I've had it

[asutrnr81]

I've had it......If we don't some real tailgaters up on the Liberry Deck and some real cookin' going on, and some real Supportin' our Apps.....I'm just gonna......welll I am just gonna!

Don't even try to bring be back off the clif*** Beer Hat Guy. I do not want a plea from Appmaj, not a call or text from Scatman, or Greg or Kenny or any dang body who thinks they have an answer!

Joey you can stay in freaking New York City...and miss game because of weddings all you want.

We gotta stay behind this group of kids and their coaches. Hell they are all we have right now.....I did not think we were to dang smart starting a DB in a national championship game that was shorter than me but we did.

Just play the dang game, play to be best of your ability, and be able to hold your head high afterward....the wins will come....they are close now!

Go APP

[asunewbie]

Maybe I'm a little late to the party but just had to get some things out there.

1. Satterfield needs to coach the players he recruited. Period.
2. Like it was said earlier, bubble screens only work for teams that have a legitimate deep threat. We do not anymore. What does puzzle me is why not take more shots deep on play-action? We have a great running back and he's someone the opposition game plans for.
3. Beating a dead horse here but leadership is the issue I see. Kinda like watching a flag football team trot out, go three and out, then trot back to the sidelines with no sense of urgency. Satterfield didn't recruit the bad eggs but he definitely can get rid of them.

From what I hear (and have seen in highlight tapes), we've got more talent on redshirt than we do on the field. Suffering (horribly) this year may be what's best for the future.

Best comparison I can make of this team is to the Tiger Woods of 2010 to mid-2012. During that 2 1/2 year stretch, he struggled. Badly. What is he doing now after people wrote him off? Winning regularly and dating Lindsey Vonn. The greats always bounce back. What we have in Boone is truly great. We will bounce back. Just give it some time.

[Saint3333]

Who are we red shirting?

I've yet to see a list or even educated assumptions.

I'll start.

Definitely

DE Blair (although he is listed as the starter this week)
OL Gosett
WR Jones
WR Capel
QB Lamb
RB Upshaw
LB Wright
LB Norwood
LB Vinson
DB Pinckiney
DB Garnett

Maybe
OL Barnard
OL Collmar
OL Fernadez

Can anyone confirm?

[asufan87]

Capel will have 3 years of eligibility after sitting out this year due to transfer. Collmar and Fernandez both redshirted last year. Fernandez has seen action on special teams.

[MAD Doctor]

Best comparison I can make of this team is to the Tiger Woods of 2010 to mid-2012. During that 2 1/2 year stretch, he struggled. Badly. What is he doing now after people wrote him off? Winning regularly and dating Lindsey Vonn. The greats always bounce back. What we have in Boone is truly great. We will bounce back. Just give it some time.
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I guess right now we are lying bloodied in a crashed SUV, getting the **** beaten out of us with a golf club, and we're getting ready to lose half of everything.

[AppState89]

We will be fine.....This is why


2012 Auburn Tigers Final Record: 3-9, 0-8 (SEC)

2013 Auburn Tigers 6-1, 2nd in West Division SEC and ranked #11

APP WILL BE FINE TOO, MIGHT NOT BE NEXT YEAR, BUT WE WILL BE BACK TO WINNING SOON....

Every team has down years..... we could end up 3-9 starting this week with GSU

[asunewbie]

Best comparison I can make of this team is to the Tiger Woods of 2010 to mid-2012. During that 2 1/2 year stretch, he struggled. Badly. What is he doing now after people wrote him off? Winning regularly and dating Lindsey Vonn. The greats always bounce back. What we have in Boone is truly great. We will bounce back. Just give it some time.
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I guess right now we are lying bloodied in a crashed SUV, getting the **** beaten out of us with a golf club, and we're getting ready to lose half of everything.

When there is a possibility that your only win of the season is against Elon, absolutely.

[asunewbie]

Who are we red shirting?

I've yet to see a list or even educated assumptions.

I'll start.

Definitely

DE Blair (although he is listed as the starter this week)
OL Gosett
WR Jones
WR Capel
QB Lamb
RB Upshaw
LB Wright
LB Norwood
LB Vinson
DB Pinckiney
DB Garnett

Maybe
OL Barnard
OL Collmar
OL Fernadez

Can anyone confirm?

