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Re: Sloan

Unread post by ericsaid » Mon Sep 16, 2024 7:49 pm

DenverOfTheEast wrote:
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Sloan defense held ECU to 13 points - Joey gave up 6 on a dumb pass.

Sloan is fine!! A new secondary will come together - it takes time. -- these kids don't get exhibition and scrimmages to figure it out.

I'd be more worried about Joey's decision making than any other part of the team at this point.

#TeamClark
Joey is fine. I had an All-22 view from my seats. There weren’t a lot of “WTF” moments against ECU. Even the pick 6 pass wasn’t that bad, considering Stroman waved his arm, which to a QB, says I’m open. Joey throws that down and to the left and it’s probably a completion.

He made a ton of throws yesterday that other App QB’s would have struggled to make. Without him, that game is a loss.

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These offensive guys don’t get exhibition games.
Irrelevant -- comparing throws to past 1-AA QB's don't matter at that position as much as decision making. Chase Brice best arm of all time, Zac Thomas best leader, Taylor Lamb best decision maker, Armanti Edwards best athlete, Joey -- not sure yet....

He was a deer in headlights vs Clemson - he couldn't convert on 3rd down or move the chains to keep the defense off the field first two series. Just get a first down, probably calms that Tiger Storm.

2 INT's vs ECU - so you run a flee flicker to throw a 17 yard under thrown pass?? (WTF)

To whom much is given much is required!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He isn't new - he is returning SBC offensive player of year - he doesn't need the exhibitions like a new secondary does.
He was a deer in headlights at Clemson? Have you gone back and watched the game? The receivers were literally being climbed on, through, and over. Joey was forced to throw to guys who couldn't get off of their defender and Clemson only had to rush four to get pressure.
Ive watched the kid -- his first at Clemson was almost a pic 6 -- camera zooms in on his eyes and it was "oh Sh*t" look all over his face.

His decision making must be on point at all times in order for THIS team to win a SBC title.
Did you rewatch the game? Receivers could not get open at Clemson, period. PFF typically will generate stats that include separation by receivers and I believe I’d be backed up by this. Joey made the only decisions he could make in that game and that was to hope that the receivers could body the defender.

We sorely miss Milan Tucker, Nate Noel, and Davis. Their speed helped in P5 games because the bigger guys could not shake their defender. It won’t be good tape for Kaedin when the NFL is evaluating him.

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Re: Sloan

Unread post by ericsaid » Mon Sep 16, 2024 7:51 pm

311neers wrote:
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Four O line standing or not locking up a defender

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5 defenders rushing against 8 offensive players protecting pocket/QB. When half line is not engaged against a defender we let two guys come in hot against Joey so he had to unload early.

And there are 2 WRs against 6 defenders now.
This is because you give the appearance of a run play, or a screen, and to do that you have to let guys go, I'd guess.
We forgot to run the screen though. I've seen that play alot from other teams. Flea flicker to Rb or TE screen. Looks exactly like the images above. Solid 15-20 yard chunk plays, maybe more.
Joey came off the screen because it was covered and he tried to make a play. Stroman was open but Revel made the play you’d expect a future first round pick to make and got in front of him.

It wasn’t as bad of a throw as it seemed real time. The second interception was as good as a punt, in my opinion. He probably could’ve taken the underneath to Wilson but he had a trailing defender that may have undercut the route. Regardless, that was on 3rd down and the way App had been punting, the ball ended up at the 27 yard line anyway.

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Re: Sloan

Unread post by bcoach » Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:23 am

ericsaid wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 1:31 pm
bcoach wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 10:56 am
ericsaid wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 10:14 am
DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 9:56 am
Sloan defense held ECU to 13 points - Joey gave up 6 on a dumb pass.

Sloan is fine!! A new secondary will come together - it takes time. -- these kids don't get exhibition and scrimmages to figure it out.

I'd be more worried about Joey's decision making than any other part of the team at this point.

