Jerry Moore will not return

[Saint3333]

Coach Moore didn't want to announce it the last time the one year decision was made, he would not have agreed to that this time either.

[HappyHippie]

"But if an invitation is imminent and he knows Moore wants no part of it then what is he supposed to do?"

What would have been the harm to let him have the additional season? This time, put it in writing. Announce it to the world. Another season under Moore would have had absolutely no bearing on FBS or the Sun Belt. Unfortunately, Cobb couldn't stand the thought of one of his underlings with an opinion contrary to his own. And why, WHY! divide the university community this way? Cobb had to have known it was going to go down this way. It didn't have to. Yes, Jerry played a role in this. But if I'm in his shoes, I'm pissed that I'm being kicked to the curb by someone who has not one shred of administrative ability.

We fans have gotten so intoxicated by our success that we don't appreciate the role Coach Moore has played in it.

I want some of that koolaid!

It might be what you need moving forward dude.

[AppGrad78]

Coach Moore didn't want to announce it the last time the one year decision was made, he would not have agreed to that this time either.

Saint: You bring up a good point. There never should have been an ultimatum in the first place. The FBS debate ... such as it was ... was decided. It shouldn't have mattered that Jerry wasn't in agreement. Jerry's position on the matter wouldn't have stopped that ship from sailing. Unfortunately, Cobb wanted all of his minions in lockstep.

[Saint3333]

I must have missed the ultimatum?

I don't get the FBS point you continue to bring up either.

[goapps93]

"But if an invitation is imminent and he knows Moore wants no part of it then what is he supposed to do?"

What would have been the harm to let him have the additional season? This time, put it in writing. Announce it to the world. Another season under Moore would have had absolutely no bearing on FBS or the Sun Belt. Unfortunately, Cobb couldn't stand the thought of one of his underlings with an opinion contrary to his own. And why, WHY! divide the university community this way? Cobb had to have known it was going to go down this way. It didn't have to. Yes, Jerry played a role in this. But if I'm in his shoes, I'm pissed that I'm being kicked to the curb by someone who has not one shred of administrative ability.

We fans have gotten so intoxicated by our success that we don't appreciate the role Coach Moore has played in it.

It's all about recruiting. No, we would not have been FBS next year but if we make an announcement soon then next years recruits would be Juniors or redshirt Sophomores when we would be full members and bowl eligible(if my calculations are correct). It is going to be important to know who the Head Coach is going to be when we start this Springs recruiting drive. Sure, we could have gone the "Head Coach In Waiting" route but we have seen how well that's worked in other places. IF there is an invite waiting to be made in a few weeks then Cobb was in a no-win situation. I'm not defending him but he had a tough decsion to make. I don't know what all you guys do for a living but I'd venture to guess that few, if any, have decisions like this to make. Being the AD at a school like ours at a time like this has got one of the toughest jobs there is. It's so easy for some of us to sit back and be armchair quarterbacks in this matter, just like it is on Saturday nights and Sunday mornings after games.

[PhillyApp1]

"But if an invitation is imminent and he knows Moore wants no part of it then what is he supposed to do?"

What would have been the harm to let him have the additional season? This time, put it in writing. Announce it to the world. Another season under Moore would have had absolutely no bearing on FBS or the Sun Belt. Unfortunately, Cobb couldn't stand the thought of one of his underlings with an opinion contrary to his own. And why, WHY! divide the university community this way? Cobb had to have known it was going to go down this way. It didn't have to. Yes, Jerry played a role in this. But if I'm in his shoes, I'm pissed that I'm being kicked to the curb by someone who has not one shred of administrative ability.

We fans have gotten so intoxicated by our success that we don't appreciate the role Coach Moore has played in it.

I want some of that koolaid!

It might be what you need moving forward dude.

Happy Hippie you are out of touch.....Kool Aid is your friend
Tell Coach Moore we love him and thank you for ALL his guidance.

[AppState89]

"But if an invitation is imminent and he knows Moore wants no part of it then what is he supposed to do?"

What would have been the harm to let him have the additional season? This time, put it in writing. Announce it to the world. Another season under Moore would have had absolutely no bearing on FBS or the Sun Belt. Unfortunately, Cobb couldn't stand the thought of one of his underlings with an opinion contrary to his own. And why, WHY! divide the university community this way? Cobb had to have known it was going to go down this way. It didn't have to. Yes, Jerry played a role in this. But if I'm in his shoes, I'm pissed that I'm being kicked to the curb by someone who has not one shred of administrative ability.

We fans have gotten so intoxicated by our success that we don't appreciate the role Coach Moore has played in it.

