Bowl Season

[WASU 93]

So it's the coaches fault the schools are making money hand over fist to be able to afford a higher salary? It's not like Kirby went to UGA and said "You are required to hire me because I say so!" UGA employees Kirby to navigate the college athletics environment and win games.

The blame is not on the coaches, or University's, at this point. They also do not like it. What's a coach/program supposed to do? Shut the program down and put his players in a bad spot? No, he has to continue doing his job -- that's what he was hired to do. And he has to do it with any challenges presented -- whether you agree with said challenges are not. Because if Kirby doesn't do that job, somebody else will.

And for every one Kirby in the college athletics world, there are 20 no names living on $5k a year actually navigating the crappy waters. Those are the ones I am referring to about keeping roofs over heads and food in families mouths.

Same thing anybody has to deal with in any career. I doubt any of us like 100% of policy's in our careers.

The blame is 100% on NCAA being money hungry.

$5k per year? Who is only making $5k per year?

The schools are making money hand over fist, but it’s the NCAA who is money hungry and 100% to blame? I don’t understand.

The NCAA is made up of the schools. It’s not some third-party organization.

In reality, the SEC and Big Ten are football cartels. As is the case with cartels, the rich will get richer and the poor will get shit upon.

Remember, NCAA covers more than P5 sports....

FCS, D2, D3 are all impacted by these rules too. Some of those head coaches aren't even 6 figures. Those support staffs budgets are under 50k.

So, yes, $5k a year is the norm for support staff at those places. I believe it was Napier at Louisiana that had something like 40 support staff under his belt but his budget wasn't a whole lot more than ours and his assistants were making close the same as ours. Those 40 support staff are earning next to nothing but will continue to do it to make a name for themselves in the tiny industry. Now, they're making significantly more at Florida. But, they may not have a job soon if Napier gets fired, so they HAVE to play by these dumb rules whether they like them or not if they want to remain a college football coach as their career path.

Even at App some support staff are around $5k.

And as far as it not being the University's fault -- I am talking about the transfer portal rules, NIL, etc. That is all NCAA. They created 100% of the mess as a way for NCAA to make more money. And now the schools and coaches have to navigate the changes to stay afloat. They may not want to, but it's the only option if they want to stay relevant.

Athletes and courts have created the NIL and portal issues. I think something needed to be done to allow athletes to make money from the use of their name, image, and likeness, but it has already gotten out of control and become a monster that will ruin college sports, all college sports.

How does the NCAA make more money because of NIL and transfers? It is a non-profit organization made up of and governed by member institutions.

Courts created the need to allow for NIL. NCAA's poor implementation of the NIL is doing nothing but making NCAA more money.

Free agency is one of the leading money makers for pro sports in terms of media attention, advertising dollars, sponsorships, etc. NCAA is now getting that revenue it never was before.

The NCAA didn't want to be sued, so they decided to do nothing in regards to regulating the NIL, hoping the the state or national legislatures would set the standards for NIL income.

[NattyBumppo'sRevenge]

$5k per year? Who is only making $5k per year?

The schools are making money hand over fist, but it’s the NCAA who is money hungry and 100% to blame? I don’t understand.

The NCAA is made up of the schools. It’s not some third-party organization.

In reality, the SEC and Big Ten are football cartels. As is the case with cartels, the rich will get richer and the poor will get shit upon.

Remember, NCAA covers more than P5 sports....

FCS, D2, D3 are all impacted by these rules too. Some of those head coaches aren't even 6 figures. Those support staffs budgets are under 50k.

So, yes, $5k a year is the norm for support staff at those places. I believe it was Napier at Louisiana that had something like 40 support staff under his belt but his budget wasn't a whole lot more than ours and his assistants were making close the same as ours. Those 40 support staff are earning next to nothing but will continue to do it to make a name for themselves in the tiny industry. Now, they're making significantly more at Florida. But, they may not have a job soon if Napier gets fired, so they HAVE to play by these dumb rules whether they like them or not if they want to remain a college football coach as their career path.

Even at App some support staff are around $5k.

And as far as it not being the University's fault -- I am talking about the transfer portal rules, NIL, etc. That is all NCAA. They created 100% of the mess as a way for NCAA to make more money. And now the schools and coaches have to navigate the changes to stay afloat. They may not want to, but it's the only option if they want to stay relevant.

Athletes and courts have created the NIL and portal issues. I think something needed to be done to allow athletes to make money from the use of their name, image, and likeness, but it has already gotten out of control and become a monster that will ruin college sports, all college sports.

How does the NCAA make more money because of NIL and transfers? It is a non-profit organization made up of and governed by member institutions.

Courts created the need to allow for NIL. NCAA's poor implementation of the NIL is doing nothing but making NCAA more money.

