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[ASUMountaineer]

WOW. Thanks for the help but I hope that is not what they used to make a decision, and I would say the same if they decided to go the other way. I did see this a while back and thought it was just a PR brochure. I really hope there was a real report with lot more information than this and if not, I hope they didn't pay more than about $1000-$1500 dollars for it. As it is our money I think we are owed a lot more than this. We have a business school. Have we used them? I read a paper done by a student in the Sports Mgt program a few years back that was MUCH better than this. Don't mean to be a "smart guy" but I am very disappointed in this. As I have read that the vast majority of schools don't break even we need to be serious about this.

It actually wasn't our money. The study was paid for through private donations, IIRC.

[bcoach]

WOW. Thanks for the help but I hope that is not what they used to make a decision, and I would say the same if they decided to go the other way. I did see this a while back and thought it was just a PR brochure. I really hope there was a real report with lot more information than this and if not, I hope they didn't pay more than about $1000-$1500 dollars for it. As it is our money I think we are owed a lot more than this. We have a business school. Have we used them? I read a paper done by a student in the Sports Mgt program a few years back that was MUCH better than this. Don't mean to be a "smart guy" but I am very disappointed in this. As I have read that the vast majority of schools don't break even we need to be serious about this.

It actually wasn't our money. The study was paid for through private donations, IIRC.

Sorry I didn't make that clear did I. I hope they didn't waste much of THEIR money on the study, but when I talked about our money I was talking about all the money spent and about to be spent on athletics.

[Saint3333]

If the only reason programs wished to be in the FBS was to make money there would be about 20 teams there. Our athletic department doesn't make money now. If we can lose about the same about and actually get exposure (something our current tv "contract" does not provide that would be a positive move.

[bcoach]

Sorry but I can't follow your thought process on this one. It should pay for it's self and not cause a drain on the university.

[vegattk]

If the only reason programs wished to be in the FBS was to make money there would be about 20 teams there. Our athletic department doesn't make money now. If we can lose about the same about and actually get exposure (something our current tv "contract" does not provide that would be a positive move.

If it's exposure ASU's seeking all we have to do is miss a free throw... badly... very badly...

Pretty cheap exposure if you ask me

[AppinVA]

Sorry but I can't follow your thought process on this one. It should pay for it's self and not cause a drain on the university.

So, if a FBS Appalachian State loses about the same amount of money as the FCS ASU, by your logic, we should can our Athletics Department, altogether?

[Saint3333]

The logic is pretty sound. If you lose 1M and get no exposure or lose 1M and get exposure, which one would you choose?

[bcoach]

First of all we have no idea what we would lose from the report that was published. It says we make money without any supporting numbers. We should not be looking to have the same loss we should be looking at ways to make money and lessen the burden on student fees. Now when it comes to exposure my question would be "for what purpose".

[bcoach]

Sorry but I can't follow your thought process on this one. It should pay for it's self and not cause a drain on the university.

So, if a FBS Appalachian State loses about the same amount of money as the FCS ASU, by your logic, we should can our Athletics Department, altogether?

Now you are a lot smarter than that. I have been reading you for a while. You are just trying to see what I will bite on.

[AppinVA]

Sorry but I can't follow your thought process on this one. It should pay for it's self and not cause a drain on the university.

So, if a FBS Appalachian State loses about the same amount of money as the FCS ASU, by your logic, we should can our Athletics Department, altogether?

Now you are a lot smarter than that. I have been reading you for a while. You are just trying to see what I will bite on.

I actually think it's an honest question. If we lose roughly the same amount of money, and you feel athletics shouldn't be a drain on the university, I honestly can't see how you could have a different position.

How about this one. You say that the athletics department should be looking at ways to lessen the burden of the students. I can agree with that one. I happen to believe that objective can best be done through a FBS model, as we've ridden this FCS train about as far as we can take it without going in reverse. You advocate reducing the burden by the students, but remaining in the FCS. How do you propose to do that but by keeping everything status quo in regards to ASU's present Division I/FCS model?

[bcoach]

Sorry but I can't follow your thought process on this one. It should pay for it's self and not cause a drain on the university.