I want some of that koolaid!

It might be what you need moving forward dude.

Happy Hippie you are out of touch.....Kool Aid is your friend
Tell Coach Moore we love him and thank you for ALL his guidance.

LOL

[AppGrad78]

"But if an invitation is imminent and he knows Moore wants no part of it then what is he supposed to do?"

What would have been the harm to let him have the additional season? This time, put it in writing. Announce it to the world. Another season under Moore would have had absolutely no bearing on FBS or the Sun Belt. Unfortunately, Cobb couldn't stand the thought of one of his underlings with an opinion contrary to his own. And why, WHY! divide the university community this way? Cobb had to have known it was going to go down this way. It didn't have to. Yes, Jerry played a role in this. But if I'm in his shoes, I'm pissed that I'm being kicked to the curb by someone who has not one shred of administrative ability.

We fans have gotten so intoxicated by our success that we don't appreciate the role Coach Moore has played in it.

It's all about recruiting. No, we would not have been FBS next year but if we make an announcement soon then next years recruits would be Juniors or redshirt Sophomores when we would be full members and bowl eligible(if my calculations are correct). It is going to be important to know who the Head Coach is going to be when we start this Springs recruiting drive. Sure, we could have gone the "Head Coach In Waiting" route but we have seen how well that's worked in other places. IF there is an invite waiting to be made in a few weeks then Cobb was in a no-win situation. I'm not defending him but he had a tough decsion to make. I don't know what all you guys do for a living but I'd venture to guess that few, if any, have decisions like this to make. Being the AD at a school like ours at a time like this has got one of the toughest jobs there is. It's so easy for some of us to sit back and be armchair quarterbacks in this matter, just like it is on Saturday nights and Sunday mornings after games.

goapps93: I can appreciate how difficult it is to manage an athletic department that has grown as large as ASU's, and I dislike Monday morning quarterbacking as much as you seem to. But good management isn't rocket science. You just have to know right from wrong. It was wrong to unceremoniously fire someone who brought such honor to this university. Coach Moore didn't deserve the treatment he got from Cobb. And the university doesn't deserve the black eye it has received in the wake of this.

The Asheville Citizen summed up the feelings of many of us:
http://www.citizen-times.com/article/20 ... ck_check=1

[1ASU78]

Well something went down we just don't know all details on. and my hind sight is perfect so ...why didn't CC call in coach and say gig's up & thanks for the memories we're going to release a statement you'll be retiring end of next month. We'll put something up on GoASU 24 days in a row about your career and in the mean time SS is interim and we'll begin search. Give coach a few days to mourn sched a reception for him and have a couple more events & give a good send off. What ever happened we just didn't do a good job of tying off loose ends.

I knew Coach Moore had to go one day doesn't make it any easier to sallow. In the beginning I was one of his biggest critics in the end one of his biggest fans.

[JCline0429]

Please, some of the comments I've read on here are down right shameful. Had it not been for Jerry Moore, does anyone honestly believe ASU would have 12 SoCon titles, 3 National Championships, have beaten Michigan, or have the attendance and the facilities that are there now??? The man gave 24 years of his life to this University. I think the very least that should have taken place is one more season. Even if they do announce they are going FBS, it won't be next year. And can you just imagine the atmosphere and attendance if everyone knew next year was his final season? I'm sorry, but this was another terrible decision by Charlie Cobb, and I truly hope the football program doesn't fail like mens basketball has since his last blunder.

While nobody can deny Coach Moore has accomplished great things at ASU I think it would be naive to think Cobb had nothing to do with the success of our program during his time here. Don't forget that Jerry had very few of the big wins you bring up before Cobb and Peacock took over. You could argue that the former AD held him back, but it's impossible to say what Moore would have done with different leadership. Here's what did happen by the numbers:

1989-2004: Record= 120-60 (67%), SoCon Titles=3, Playoff Record=6-9 (40%), National Championships=0, SoCon COY=3, National COY=0

2005-2012: Record= 87-23 (79%), SoCon Titles=9, Playoff Record=16-4 (80%), National Championships=3, SoCon COY=5, National COY=5

It's safe to say both men have benefitted from each other.

Who ever said that CC didn't have anything to do with our success? No one is questioning CC's adding to the game day experience which in turn helped boost attendance which in turn makes ASU more appealing. But it wasn't CC who coached the team to those successes you mentioned and beat the bushes to recruit some of the stellar athletes and fine young men our program has attracted.

