Satterfield blamed the players in the post game interview!

[mountainspider]

Totally agree, one whole quarter left you have to play the odds. We did not dominate up the middle or off tackle so why do you gamble with giving them the ball on downs with 60 yards to go vs. pinning them at 80-90 yards back by punting? I too thought this was a critical coaching mistake. Big momentum shifter, CSU scored a TD. Moreover, our defense isn"t exactly dependable on stopping the opposition's offense progress. I do not like the 2 offensive coordinators set-up, one for the run and one for passing, Satt has to ansewer for that scheme.
BTW, for those of who think Jerry Moore would have done better, these are his recruiting classes and he had lesser sub-coaches, so drop that argument. Things were trending slacker and our lack of player quality , particularly defense, is showing up now.
We did have a good offensive game taking into consideration possessing the ball only 18 of 60 minutes...but still, play calling in critical situations hurt us.

[ASUMountaineer]

I keep hearing about it is the OL and DL. Well I have said all along that I would like to see bigger guys but how many games did we win last year with the same type guys? I keep hearing about how young we are. First how many returning player do we have? Second even young players should be getting a little better each week with good coaching but we are getting worse.

An experienced HC probably wins that game, and the A&T game. It happens. I do think that the OL and DL are weak links right now, but I would put 75% of the problems on the coaching--which is normal for a first-time HC, especially with an almost brand new staff.

[bcoach]

Totally agree, one whole quarter left you have to play the odds. We did not dominate up the middle or off tackle so why do you gamble with giving them the ball on downs with 60 yards to go vs. pinning them at 80-90 yards back by punting? I too thought this was a critical coaching mistake. Big momentum shifter, CSU scored a TD. Moreover, our defense isn"t exactly dependable on stopping the opposition's offense progress. I do not like the 2 offensive coordinators set-up, one for the run and one for passing, Satt has to ansewer for that scheme.
BTW, for those of who think Jerry Moore would have done better, these are his recruiting classes and he had lesser sub-coaches, so drop that argument. Things were trending slacker and our lack of player quality , particularly defense, is showing up now.
We did have a good offensive game taking into consideration possessing the ball only 18 of 60 minutes...but still, play calling in critical situations hurt us.

How the heck could we have had a good offensive game when we had the ball for 18 minutes?

[bcoach]

I keep hearing about it is the OL and DL. Well I have said all along that I would like to see bigger guys but how many games did we win last year with the same type guys? I keep hearing about how young we are. First how many returning player do we have? Second even young players should be getting a little better each week with good coaching but we are getting worse.

An experienced HC probably wins that game, and the A&T game. It happens. I do think that the OL and DL are weak links right now, but I would put 75% of the problems on the coaching--which is normal for a first-time HC, especially with an almost brand new staff.

Just for clarification I agree that an experienced coach may have won but I don't put it all on him. I also used the 75% figure but I was including all the coaches not just Scott. I don't expect Scott to be the S&C coach or coach the OL or DL. But I think we agree.

[ASUMountaineer]

I keep hearing about it is the OL and DL. Well I have said all along that I would like to see bigger guys but how many games did we win last year with the same type guys? I keep hearing about how young we are. First how many returning player do we have? Second even young players should be getting a little better each week with good coaching but we are getting worse.

An experienced HC probably wins that game, and the A&T game. It happens. I do think that the OL and DL are weak links right now, but I would put 75% of the problems on the coaching--which is normal for a first-time HC, especially with an almost brand new staff.

Just for clarification I agree that an experienced coach may have won but I don't put it all on him. I also used the 75% figure but I was including all the coaches not just Scott. I don't expect Scott to be the S&C coach or coach the OL or DL. But I think we agree.

We do agree. I didn't put the losses solely on Satterfield, or at least didn't intend my post to convey that. Additionally, I did mention "an almost brand new staff." We're on the same page here.

[AppState89]

Totally agree, one whole quarter left you have to play the odds. We did not dominate up the middle or off tackle so why do you gamble with giving them the ball on downs with 60 yards to go vs. pinning them at 80-90 yards back by punting? I too thought this was a critical coaching mistake. Big momentum shifter, CSU scored a TD. Moreover, our defense isn"t exactly dependable on stopping the opposition's offense progress. I do not like the 2 offensive coordinators set-up, one for the run and one for passing, Satt has to ansewer for that scheme.
BTW, for those of who think Jerry Moore would have done better, these are his recruiting classes and he had lesser sub-coaches, so drop that argument. Things were trending slacker and our lack of player quality , particularly defense, is showing up now.
We did have a good offensive game taking into consideration possessing the ball only 18 of 60 minutes...but still, play calling in critical situations hurt us.