#TeamClark
Joey is fine. I had an All-22 view from my seats. There weren’t a lot of “WTF” moments against ECU. Even the pick 6 pass wasn’t that bad, considering Stroman waved his arm, which to a QB, says I’m open. Joey throws that down and to the left and it’s probably a completion.

He made a ton of throws yesterday that other App QB’s would have struggled to make. Without him, that game is a loss.

R-e-l-a-x

These offensive guys don’t get exhibition games.
But he didn't throw it down and to the left. I like him overall but he does make bad decisions.
Right, but from his view on the field, at that time, Revel wasn't in the picture. That play is why Revel is going to be a Top 32 draft pick, point blank. It was bad ball placement as much as anything else, and when you're being blitzed on 88% of your drop backs, decisions are bound to happen.

That and ECU covered the flea flicker better than I've seen any team cover it in a long time.
None of that changes the fact he makes some bad decisions and as far as that play he didn't put it where it needed to be.

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Re: Sloan

Unread post by ericsaid » Thu Sep 19, 2024 8:54 am

bcoach wrote:
Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:23 am
ericsaid wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 1:31 pm
bcoach wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 10:56 am
ericsaid wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 10:14 am
DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 9:56 am
Sloan defense held ECU to 13 points - Joey gave up 6 on a dumb pass.

Sloan is fine!! A new secondary will come together - it takes time. -- these kids don't get exhibition and scrimmages to figure it out.

I'd be more worried about Joey's decision making than any other part of the team at this point.

#TeamClark
Joey is fine. I had an All-22 view from my seats. There weren’t a lot of “WTF” moments against ECU. Even the pick 6 pass wasn’t that bad, considering Stroman waved his arm, which to a QB, says I’m open. Joey throws that down and to the left and it’s probably a completion.

He made a ton of throws yesterday that other App QB’s would have struggled to make. Without him, that game is a loss.

R-e-l-a-x

These offensive guys don’t get exhibition games.
But he didn't throw it down and to the left. I like him overall but he does make bad decisions.
Right, but from his view on the field, at that time, Revel wasn't in the picture. That play is why Revel is going to be a Top 32 draft pick, point blank. It was bad ball placement as much as anything else, and when you're being blitzed on 88% of your drop backs, decisions are bound to happen.

That and ECU covered the flea flicker better than I've seen any team cover it in a long time.
None of that changes the fact he makes some bad decisions and as far as that play he didn't put it where it needed to be.
Yet, he was the Sun Belt OPOY. You’re going to get that with the type of player Joey is. He is a bit of a caricature but I’m alright with that.

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Re: Sloan

Unread post by Bigdaddyg1 » Thu Sep 19, 2024 9:04 am

As long as the wow moments outweigh the what the hell moments it’s all good!

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Re: Sloan

Unread post by bcoach » Thu Sep 19, 2024 10:39 am

ericsaid wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2024 8:54 am
bcoach wrote:
Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:23 am
ericsaid wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 1:31 pm
bcoach wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 10:56 am
ericsaid wrote:
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Joey is fine. I had an All-22 view from my seats. There weren’t a lot of “WTF” moments against ECU. Even the pick 6 pass wasn’t that bad, considering Stroman waved his arm, which to a QB, says I’m open. Joey throws that down and to the left and it’s probably a completion.

He made a ton of throws yesterday that other App QB’s would have struggled to make. Without him, that game is a loss.

R-e-l-a-x

These offensive guys don’t get exhibition games.
But he didn't throw it down and to the left. I like him overall but he does make bad decisions.
Right, but from his view on the field, at that time, Revel wasn't in the picture. That play is why Revel is going to be a Top 32 draft pick, point blank. It was bad ball placement as much as anything else, and when you're being blitzed on 88% of your drop backs, decisions are bound to happen.

That and ECU covered the flea flicker better than I've seen any team cover it in a long time.
None of that changes the fact he makes some bad decisions and as far as that play he didn't put it where it needed to be.
Yet, he was the Sun Belt OPOY. You’re going to get that with the type of player Joey is. He is a bit of a caricature but I’m alright with that.
Never disputed that.

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