[JCline0429]

Please, some of the comments I've read on here are down right shameful. Had it not been for Jerry Moore, does anyone honestly believe ASU would have 12 SoCon titles, 3 National Championships, have beaten Michigan, or have the attendance and the facilities that are there now??? The man gave 24 years of his life to this University. I think the very least that should have taken place is one more season. Even if they do announce they are going FBS, it won't be next year. And can you just imagine the atmosphere and attendance if everyone knew next year was his final season? I'm sorry, but this was another terrible decision by Charlie Cobb, and I truly hope the football program doesn't fail like mens basketball has since his last blunder.

While nobody can deny Coach Moore has accomplished great things at ASU I think it would be naive to think Cobb had nothing to do with the success of our program during his time here. Don't forget that Jerry had very few of the big wins you bring up before Cobb and Peacock took over. You could argue that the former AD held him back, but it's impossible to say what Moore would have done with different leadership. Here's what did happen by the numbers:

1989-2004: Record= 120-60 (67%), SoCon Titles=3, Playoff Record=6-9 (40%), National Championships=0, SoCon COY=3, National COY=0

2005-2012: Record= 87-23 (79%), SoCon Titles=9, Playoff Record=16-4 (80%), National Championships=3, SoCon COY=5, National COY=5

It's safe to say both men have benefitted from each other.

Who ever said that CC didn't have anything to do with our success? No one is questioning CC's adding to the game day experience which in turn helped boost attendance which in turn makes ASU more appealing. Enhancing the facilities certainly helped along these lines, also. But it wasn't CC who coached the team to those successes you mentioned and beat the bushes to recruit some of the stellar athletes and fine young men our program has attracted.

[bcoach]

And just what position did Charlie coach?

The position that Rochel Laney couldn't.

Nice try

[appgrouch]

And just what position did Charlie coach?

The position that Rochel Laney couldn't.

Nice try

Laney actually coached for ASU football for 5 years.

[JCline0429]

They interviewed Elliot Sunday, doubt they had made a decision before that.

I don't doubt that they knew EXACTLY who they were going to interview and when those interviews would take place with regard to when the season ended. Having several to choose from and not having someone in mind are two totally different things.

Interviewing Sunday for a position that opened on Saturday tells me that they actually did have someone (or a group of someones) slated for this job.

I'm pretty sure that Cobb has had a list of replacements for the last year on his desk just waiting until he could interview them, after the vacancy was open.

Would it have made you happier had they interviewed potential applicants during the season?

But no one was interviewed on Sunday according to some post on this board. Or were you just saying "if."
Besides it may be that interviews can't take place until the opening is posted.

[JCline0429]

Coach Moore didn't want to announce it the last time the one year decision was made, he would not have agreed to that this time either.

Saint: You bring up a good point. There never should have been an ultimatum in the first place. The FBS debate ... such as it was ... was decided. It shouldn't have mattered that Jerry wasn't in agreement. Jerry's position on the matter wouldn't have stopped that ship from sailing. Unfortunately, Cobb wanted all of his minions in lockstep.

Rep

[goapps93]

Well something went down we just don't know all details on. and my hind sight is perfect so ...why didn't CC call in coach and say gig's up & thanks for the memories we're going to release a statement you'll be retiring end of next month. We'll put something up on GoASU 24 days in a row about your career and in the mean time SS is interim and we'll begin search. Give coach a few days to mourn sched a reception for him and have a couple more events & give a good send off. What ever happened we just didn't do a good job of tying off loose ends.

I knew Coach Moore had to go one day doesn't make it any easier to sallow. In the beginning I was one of his biggest critics in the end one of his biggest fans.

How do we know that wasn't Cobb's intent and Coach Moore wouldn't go for it? While we're speculating we have to consider that angle as well. Coach Moore commented to the media that he wanted one more season. That wasn't the deal. And if that is the case then Cobb's comments were more on the high road. We really don't know what happened behind that closed door. Some folks seem to be blinded to unwielding loyalty to Coach Moore, which is respectable, but that doesn't mean he's not capable of causing Cobb to have to do what he did. We don't call this the silly season for no reason and Cobb knew that this would be the week that more coaching changes were announced at other schools and we would need to get our vacancy announcement out there. Many complained that we failed to strike while the iron was hot 5 years ago. Well, the iron has heated up again and it's time to strike. Cobb appears ready to take a swing. Let's see what happens.

[ASUMountaineer]

it seems odd to me that a quote by Cobb and a few post on a message board is the 'proof' of an agreement. This FBS crap is clouding good judgement. Coach Moore built this program on TRUST and RESPECT. The administration also put a campaign out - CLASS. I see little TRUST and no RESPECT in Sundays explosion. CLASSLESS seems to fit much better.