How the heck could we have had a good offensive game when we had the ball for 18 minutes?

Agree.....They ran 30 more plays than us and out gained us by 4 yards....Just 4 stops by the "D", and we win for sure....

[Blackandgold]

No single play and no single call was responsible for this loss. The "fat and lazy" recruitment of "O" and "D" linemen since about 2006 sealed our fate. What's apparent now is that it's not going to be over next week, next month or even next year. It'd going to take two or three years of successful line recruiting and development to get this ship back on course.

100% Correct. Our linemen are talented, but are getting physically beat. You can't fix that. This is a recruiting challenge/problem. Moore would have had the same issue... in fact had the same issue as you pointed out since 2006/2007. If A&T and Chuck South can get strong physical linemen, so can we. Other than swapping QB's (Scott, play Barnes, so he can get better for next year) you can't pin this on the coach.

Unfortunately, the performance on the OL/DL is an issue that nobody could fix overnight. I certainly hope it can improve, but I would think that it will only be "fixed" by off-season moves. I have been very supportive of Ledford, but at this point I have to seriously question whether he is getting it done. We seemed to improve in OL performance pretty quickly when he first came to App, but it seems we plateaued quickly and haven't taken another step up. I keep hearing about the talented young guys who have been redshirted or who in the pipeline. I see them on the roster and the size is promising, but it sure would be nice to see something on the field! I don't know the answer to the question of whether Ledford is the right guy, but Coach Satterfield will have to seriously evaluate that at the end of the season and hopefully make the right decision. A related factor that needs to be considered: Do we have the right Strength & Conditioning coach in place? Elliott had the advantage of having one of the BEST S&C coaches in the country while he was here. We were stronger (pound for pound) and better conditioned than anyone we played...including Michigan! That is a major factor in what made our smaller lines work, but I do not think we have this advantage today. WE NEED TO GET IT BACK.

It is easier to understand Coach Woody's situation. He is in his first year with App and he was handed an EXTREMELY young (although talented) group. Yesterday seemed to be a step back, but he was defending against a triple option team that throws well (something very different) with a very good dual threat QB. I was disappointed with the apparent lack of half-time adjustment, but I imagine the youth make these types of adjustments difficult at best.

I think we will salvage a mediocer season. We can play with anyone in the SoCon as long as we don't continue shooting ourselves in the foot. PENALTIES lost the game yesterday. We can talk about play calling and OL all day, but we helped them sustain multiple scoring drives by commiting penalties at key periods. Had those drives been stops, we would have won.

In my opinion, here are some critical issues for the off season:
1) This would be the time to hit the Juco recruiting HARD in order to get some OL/DL beef. I'm not usually a fan of this route, but now is the time.
2) Evaluate and address the coaching staff for next season: OL, S&C and Special Teams come to mind.
3) Name an OC. Not trying to pile on Ledford, but until the OL is performing better, he needs to focus on that and not on forming strategy. (This adjustment might need to happen mid season and doesn't even have to be public...just a though).
4) Recruit, recruit and then do some more recruiting. MAYBE we can spin our struggles on the OL/DL into a perceived OPPORTUNITY for a few young BIG men.

Sorry for the lengthy post. I'm trying HARD to be as positive as I can be. I am really not ready to throw Satterfield under the bus. He was NOT handed the turn key championship program that many seem to believe, but we DO have a lot of talent. Sometimes even the fans need to put forth some effort. NEVER GIVE UP. GO APPS!!!