Not so sure about Blair but if they haven't seen playing time by now, they probably won't and will get the redshirt. I haven't seen a full list either but word is it's in the ballpark of 20 (rumors from a viable source).

[asucrutch23]

Who are we red shirting?

I've yet to see a list or even educated assumptions.

I'll start.

Definitely

DE Blair (although he is listed as the starter this week)
OL Gosett
WR Jones
WR Capel
QB Lamb
RB Upshaw
LB Wright
LB Norwood
LB Vinson
DB Pinckiney
DB Garnett

Maybe
OL Barnard
OL Collmar
OL Fernadez

Can anyone confirm?

Off the top of my head I would also include OL Beau Nunn and DB Tyrell Brown. Tyson Fernandez has already redshirted and is used in punt protection. I gotta say I'm pretty excited about our LBs and DBs for the next 3 or 4 years. DL is a work in progress but it looks like we are addressing it with our 2014 class so far.

[Cincy App]

"I would be shocked if a quality coach that was interested in the job would turn it down because we fired our coach after one year."

I think we will have to disagree on this - first, I guess, I need you to define "quality coach"

the college coaches are a very close fraternity - most know each other or knows someone who does - it would be a mistake to think the fact that APP fired a native-son from the head coaching position after one year simply based on W/L record in a season where they were playing for nothing wouldn't go thru the coaching ranks like a wild fire -

I appreciate your level-headed responses. I agree that college coaches are a close fraternity. I disagree though that no quality coaches would be interested in our position if it became available due to an awful ASU season.

Hypothetically, ASU could finish 1-11 this season. A ten or eleven loss season would be inexcusable for a program that usually wins 8+ games. There has to be some accountability - even this season. I recognize that we don’t have an 8-win quality team this season but we should be better than 1-6 coming off a blowout loss to a terrible Furman team.

I am not advocating any negative decision on Coach Satterfield at this point. I think we need to see how ASU plays in our final 5 games and then assess. If we continue to crash, other factors will contribute significantly to the assessment – especially our contract with Coach Satterfield. For those begging for a change, I would not expect any coaching change if we still owe 3 years on the current contract. No one can answer that question unless they have seen the contract.

If further evaluation is still needed, our administration will assess if Coach has the ability to turn our program back around in the right direction.

I plan to be in KBS supporting our Apps for our last 3 home games this season. My support will not change. I was an ASU student in the early 80’s and survived those years. I fully hope that ASU begins to show improvement and we earn a couple more wins this season. I like Coach Satterfield and hope he succeeds for many years at ASU. However, there is an expectation to field a competitive team at ASU. Like it or not, Appalachian football is big business to our school and the Boone/ High Country business community. I’m still hoping for the best and that the hypothetical questions become irrelevant.

[bc1971]

Listening to a sports talk show on Saturday leaving the game, and heard the announcer saying
that ASU redshirted 30 players this year. Basically, giving up on this year to prepare for next year.
If this is true, SAD!!!

[Saint3333]

Off the top of my head I would also include OL Beau Nunn and DB Tyrell Brown. Tyson Fernandez has already redshirted and is used in punt protection. I gotta say I'm pretty excited about our LBs and DBs for the next 3 or 4 years. DL is a work in progress but it looks like we are addressing it with our 2014 class so far.

Nunn and Brown are on the two deep are they really being redshirted?

[JCline0429]

If a kid doesn't like ASU for what it is, no one can likely sell him on it. You can only present the positive points to him. Some don't like the weather. For some it's too far from home and family. Some don't like the racial balance or lack thereof. For some, we don't have the majors they need or desire. Witness the kid that Fancher recruited who left before the first semester was over because he got home sick.
For goodness sakes, it's not a used car.

[asucrutch23]

Off the top of my head I would also include OL Beau Nunn and DB Tyrell Brown. Tyson Fernandez has already redshirted and is used in punt protection. I gotta say I'm pretty excited about our LBs and DBs for the next 3 or 4 years. DL is a work in progress but it looks like we are addressing it with our 2014 class so far.

Nunn and Brown are on the two deep are they really being redshirted?

Ah, good point, they sure are. Neither has played a snap this season so I was going on the educated assumption that we wouldn't burn a year this late. Their inclusion on the two deep is interesting though.