Free agency is one of the leading money makers for pro sports in terms of media attention, advertising dollars, sponsorships, etc. NCAA is now getting that revenue it never was before.

The NCAA didn't want to be sued, so they decided to do nothing in regards to regulating the NIL, hoping the the state or national legislatures would set the standards for NIL income.

I blame it on UNC for when they got busted for the 30 plus years of fraud and the NCAA tried to punish them, UNC lawyered up and told them there was nothing they could do about it. That exposed the NCAA for having no true power over the member schools.

[Bigdaddyg1]

Not sure if it's been said but if Liberty gets curb stomped today that doesn't help the overall G5 cause for inclusion in the expanded playoff. Those 9-3 solid P5 teams will scream that even an unbeaten G5 is out of their league.

[Boonegoon]

Not sure if it's been said but if Liberty gets curb stomped today that doesn't help the overall G5 cause for inclusion in the expanded playoff. Those 9-3 solid P5 teams will scream that even an unbeaten G5 is out of their league.

I agree that the automatic bid for G5 is a bit of a reach. Not saying it that a G5 can’t be deserving but it’s definitely not a guarantee. I guess we’ll see if Liberty being the banner holder this year is laughable or not. But, G5 has won 1 bowl vs mediocre P5 teams this year.

[BambooRdApp]

Oregon by million...I hope

[Saint3333]

Hope they keep it close, but can’t pull for Chodewell.

[Goapps06]

Oregon by million...I hope

Curious as to rational for Oregon by a million?

[Bigdaddyg1]

Oregon by million...I hope

Curious as to rational for Oregon by a million?

Yeah I don't quite get that one. Hate/disdain for Chat and Liberty aside they are already pointing out the NY6 record for G5's and calling a Liberty win a "monumental upset". Maybe it's just me but I simply don't see a massive divide between a really good G5 and a good P5. Ultimately you simply have to exclude 6 or so semi pro P5's and then the next 15 or so teams (both P and G) are fairly close.

[BambooRdApp]

Oregon by million...I hope

Curious as to rational for Oregon by a million?

Well, The score a million more than the opponent.

[Stonewall]

Could have been JMU….

[NattyBumppo'sRevenge]

Oregon by million...I hope

Curious as to rational for Oregon by a million?

Liberty was already hated before the hated Chodewell started coaching there. Liberty, UNC and Coastal are teams that are hard to pull for even if it helps App.

[WVAPPeer]

I guess this will change - now it is the 6th highest ranked conference champions would get in, which in the past would mean one G5 = now with only 4 Power conferences, I expect that to get tweaked - I could see the possibility of 2 G5s getting if ranked high enough - BUT - if the P4s stop playing the stronger G5s how does a G5 get SOS???

[appstate24]

Didn’t realize Liberty’s QB was only a sophomore??

GO APPS!!

[Saint3333]

Could have been JMU….

JMU wasn’t the world beater ESPN tried to make them.

[Stonewall]

We knocked JMU out of the NY6 , or at a minimum, one could make that argument.

[AppStFan1]

Could have been JMU….

JMU wasn’t the world beater ESPN tried to make them.

Agreed. I think JMU was good but definitely not a top 20 team. I would say at full strength they are top 40. I think they beat Air Force if they did not have the coaching change though. I don't think many of their players played with same effort, some sat out, and they had to deal with coach transition.

[Tru2ASU]

Could have been JMU….

JMU wasn’t the world beater ESPN tried to make them.

Agreed. I think JMU was good but definitely not a top 20 team. I would say at full strength they are top 40 though. I will say that I think they beat Air Force if they did not have the coaching change. I don't think many of their players played with same effort, some sat out, and they had to deal with coach transition.

JMU beats them full strength. They hired to hire coaches off the street to help them prep for the bowl game.

[AppGrad78]

Dang, that color analyst for the Fiesta Bowl is way too silly.

[AppStFan1]

Could have been JMU….

JMU wasn’t the world beater ESPN tried to make them.

Agreed. I think JMU was good but definitely not a top 20 team. I would say at full strength they are top 40 though. I will say that I think they beat Air Force if they did not have the coaching change. I don't think many of their players played with same effort, some sat out, and they had to deal with coach transition.

JMU beats them full strength. They hired to hire coaches off the street to help them prep for the bowl game.

Glad you agree. I think some players not being focused on it played a small part but of those reasons I named I definitely think the coaching change was the biggest. Air Force disappointed me because early in the year they looked like they might be top 25-30 caliber but they completely fell apart.

[Boonegoon]

Oregon by million...I hope

Curious as to rational for Oregon by a million?

Liberty was already hated before the hated Chodewell started coaching there. Liberty, UNC and Coastal are teams that are hard to pull for even if it helps App.

Agreed, my disdain for Liberty is very long. I hope that Oregon blasts them back to FCS