I tried to say after Montana game how much of a joke the strength program was for the football team. The physicality of both lines is shining through now. Small guys. Not tough. And weight room hasn't helped them

[t4pizza]

"I tried to say after Montana game how much of a joke the strength program was for the football team. The physicality of both lines is shining through now. Small guys. Not tough. And weight room hasn't helped them"

This is the most telling point to me, we don't seem to be in the same kind of condition as previous teams. We don't appear to be as strong or as in shape as our previous teams. Everyone wants to keep saying the OL recruiting issues, but those should have plagued the team 2-3 years ago and we still won conference titles 2 of those years and went to the playoffs in all of them. The last miss on OL recruiting was the 09 class where we only signed Storm Moore and lost him before the season. That is a terrible Ol recruiting but interestingly enough, there were 3 future NFL players in that class (Cadet, Kimbrough, McCray). At best any Ol from that class would be a 5th year senior and more than likely would be gone by now anyway. The next class we signed Barnard, Fisher, Jones, Lam, Corban and Bostick. I'm sorry but that is not a bad OL signing class. All had good size and high school careers. Then we signed Counts, Evans and Henderson of which only one has seen any significant action. The 12 class had Collmar, Fernandez and Privette and in 13 we added big bodies of Collins and Gossett. Since the 08 and 09 debacles we have recruited good OL in numbers and size. Where we seemed to have failed is in the development of these linemen. The lightest linemen that we recruited over the past 2 years was 273 and the shortest was 6'2". We have the beef, we just need to coach em up. I have heard that it takes longer to really coach an OL in college and usually 2-3 years in the program before you see them on the field in significant ways. With that in mind, our recruiting issues should have resulted in really bad OL play in the two season starting in 2010 and going through 2012, since then we should have had enough beef in the pipeline if we were coaching properly. I'm tired of hearing about the bad recruiting of OL, it did exist but we have weathered that storm and still came out with rings. I place the blame on coaching and development at this stage over recruiting.

[Gonzo]

This man had us in shape.


Mike Kent was an incredible S&C coach. Look no further than the '09 vs '11 ECU game. In 2009, our superior conditioning wore down the Pirate's in the hot Greenville sun. We were perhaps 1 minute away from upsetting ECU at Dowdy. We lost him to Colorado State the following year and the conditioning battle in the hot Greenville sun in 2011 went the opposite way. We started hot and were absolutely worn down in the fourth quarter.

Now this year we're being run off our own field after running out of gas against teams against whom we're supposed to have superior depth.

[Appsolutely]

"I tried to say after Montana game how much of a joke the strength program was for the football team. The physicality of both lines is shining through now. Small guys. Not tough. And weight room hasn't helped them"

This is the most telling point to me, we don't seem to be in the same kind of condition as previous teams. We don't appear to be as strong or as in shape as our previous teams. Everyone wants to keep saying the OL recruiting issues, but those should have plagued the team 2-3 years ago and we still won conference titles 2 of those years and went to the playoffs in all of them. The last miss on OL recruiting was the 09 class where we only signed Storm Moore and lost him before the season. That is a terrible Ol recruiting but interestingly enough, there were 3 future NFL players in that class (Cadet, Kimbrough, McCray). At best any Ol from that class would be a 5th year senior and more than likely would be gone by now anyway. The next class we signed Barnard, Fisher, Jones, Lam, Corban and Bostick. I'm sorry but that is not a bad OL signing class. All had good size and high school careers. Then we signed Counts, Evans and Henderson of which only one has seen any significant action. The 12 class had Collmar, Fernandez and Privette and in 13 we added big bodies of Collins and Gossett. Since the 08 and 09 debacles we have recruited good OL in numbers and size. Where we seemed to have failed is in the development of these linemen. The lightest linemen that we recruited over the past 2 years was 273 and the shortest was 6'2". We have the beef, we just need to coach em up. I have heard that it takes longer to really coach an OL in college and usually 2-3 years in the program before you see them on the field in significant ways. With that in mind, our recruiting issues should have resulted in really bad OL play in the two season starting in 2010 and going through 2012, since then we should have had enough beef in the pipeline if we were coaching properly. I'm tired of hearing about the bad recruiting of OL, it did exist but we have weathered that storm and still came out with rings. I place the blame on coaching and development at this stage over recruiting.

That's what happens when you run your program "on the cheap." And that is not a criticism of Kareem Young as much as it is a criticism of an over-riding philosophy of our entire athletic program, when it comes to personnel.