[Maddog1956]

Question --- How many guys did we have in Pro Camps this year who came to APP after the 2007 season? ---
off the top of my head -
Sam Martin
D. McCray
J. Kimbrough
T. Cadet
T. Sanders
S. Miller
D. Presley
maybe J.Fletcher and M.LeGree

Really = show me other FCS teams who recruited this kind of talent? ---

How many of those guys are linemen? Our skill position recruiting has not dropped off too much.

This is the quote I was referring to ---
"In my opinion, we got complacent in recruiting during the post championship years. Show up late in the process, flash the national championship rings, and they're ours! Doesn't work that way. Coach Moore was often quoted as saying we don't offer a kid unless he tells us he wants to be here. That's recruiting in reverse. You should ALWAYS be selling your program, not waiting for players to come to you."

I suggest complacent is an incorrect word for what happened --- I'm not saying you are wrong but I do find it hard to accept only 1 OL was targeted in one and only 3 targeted in another ---

Also for the record - Matt Ruff and Orry Frye were both all-conference OL who were recruited after 2007, as well as, Shaq Counts and Alex Acey both being named Freshmen All SoCon with Counts also being tabbed freshman All-American ---

Let's just lay the "Lack of Recruiting" BS to rest. Overall, we had just as good players the last 3-4 years as we have had at any times . What made the the 2005-2007 teams exceptional was the "TEAM" and coaching, not individual players. Great "Teams" and great "coaching" is what makes good players have exceptional games and plays. Our TEAM was better than any individual player. If that wasn't the case every player on those teams should have went in the NFL and the ones that did would have been outstanding. If JM had recruited such a bad team this year why was everyone on this board calling for an undefeated season, and should we buy the kids rings or not. No one on this board (or anywhere) was saying that we had a 1-11 team at the start of the year, so the recruiting wasn't off.

People are dumber than dumb if they think JM didn't go after go players, there is no reason on this earth that you wouldn't go after a good player that you could get. Everyone knows the stats, everyone looks at the same information. The facts are, that there are only certain players available for FCS teams, and certain available for non Power Conference teams, etc, etc. You get some you lose some. Did some not come because JM was no longer here, maybe. Did some not come because we had a "brand new" HC, maybe. Did some not come because they didn't want to be in cold weather, maybe, etc, etc. But don't say JM didn't go after good players after doing so for 20+ years, no one should even give that argument any points. The same for the statement "he didn't want kids that didn't want to be here"! You might sell some, but you better spend your time with kids that have a interest in coming or else you lose them while goofing around with some kid you don't have a chance with. If that's the case why not go after the A. Luck's, etc? Kids graduation HS have given a lot of thought about it and if you're not on their list by then, your chance is slim and none.

Lastly, Recruiting is just a small, small part of it. How many of our really best players have came in as the top ranked player? I haven't checked it out, so this is just a guess, but I bet some of our best players wasn't the highest recruited players. KR was a walk on. AE walked away from a Non-QB role, etc.

Building a team, playing a game at our level is about taking fair - good recruits and making an exceptional team. That's what JM did year after year. That is what SS and Co. will after to do. Doing it with your own players makes you more responsible, but only slightly.

[JCline0429]

Question --- How many guys did we have in Pro Camps this year who came to APP after the 2007 season? ---
off the top of my head -
Sam Martin
D. McCray
J. Kimbrough
T. Cadet
T. Sanders
S. Miller
D. Presley
maybe J.Fletcher and M.LeGree

Really = show me other FCS teams who recruited this kind of talent? ---

How many of those guys are linemen? Our skill position recruiting has not dropped off too much.

This is the quote I was referring to ---
"In my opinion, we got complacent in recruiting during the post championship years. Show up late in the process, flash the national championship rings, and they're ours! Doesn't work that way. Coach Moore was often quoted as saying we don't offer a kid unless he tells us he wants to be here. That's recruiting in reverse. You should ALWAYS be selling your program, not waiting for players to come to you."

