Interesting Idea ---

[hapapp]

I don't like the idea of 11 regular season games.

[YesAppCan]

NO!

[bigdaddyg]

I don’t like going to 11 regular season games as there will be schools who lose a home game more than likely. Smaller schools will still want the money games and fans will suffer. A 16 team playoff seems like too much. Injuries will become too prevalent with so many added games- assuming conference championships will still exist.

It’s kind of funny to hear guys say that they don’t want a G5 final 4 but want an 8 team playoff with the top G5 school added. There is still a segregation of P’s and G’s. What if the best G5 school is legitimately ranked about 15? Is that fair to what would be a considerably stronger P5?

How about letting the best 2-5 G5 conference champions play a final 4- semifinals at the home of the top 2 and championship at the home of the top remaining? The number 1 ranked G5 gets the other playoff bid. This creates excitement and intriguing games as there could be an upset in a conference championship game that changes the pecking order. It also gives the regular season another level of importance. There would be added premium to play tougher schedules.

[moonshine]

What if the best G5 school is legitimately ranked about 15? Is that fair to what would be a considerably stronger P5?

This sounds like something an autonomous program would say about the field of 64 (68) for the big dance. There is usually several deserving bubble teams who get left at home for the conference winner of a lesser conference or a weaker team within the lesser conference wins their tournament. You could probably find at least 10 instances in the last 20 years or so where a team made the big dance with a D1 losing record because they won the conference tournament.

Having a seat at the table gives programs like App a chance at a title, however slim. I think most fans are just asking for guaranteed chance to make the playoff if they have a stellar season.

[WVAPPeer]

What if the best G5 school is legitimately ranked about 15? Is that fair to what would be a considerably stronger P5?

This sounds like something an autonomous program would say about the field of 64 (68) for the big dance. There is usually several deserving bubble teams who get left at home for the conference winner of a lesser conference or a weaker team within the lesser conference wins their tournament. You could probably find at least 10 instances in the last 20 years or so where a team made the big dance with a D1 losing record because they won the conference tournament.

Having a seat at the table gives programs like App a chance at a title, however slim. I think most fans are just asking for guaranteed chance to make the playoff if they have a stellar season.

But we all know that will never happen in the current set-up

[moonshine]

But we all know that will never happen in the current set-up

IIRC, the playoff contract is through 2025 so I doubt we'll see any reformatting until then. When we made the jump, my thought was that this move will at least keep App on the 2nd level if the bigs decide to break away. Going to a G5 only playoff is the most likely outcome for us but I don't want App or any other program at our level to help make that our reality. We should all push to have at least one seat at the table.

[appfanz]

The G5 playoff was brought up last summer and Benson said an unequivocal NO.

[fjblair]

No, that just relegates us to a mid-major so those P5 conferences don't have to mess with us, despite our proven ability over and over to go in and upset their teams.

If they want to give us a chance, expand the playoffs to 6 teams, then every P5 conference gets a shot and then the best G5 team gets a shot. (Or expand to 8 to prevent byes) but no. We're in the same league as the P5's, don't give them a reason to demean our standings any more than they already do.

We are a mid-major.

[bcoach]

What top G5 team (not a team looking for $$$) plays 2 top P5 teams each year? - I think it would take beating 2 high ranked P5s and going undefeated in all games to even get a sniff - and then it still wouldn't happen --- I'm not saying I advocate the playoff described but I also wouldn't say "no way" - I don't understand some of you guys with your thoughts - Go G5 get so much more exposure, play much better teams, be in the same group as the big boys - All true!!! but then why not a playoff of say APP - Boise St - Navy - UCF --- wouldn't that be the most exposure we could ever expect?

Yes it would. To think that we would ever be allowed to compete with a P5 for a national championship is a pipe dream. The P5s will never allow it and they hold all the cards. Now call that statement whatever you want but what it is, is being realistic. We play for conference championships.

[hotrod2001]

No, that just relegates us to a mid-major so those P5 conferences don't have to mess with us, despite our proven ability over and over to go in and upset their teams.

If they want to give us a chance, expand the playoffs to 6 teams, then every P5 conference gets a shot and then the best G5 team gets a shot. (Or expand to 8 to prevent byes) but no. We're in the same league as the P5's, don't give them a reason to demean our standings any more than they already do.

We are a mid-major.

We're still FBS.
You start designating that us, the MAC, MW, CUSA and AAC are essentially in a league of our own, you'll never get another P5 to come play us at home, the media coverage outside of local outlets will be diminished and our overall value will fall just above FCS status.

It wouldn't help us in status any more than what we already are. At least currently, despite it seeming insurmountable, we do have access to a NY6 game and we've got big named teams playing us on our turf again.