[PhillyApp1]

"I tried to say after Montana game how much of a joke the strength program was for the football team. The physicality of both lines is shining through now. Small guys. Not tough. And weight room hasn't helped them"

This is the most telling point to me, we don't seem to be in the same kind of condition as previous teams. We don't appear to be as strong or as in shape as our previous teams. Everyone wants to keep saying the OL recruiting issues, but those should have plagued the team 2-3 years ago and we still won conference titles 2 of those years and went to the playoffs in all of them. The last miss on OL recruiting was the 09 class where we only signed Storm Moore and lost him before the season. That is a terrible Ol recruiting but interestingly enough, there were 3 future NFL players in that class (Cadet, Kimbrough, McCray). At best any Ol from that class would be a 5th year senior and more than likely would be gone by now anyway. The next class we signed Barnard, Fisher, Jones, Lam, Corban and Bostick. I'm sorry but that is not a bad OL signing class. All had good size and high school careers. Then we signed Counts, Evans and Henderson of which only one has seen any significant action. The 12 class had Collmar, Fernandez and Privette and in 13 we added big bodies of Collins and Gossett. Since the 08 and 09 debacles we have recruited good OL in numbers and size. Where we seemed to have failed is in the development of these linemen. The lightest linemen that we recruited over the past 2 years was 273 and the shortest was 6'2". We have the beef, we just need to coach em up. I have heard that it takes longer to really coach an OL in college and usually 2-3 years in the program before you see them on the field in significant ways. With that in mind, our recruiting issues should have resulted in really bad OL play in the two season starting in 2010 and going through 2012, since then we should have had enough beef in the pipeline if we were coaching properly. I'm tired of hearing about the bad recruiting of OL, it did exist but we have weathered that storm and still came out with rings. I place the blame on coaching and development at this stage over recruiting.

That's what happens when you run your program "on the cheap." And that is not a criticism of Kareem Young as much as it is a criticism of an over-riding philosophy of our entire athletic program, when it comes to personnel.

This is not an AD being cheap issue !
Otherwise fund the sports department with all your money.
Get off your horse....the players are NOT doing what they need to do.

[Appsolutely]

If you could extract your head from Charlie's fanny long enough to read the post, it says nothing about Charlie being cheap. He has to work within his budget. He does, however, have control of his administrative personnel, including those who are in charge of raising corporate dollars.

So, based on your post, I assume you don't think our coaches, including our S&C coach, have any impact on the performance of our team. Since you are an App grad, I refuse to believe you are that oblivious to the difference a staff can make. Surely, you can't be that clueless.

[PhillyApp1]

If you could extract your head from Charlie's fanny long enough to read the post, it says nothing about Charlie being cheap. He has to work within his budget. He does, however, have control of his administrative personnel, including those who are in charge of raising corporate dollars.

So, based on your post, I assume you don't think our coaches, including our S&C coach, have any impact on the performance of our team. Since you are an App grad, I refuse to believe you are that oblivious to the difference a staff can make. Surely, you can't be that clueless.

I am not clueless but you were much more clear in this last post and NOW fully understand what you are saying.
One- the corp sales department could be more effective
Two- we have lost some good Strength & conditioning coaches because of $$$ and the players are getting pushed around.

I agree with on both

[Appsolutely]

If you could extract your head from Charlie's fanny long enough to read the post, it says nothing about Charlie being cheap. He has to work within his budget. He does, however, have control of his administrative personnel, including those who are in charge of raising corporate dollars.

So, based on your post, I assume you don't think our coaches, including our S&C coach, have any impact on the performance of our team. Since you are an App grad, I refuse to believe you are that oblivious to the difference a staff can make. Surely, you can't be that clueless.

I am not clueless but you were much more clear in this last post and NOW fully understand what you are saying.
One- the corp sales department could be more effective
Two- we have lost some good Strength & conditioning coaches because of $$$ and the players are getting pushed around.

I agree with on both

Thanks...sorry we got crossways...

[PhillyApp1]

No problem

And by the way, while I was up Charlie's Ahole I told him what you meant/posted.....lol

I did express to him about "the lack of physical play" in a game that REQUIRES physical contact.

On the sales side....thay can't afford me either, but I do financially support in the top 1000 for the last 17 years.

I agree that Yosef should hire more SALES people that pay for themselves in returned donations/advertising and more money to pay coaches. Most things require $$$ to succeed but with this team its a up hill battle selling it now.

Thank God I am a Mountaineer for the LONG haul so this shall pass also... It just hurts watching it.