I suggest complacent is an incorrect word for what happened --- I'm not saying you are wrong but I do find it hard to accept only 1 OL was targeted in one and only 3 targeted in another ---

Also for the record - Matt Ruff and Orry Frye were both all-conference OL who were recruited after 2007, as well as, Shaq Counts and Alex Acey both being named Freshmen All SoCon with Counts also being tabbed freshman All-American ---

Let's just lay the "Lack of Recruiting" BS to rest. Overall, we had just as good players the last 3-4 years as we have had at any times . What made the the 2005-2007 teams exceptional was the "TEAM" and coaching, not individual players. Great "Teams" and great "coaching" is what makes good players have exceptional games and plays. Our TEAM was better than any individual player. If that wasn't the case every player on those teams should have went in the NFL and the ones that did would have been outstanding. If JM had recruited such a bad team this year why was everyone on this board calling for an undefeated season, and should we buy the kids rings or not. No one on this board (or anywhere) was saying that we had a 1-11 team at the start of the year, so the recruiting wasn't off.

People are dumber than dumb if they think JM didn't go after go players, there is no reason on this earth that you wouldn't go after a good player that you could get. Everyone knows the stats, everyone looks at the same information. The facts are, that there are only certain players available for FCS teams, and certain available for non Power Conference teams, etc, etc. You get some you lose some. Did some not come because JM was no longer here, maybe. Did some not come because we had a "brand new" HC, maybe. Did some not come because they didn't want to be in cold weather, maybe, etc, etc. But don't say JM didn't go after good players after doing so for 20+ years, no one should even give that argument any points. The same for the statement "he didn't want kids that didn't want to be here"! You might sell some, but you better spend your time with kids that have a interest in coming or else you lose them while goofing around with some kid you don't have a chance with. If that's the case why not go after the A. Luck's, etc? Kids graduation HS have given a lot of thought about it and if you're not on their list by then, your chance is slim and none.

Lastly, Recruiting is just a small, small part of it. How many of our really best players have came in as the top ranked player? I haven't checked it out, so this is just a guess, but I bet some of our best players wasn't the highest recruited players. KR was a walk on. AE walked away from a Non-QB role, etc.

Building a team, playing a game at our level is about taking fair - good recruits and making an exceptional team. That's what JM did year after year. That is what SS and Co. will after to do. Doing it with your own players makes you more responsible, but only slightly.

Rep point.

[appst89]

Question --- How many guys did we have in Pro Camps this year who came to APP after the 2007 season? ---
off the top of my head -
Sam Martin
D. McCray
J. Kimbrough
T. Cadet
T. Sanders
S. Miller
D. Presley
maybe J.Fletcher and M.LeGree

Really = show me other FCS teams who recruited this kind of talent? ---

How many of those guys are linemen? Our skill position recruiting has not dropped off too much.

This is the quote I was referring to ---
"In my opinion, we got complacent in recruiting during the post championship years. Show up late in the process, flash the national championship rings, and they're ours! Doesn't work that way. Coach Moore was often quoted as saying we don't offer a kid unless he tells us he wants to be here. That's recruiting in reverse. You should ALWAYS be selling your program, not waiting for players to come to you."

I suggest complacent is an incorrect word for what happened --- I'm not saying you are wrong but I do find it hard to accept only 1 OL was targeted in one and only 3 targeted in another ---

Also for the record - Matt Ruff and Orry Frye were both all-conference OL who were recruited after 2007, as well as, Shaq Counts and Alex Acey both being named Freshmen All SoCon with Counts also being tabbed freshman All-American ---

Let's just lay the "Lack of Recruiting" BS to rest.

Then where are the linemen? Why did we only make one offer in 2008 and three in 2009? Some of us have been saying it for several years that the recruiting suffered after the championships and the Michigan win when it should have surged.

Recruiting isn't the only reason we're in the shape we're in this year, but to ignore its impact is to have your head planted firmly in the sand.

[JCline0429]

Didn't of of our coaches take a lineman with him when he moved to another school and another one or two decommit?

[WVAPPeer]

My comment was - I found it hard to believe they only TARGETED 1 OL one year and only TARGETED 3 the following year? ---

[JCline0429]

It's interesting that Eliot in spite of not recruiting many OL that he was wanted by many on here and another board to succeed Moore.

I never realized he was the recruiting coordinator.

Whoever was involved clearly dropped the ball.

I don't recall what role Elliot had, but the position coaches are just as involved as the recruiting coordinator.