[WVAPPeer]

No, that just relegates us to a mid-major so those P5 conferences don't have to mess with us, despite our proven ability over and over to go in and upset their teams.

If they want to give us a chance, expand the playoffs to 6 teams, then every P5 conference gets a shot and then the best G5 team gets a shot. (Or expand to 8 to prevent byes) but no. We're in the same league as the P5's, don't give them a reason to demean our standings any more than they already do.

We are a mid-major.

We're still FBS.
You start designating that us, the MAC, MW, CUSA and AAC are essentially in a league of our own, you'll never get another P5 to come play us at home, the media coverage outside of local outlets will be diminished and our overall value will fall just above FCS status.

It wouldn't help us in status any more than what we already are. At least currently, despite it seeming insurmountable, we do have access to a NY6 game and we've got big named teams playing us on our turf again.

Why are we referred to as G5 and not P10 - come on people, we are already in a different level and I am fine with that because that is the way it is going to be ---

[SpeedkingATL]

No, no, no to G5 playoff. I too would rather wait and hope for an 8 team playoff.

[moonshine]

Why are we referred to as G5 and not P10 - come on people, we are already in a different level and I am fine with that because that is the way it is going to be ---

WV, don't assume our identity!

[Appalachman]

This may be in this long thread somewhere. But there is an easy solution to cut number of games and tournament. NIT champion has a nice ring to it and I am sure it would generate a ton of cash for some sponsor to jump on. The winner would taunt the selection committee about not picking them over x that got blown out in round 1...

8 team playoff (NCAA) with P5 champs, G5's best, and 2 at large.
8 team playoff (NIT) with 4 other G5's and 4 at large.

This gets 4 teams playing 3 additional games beyond regular season/conf championship (16 games), 8 playing 2 additional games (15 games) and 8 playing the traditional 1 additional game (14 games). They may have one less if not in conf title game.

This creates opportunity for Cinderella on biggest stage and 4 balanced field of autos and at larges similar to NCAA. If you don't want straight rankings with at large in the seeds #1-4 most years and Gs #5-8. I would suggest alternating years of P1vsG4, P4vsG1 on one side P2vsG3, P3vsG2, with G1vsG4, P2vsP3 / P1vsP4, G2vsG3. You could even lock them in like current bowl structure MAC team #1 to X bowl vs B10 #2 (if not atlarge, then #3), MWC vs PAC12 #2/3, Sunbelt vs ACC #2/3, CUSA vs SEC #2/3. I know this is only 4/5 of each AAC and Big12. Would have to shuffle geography a bit based on which two conferences are left out annually. I just went with some general geography, the big boys have this problem with Rose bowl as Semi final now.

Blending the Gs and Ps protects the cash and you could play these in early bowl weeks and sites 12/16, 12/23 and Championship between big semis and final. NCAA would be 12/23, 12/30, and around 1/7.

[Rekdiver]

No, no, no to G5 playoff. I too would rather wait and hope for an 8 team playoff.

What he said....If we were going to want a lower league playoff I'd have stayed FCS

[AppinVA]

No, no, no to G5 playoff. I too would rather wait and hope for an 8 team playoff.

What he said....If we were going to want a lower league playoff I'd have stayed FCS

Exactly. We might end up there one day, but let's not be the ones driving the boat.

[JTApps1]

Just heard the guys on College Football ESPNU suggest that the G5 should have their own 4 team playoff - they were talking about UCF and how good they are and still can't get any higher than 14th which they all agreed was a joke - It was Desmond, Pollock and McShay and talked the quality football the G5 plays and how THEY WILL NEVER HAVE A CHANCE TO PLAY IN THE OTHER PLAYOFF NO MATTER HOW GOOD A G5 TEAM MIGHT BE ---

I heard Bill Hancock on Sirius yesterday saying Houston was on track to get in last year until they lost in conference. It spoke about it in depth so I don't believe it was just lip service. So if that is a possibility there is absolutely no reason to have a G5 playoff. UCF was mentioned, but he said their cancelled game with GT was really hurting them this year.

[WVAPPeer]

Why are we referred to as G5 and not P10 - come on people, we are already in a different level and I am fine with that because that is the way it is going to be ---

WV, don't assume our identity!

Simple question - Are we considered and referred to as a member of the Group of 5 --- OR --- Are we referred to part of the Power 10? -

[MarxistMountaineer]

The end of another season, this gets brought up again, and it's still an absolutely terrible idea.

[WVAPPeer]

Again, I am not pushing a playoff nor crushing it - it is for discussion --- however, if everyone is fine with the status quo of knowing our highest achievable post-season goal is Mobile or Montgomery or New Orleans (not the Sugar Bowl) that is OK as well ---