[TheMoody1]

A former player I know spoke to Woody a while back about the team. He was told the talent was good but that he had faster kids at Wofford than we have.

[bcoach]

"I tried to say after Montana game how much of a joke the strength program was for the football team. The physicality of both lines is shining through now. Small guys. Not tough. And weight room hasn't helped them"

This is the most telling point to me, we don't seem to be in the same kind of condition as previous teams. We don't appear to be as strong or as in shape as our previous teams. Everyone wants to keep saying the OL recruiting issues, but those should have plagued the team 2-3 years ago and we still won conference titles 2 of those years and went to the playoffs in all of them. The last miss on OL recruiting was the 09 class where we only signed Storm Moore and lost him before the season. That is a terrible Ol recruiting but interestingly enough, there were 3 future NFL players in that class (Cadet, Kimbrough, McCray). At best any Ol from that class would be a 5th year senior and more than likely would be gone by now anyway. The next class we signed Barnard, Fisher, Jones, Lam, Corban and Bostick. I'm sorry but that is not a bad OL signing class. All had good size and high school careers. Then we signed Counts, Evans and Henderson of which only one has seen any significant action. The 12 class had Collmar, Fernandez and Privette and in 13 we added big bodies of Collins and Gossett. Since the 08 and 09 debacles we have recruited good OL in numbers and size. Where we seemed to have failed is in the development of these linemen. The lightest linemen that we recruited over the past 2 years was 273 and the shortest was 6'2". We have the beef, we just need to coach em up. I have heard that it takes longer to really coach an OL in college and usually 2-3 years in the program before you see them on the field in significant ways. With that in mind, our recruiting issues should have resulted in really bad OL play in the two season starting in 2010 and going through 2012, since then we should have had enough beef in the pipeline if we were coaching properly. I'm tired of hearing about the bad recruiting of OL, it did exist but we have weathered that storm and still came out with rings. I place the blame on coaching and development at this stage over recruiting.

That's what happens when you run your program "on the cheap." And that is not a criticism of Kareem Young as much as it is a criticism of an over-riding philosophy of our entire athletic program, when it comes to personnel.

This is not an AD being cheap issue !
Otherwise fund the sports department with all your money.
Get off your horse....the players are NOT doing what they need to do.

It may not be the AD being cheap but it is his job to get the money necessary to run the program at the level we have attained and that is not happening. I know it is difficult to raise money but that is his responsibility do so. If we don't have the money to attract top tier FCS coaches where will we be in FBS? We have a problem in that area plain and simple. Our S&C coach is a nice guy. I like him a lot but he came from IBM with no credentials as a collage coach. What we need are coaches that other schools are trying to steal from us. That has not happened in a long time. Please don't bring up Western as you would have to admit that doesn't count.

[AppSt94]

I keep hearing about it is the OL and DL. Well I have said all along that I would like to see bigger guys but how many games did we win last year with the same type guys? I keep hearing about how young we are. First how many returning player do we have? Second even young players should be getting a little better each week with good coaching but we are getting worse.

The problem is that our duel threat senior QB is one dimensional. JLL does not want to run and defenses know this. This means that they don't have to account for him in run fits. Also, during the AE years, we scored at will which made the opposing offenses one dimensional. These scenarios would mask alot of opportunities due to neglect.

[Black Saturday]

I keep hearing about it is the OL and DL. Well I have said all along that I would like to see bigger guys but how many games did we win last year with the same type guys? I keep hearing about how young we are. First how many returning player do we have? Second even young players should be getting a little better each week with good coaching but we are getting worse.

The problem is that our duel threat senior QB is one dimensional. JLL does not want to run and defenses know this. This means that they don't have to account for him in run fits. Also, during the AE years, we scored at will which made the opposing offenses one dimensional. These scenarios would mask alot of opportunities due to neglect.

I wish we could see what Cox could do at QB a few series since he is a good threat to take the ball to the house. I haven't seen him throw the ball once, someone mentioned he has played QB, so maybe he can throw the ball? The effective passing gap from the 2 playing QB now might not be that wide. Heck AE didn't become a good passer for a couple of years anyway, but he could break some ankles and run it. Just a hope.......

[Robert Norton]

Mike Kent did not leave because of money. Our S&C team has led us to a team as strong as dirty dishwater.