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What do we think about this?

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Re: What do we think about this?

Unread post by appgrad95&97 » Thu Sep 19, 2024 3:59 am

bcoach wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2024 7:32 pm
appgrad95&97 wrote:
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704App wrote:
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Oh I agree with that. But the way I understand it is that 10% is going to a collective -- not the athletic department, so it's not against the rules. I really don't know how you manage that either unless you outlaw collectives. But then you'll just get boosters that spend $150 a year to have an LLC for the sole purpose of NIL.

I don't disagree is dumb and ruining college sports. But that does not make my reasoning why it's happening false either. That is precisely the difference between an athlete and an academic scholarship recipient.
That's been my point the entire time. There is a difference between a university paying an athlete and you or Goldman Sachs doing it. If the University of Tennessee is collecting the money, that's entirely different from a private collective.
Honest question. How is it different?
You don't get the difference between a university which receives federal and state support and an entirely private institution? Like ten years ago there were a few White only county clubs. There's a difference.
I have read it over and over and just don't get the country club thing.
What I am saying is I don't see the difference between the university collecting it and a collective collecting it.
Entirely private organizations are not subject to federal Civi Rights laws.

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Re: What do we think about this?

Unread post by bcoach » Thu Sep 19, 2024 6:40 am

appgrad95&97 wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2024 3:59 am
bcoach wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2024 7:32 pm
appgrad95&97 wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2024 5:53 pm
bcoach wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2024 4:20 pm
appgrad95&97 wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2024 3:53 pm


That's been my point the entire time. There is a difference between a university paying an athlete and you or Goldman Sachs doing it. If the University of Tennessee is collecting the money, that's entirely different from a private collective.
Honest question. How is it different?
You don't get the difference between a university which receives federal and state support and an entirely private institution? Like ten years ago there were a few White only county clubs. There's a difference.
I have read it over and over and just don't get the country club thing.
What I am saying is I don't see the difference between the university collecting it and a collective collecting it.
Entirely private organizations are not subject to federal Civi Rights laws.
Sorry, you have totaly lost me.

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Re: What do we think about this?

Unread post by fjblair » Thu Sep 19, 2024 9:22 am

appgrad95&97 wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2024 3:59 am
bcoach wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2024 7:32 pm
appgrad95&97 wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2024 5:53 pm
bcoach wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2024 4:20 pm
appgrad95&97 wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2024 3:53 pm


That's been my point the entire time. There is a difference between a university paying an athlete and you or Goldman Sachs doing it. If the University of Tennessee is collecting the money, that's entirely different from a private collective.
Honest question. How is it different?
You don't get the difference between a university which receives federal and state support and an entirely private institution? Like ten years ago there were a few White only county clubs. There's a difference.
I have read it over and over and just don't get the country club thing.
What I am saying is I don't see the difference between the university collecting it and a collective collecting it.
Entirely private organizations are not subject to federal Civi Rights laws.
Huh, they are most certainly subject to federal civil rights laws.

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Re: What do we think about this?

Unread post by appgrad95&97 » Thu Sep 19, 2024 12:22 pm

fjblair wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2024 9:22 am
appgrad95&97 wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2024 3:59 am
bcoach wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2024 7:32 pm
appgrad95&97 wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2024 5:53 pm
bcoach wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2024 4:20 pm

Honest question. How is it different?
You don't get the difference between a university which receives federal and state support and an entirely private institution? Like ten years ago there were a few White only county clubs. There's a difference.
I have read it over and over and just don't get the country club thing.
What I am saying is I don't see the difference between the university collecting it and a collective collecting it.
Entirely private organizations are not subject to federal Civi Rights laws.
Huh, they are most certainly subject to federal civil rights laws.
You realize that Augusta National did not have a Black Member until 1990 and did not have a female member until 2013. The Civil Rights Act passed in 1964.

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Re: What do we think about this?

Unread post by bcoach » Thu Sep 19, 2024 12:45 pm

appgrad95&97 wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2024 12:22 pm
fjblair wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2024 9:22 am
appgrad95&97 wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2024 3:59 am
bcoach wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2024 7:32 pm
appgrad95&97 wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2024 5:53 pm


You don't get the difference between a university which receives federal and state support and an entirely private institution? Like ten years ago there were a few White only county clubs. There's a difference.
I have read it over and over and just don't get the country club thing.
What I am saying is I don't see the difference between the university collecting it and a collective collecting it.
Entirely private organizations are not subject to federal Civi Rights laws.
Huh, they are most certainly subject to federal civil rights laws.
You realize that Augusta National did not have a Black Member until 1990 and did not have a female member until 2013. The Civil Rights Act passed in 1964.
I really mised a turn somwhere. What on earth does civil rights have to do with collectives and school supplied money?

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Re: What do we think about this?

Unread post by appgrad95&97 » Thu Sep 19, 2024 1:04 pm

bcoach wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2024 12:45 pm
appgrad95&97 wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2024 12:22 pm
fjblair wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2024 9:22 am
appgrad95&97 wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2024 3:59 am
bcoach wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2024 7:32 pm

I have read it over and over and just don't get the country club thing.
What I am saying is I don't see the difference between the university collecting it and a collective collecting it.
Entirely private organizations are not subject to federal Civi Rights laws.
Huh, they are most certainly subject to federal civil rights laws.
You realize that Augusta National did not have a Black Member until 1990 and did not have a female member until 2013. The Civil Rights Act passed in 1964.
I really mised a turn somwhere. What on earth does civil rights have to do with collectives and school supplied money?
Because of Title IX of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. There is a difference between me giving money to a student athlete for whatever, and a university collecting and distributing money for paying players.

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