What "proof" do you have that there was no agreement. At this point, the AD has said there was an agreement. What is your counter?

If Coach changes his mind after this year, isn't it possible he could have done so after the 2013 season? I'm not happy to see Coach go, but taking CC at his word, he kept his word. There is trust and respect in that.

[StorminASU]

Glenn: I hardly think Cobb was in a no-win situation.

Coach Moore's dismissal had absolutely nothing to do with our off-the-field problems. As someone else pointed out, when you are the CEO of a group of 110 or so young men, problems are going to arise. Our issues were no different than hundreds of other Division I college football programs, and, truth be known, no different than our other athletic programs -- women's soccer included. Our APR rates and graduation rates in football are the highest ever. And our on-field records are still the envy of our subdivision. Those talking-points coming out of Cobb's office about this being about a slippage in the program are merely red herrings to mask the real "difference of opinion" here.

No, this is 100 percent about FBS. Cobb is the conductor, engineer, ticket collector and caboose rider on that train. Moore wanted no part of it. In a few days, we'll probably be accepted into the Sun Belt Conference, and Cobb couldn't stand the thought of sitting in that news conference with Coach Moore on the podium offering a slow clap. Cobb preferred a lapdog of a coach willing to tell the audience what a great day it was for Appalachian athletics.

No, Cobb wasn't in a no-win situation. All he had to do was be honest with us.

I haven't seen anywhere that he wasn't honest. He could have called it a retirement; he didn't. He laid it out like it was. He said there was an agreement, he said there was a difference of opinion and he made a difficult call. He may have had ulterior motives, but the truth is none of us will likely ever know that for sure. But if an invitation is imminent and he knows Moore wants no part of it then what is he supposed to do? I do believe it was a no-win situation because if he does nothing and we do move to FBS then we have a lame-duck coach who doesn't really want to be there, but by making the decision he made he opened himself to all this second guessing and conspiracy theories.

I know I'm coming off as a Cobb defender here, and that isn't entirely the case. I have some issues with things he has done, chief among them the complete disaster that is our basketball program. I just don't think the blame for this situation rests solely on his shoulders. Moore bears at least as much of the blame. You're right that the CEO cannot personally supervise 110 employees, but the CEO is where the buck stops. There are enough well-documented on-the-field and off-the-field incidents in the last few years to indicate some slippage in the grip the CEO held over the organization.

I really do hate that this had to happen the way it did, but I think it did have to happen. If the Bowden and Paterno situations (not the extracurricular stuff but just the coaching part) didn't teach us anything else, it had to teach us that things cannot be allowed to linger until they become bigger problems. No, it's not pleasant and I wish it could have ended differently, but the signs were not pointing to that kind of conclusion. I guess I'm just willing to accept that it was an unpleasant decision that our leadership felt had to be made. That's why they are in those positions, and in the absence of a good reason not to, I'm going to trust that they knew what they were doing.

I hope this is a joke.

Can you dislike things on this forum?

[ASUMountaineer]

"But if an invitation is imminent and he knows Moore wants no part of it then what is he supposed to do?"

What would have been the harm to let him have the additional season? This time, put it in writing. Announce it to the world. Another season under Moore would have had absolutely no bearing on FBS or the Sun Belt. Unfortunately, Cobb couldn't stand the thought of one of his underlings with an opinion contrary to his own. And why, WHY! divide the university community this way? Cobb had to have known it was going to go down this way. It didn't have to. Yes, Jerry played a role in this. But if I'm in his shoes, I'm pissed that I'm being kicked to the curb by someone who has not one shred of administrative ability.

We fans have gotten so intoxicated by our success that we don't appreciate the role Coach Moore has played in it. <---- this is laughable

How do you know this, or are you creating a story that fits your narrative?

[JCline0429]

"But if an invitation is imminent and he knows Moore wants no part of it then what is he supposed to do?"

What would have been the harm to let him have the additional season? This time, put it in writing. Announce it to the world. Another season under Moore would have had absolutely no bearing on FBS or the Sun Belt. Unfortunately, Cobb couldn't stand the thought of one of his underlings with an opinion contrary to his own. And why, WHY! divide the university community this way? Cobb had to have known it was going to go down this way. It didn't have to. Yes, Jerry played a role in this. But if I'm in his shoes, I'm pissed that I'm being kicked to the curb by someone who has not one shred of administrative ability.

We fans have gotten so intoxicated by our success that we don't appreciate the role Coach Moore has played in it.

You're right