So, if a FBS Appalachian State loses about the same amount of money as the FCS ASU, by your logic, we should can our Athletics Department, altogether?

Now you are a lot smarter than that. I have been reading you for a while. You are just trying to see what I will bite on.

I actually think it's an honest question. If we lose roughly the same amount of money, and you feel athletics shouldn't be a drain on the university, I honestly can't see how you could have a different position.

How about this one. You say that the athletics department should be looking at ways to lessen the burden of the students. I can agree with that one. I happen to believe that objective can best be done through a FBS model, as we've ridden this FCS train about as far as we can take it without going in reverse. You advocate reducing the burden by the students, but remaining in the FCS. How do you propose to do that but by keeping everything status quo in regards to ASU's present Division I/FCS model?

Sorry. I thought you were messing with me. No I do not advocate doing away with athletics at all. If we do our very best to break even or make money and don't, then so be it. Try harder. I am not using this as a FBS/FCS thing. That battle is over. All I am saying is that the published study is very thin on content. I don't want to lose more than we are now. Most FBS schools have been losing big money, not our kind os losses. I don't want us to get into a mess we will regret. We may be fine but there is just not enough information to tell us that. I just don't look at it as, where is it better to lose. I look at it as how do we win.

[Saint3333]

ODU just signed a 2 for 1 deal with VT, that doesn't sound too bad.

[vegattk]

Hey, at least Kidd Brewer will be full of Non-App fans once we start getting "better" FBS teams to play us at home!

That's one way to increase ticket sales!

[AppinVA]

Sorry but I can't follow your thought process on this one. It should pay for it's self and not cause a drain on the university.

So, if a FBS Appalachian State loses about the same amount of money as the FCS ASU, by your logic, we should can our Athletics Department, altogether?

Now you are a lot smarter than that. I have been reading you for a while. You are just trying to see what I will bite on.

I actually think it's an honest question. If we lose roughly the same amount of money, and you feel athletics shouldn't be a drain on the university, I honestly can't see how you could have a different position.

How about this one. You say that the athletics department should be looking at ways to lessen the burden of the students. I can agree with that one. I happen to believe that objective can best be done through a FBS model, as we've ridden this FCS train about as far as we can take it without going in reverse. You advocate reducing the burden by the students, but remaining in the FCS. How do you propose to do that but by keeping everything status quo in regards to ASU's present Division I/FCS model?

Sorry. I thought you were messing with me. No I do not advocate doing away with athletics at all. If we do our very best to break even or make money and don't, then so be it. Try harder. I am not using this as a FBS/FCS thing. That battle is over. All I am saying is that the published study is very thin on content. I don't want to lose more than we are now. Most FBS schools have been losing big money, not our kind os losses. I don't want us to get into a mess we will regret. We may be fine but there is just not enough information to tell us that. I just don't look at it as, where is it better to lose. I look at it as how do we win.

I can respect that. Foresight is nowhere near 20/20.

[Saint3333]

Veg you posted some stupid things before but this ranks right up there.

[vegattk]

Veg you posted some stupid things before but this ranks right up there.

I'm in rare form tonight.....

Product of the terrible twos and a pregnant wife... I'm all-around punchy, tired, and very much the troll lately!

Plus I think you're upset because there's a bit of truth in it...

[Saint3333]

Got two.young ones myself, if you're punchy wait until you get two. 1+ 1 does not equal two.

[vegattk]

Got two.young ones myself, if you're punchy now don't have another. 1+ 1 does not equal two.

A little late for that now!

[appgrad]

Hey, at least Kidd Brewer will be full of Non-App fans once we start getting "better" FBS teams to play us at home!

That's one way to increase ticket sales!

Considering we fill our stadium with little help from any of our coherence opponents, I don't see how that's remotely a possibility.

[vegattk]

Hey, at least Kidd Brewer will be full of Non-App fans once we start getting "better" FBS teams to play us at home!

That's one way to increase ticket sales!

Considering we fill our stadium with little help from any of our coherence opponents, I don't see how that's remotely a possibility.

Put two and two together....

FBS losses = less momentum = less App fans = less butts in the seats.

So, if we play NC State at home we'll be able to pay for the costs of sending our teams to Timbuktu by selling tickets to folks in red clothing...