that you seek.

Yes, I'm sure a bunch of arm chair QBs expressing their subjective opinions in play calling with their displeasure when things didn't go Apps way in the heat of the moment are great examples of "objectively bad play calling" to support ones argument.

[Mjohn1988]

Haven’t read the entire thread. Someone may have already asked this question. Do we have a position and the money to hire an OC?

[ASUFan4863]

Haven’t read the entire thread. Someone may have already asked this question. Do we have a position and the money to hire an OC?

Probably not considering we are already moving money around the entire athletic program as is.

[ASUFan4863]

The short answer is there’s always money. The long answer is how do you allocate it. For an athletic department already running lean and penny pinching, I don’t know how we have both a dedicated ST coordinator and a dedicated OC.

[Stonewall]

Hire the guy at Watauga.

[Bootsy]

Hire the guy at Watauga.

It’s not a bad idea. And the guy already has housing, so that overcomes a key obstacle to coaching for App.

[Saint3333]

If we drop four less balls at certain times in the season this tread would be half as long.

[spacemonkey]

If we drop four less balls at certain times in the season this tread would be half as long.

Isnt that the truth. I dont think the play calling was a problem this year.

[CornCobPipes]

We need EVVaahReeThing!

[AppWyo]

If we drop four less balls at certain times in the season this tread would be half as long.

Isnt that the truth. I dont think the play calling was a problem this year.

Is that not the truth? The turnovers at key points during the games are what really cost us this season.

[NattyBumppo'sRevenge]

If we drop four less balls at certain times in the season this tread would be half as long.

Isnt that the truth. I dont think the play calling was a problem this year.

Is that not the truth? The turnovers at key points during the games are what really cost us this season.

My main criticism of playcalling is not running the ball down team’s throats that weren’t able to stop our run, especially in the bowl game when we had no passers.

[BambooRdApp]

If we drop four less balls at certain times in the season this tread would be half as long.

Isnt that the truth. I dont think the play calling was a problem this year.

Is that not the truth? The turnovers at key points during the games are what really cost us this season.

My main criticism of playcalling is not running the ball down team’s throats that weren’t able to stop our run, especially in the bowl game when we had no passers.

Combination of both in my opinion. Play calling at times (out thinking yourself as OC) and execution at other times.

[mike87]

To me it's just the commons sense that you need a guy in the booth calling the plays. You can't spot weakness from the sideline when you are also doing head coach duties. Having a Jr assistant up there isn't the same. Needs to be the guy with eyes on.

[WVAPPeer]

Watching Coach Saban discussing duel role as the Head Coach. He said a few years ago he had to take over the DC job. He said it was extremely difficult to do both. He had done it before but he found it really hampered his role as the Head Coach because he had to spend so much time keeping the D in order.

[NattyBumppo'sRevenge]

Watching Coach Saban discussing duel role as the Head Coach. He said a few years ago he had to take over the DC job. He said it was extremely difficult to do both. He had done it before but he found it really hampered his role as the Head Coach because he had to spend so much time keeping the D in order.

He obviously doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

[Apptiger]

Yes passes were dropped and interceptions thrown but the coaches job is to get the players ready to play and call plays the kids can have success running. The situational play calling was suspect and a lot of the passes were thrown in spots that if the defense was playing inside leverage, all they had to do was step inside and it's a pick. Hard o tell if it's bad play calling or bad QB reads sometimes.

I didn't notice linemen pulling that much, trap plays, counters and misdirection seem pretty non existent in the run game. We are horrible at RPO, it's either run or pass. Didn't notice what we used to call isolation blocking either, where a back follows a pulling lineman or lead back into a hole on off tackle runs (to take out the linebacker or if the safety crashing). We also seem pretty bad at telegraphing plays as the defense seems to know what we are running on nearly every play. Also, we don't seem to take what the defense is giving and try to force our stuff on them.

Yes, we need an OC.

[T-Dog]

I don't know why Riley Watkins is listed as the QB/WR coach when I've never seen him coach either. Every time the QB needed coaching, it was Associate Head Coach Clyde Christensen. I know Riley has been involved big time in recruiting.

Also, never heard of the Tight End's coach being in the booth before this season. And then the RB coach disappeared right at the end of the season and the original WR coach was fired during last Spring Practice. And a first-time head coach trying to call plays from the field who always wanted to call a pass play after a big run to get in or near the red zone.

Point is, the offense wasn't set up for success by the coaching or the coaching structure.

[ASUFan4863]

The RB coach wasn’t retained because his contract expired. He didn’t just disappear into the ether.