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[diehardapp18]

Saw this on twitter but I agree

We have seen why burger is QB1 the last 2 weeks.

I keep seeing this and I just dont get it. Burger was abysmal when we saw him. Joey obviously has his flaws and needs to work on the interceptions, but it’s just the way he plays. I simply think his playmaking more than offsets the 1-2 mental errors you get from him each game. We scored 41 points tonight that should always be plenty. Joey had nearly 400 all purpose yards.

7-11 with a TD all while having a broken finger????? That's not abysmal

Completion % is such an overrated stat when evaluating QB performance. I agree it’s unfair to get a full judgement on his play considering it was the first half of the first game and we don’t know when he got hurt. But the reality is our offense looked woeful with Burger in the game against Gardner Webb but lethal with Aguilar in.

With Aguilar at QB we’ve had games scoring 45, 34 (against a top 15 team), 43, 19, and 41. The obvious outlier is Wyoming and even that game we had like 450 APY. Not like we were being stonewalled. The turnovers are certainly frustrating, but our offensive production has been really good under his run at QB. I’m still nowhere near ready to try burger again

[8993]

I honestly don't understand how there are still Clark homers on here.

There's rooting for your team, which also means rooting for your coaching staff as they lead said team, but then there's blindly making up excuse after excuse after excuse for why Clark (or any coach at any program across the nation) deserve more grace after continuing to make the same mistakes time and time again. There have been massive gaps in our defense for two seasons now, our offense play calling is conservative at best, and our clock management makes very little sense. These are directly tied to our coaching staff.

And even with a new coaching staff this year, we're still seeing the same issues, which points me in one direction: the Head Coach.

Listen, I love a feel good story as much as the next person, but Clark playing under Jerry Moore and being an App guy through and through only carries you so far. What you do with that backstory is what really matters and just performing averagely at App State isn't an option. We can either be a Boise State, consistently being in the national conversation as a program vying for that top G5 spot, or we can be an ECU, having peaked some years back and still trying to recapture the moment. I don't want us to be echoing what ECU fans say these days, but I also am not going to put on blinders and pretend that Clark & Co. are leading this program to great heights.

For context, Clark is currently 28-15 as HC, a record that doesn't look bad on paper, but when you consider that 18 of those games were decided by a TD or less, that doesn't give you the most confidence that we're seeing constant improvement here. Just my two cents.

[ASUTodd]

Saw this on twitter but I agree

We have seen why burger is QB1 the last 2 weeks.

I keep seeing this and I just dont get it. Burger was abysmal when we saw him. Joey obviously has his flaws and needs to work on the interceptions, but it’s just the way he plays. I simply think his playmaking more than offsets the 1-2 mental errors you get from him each game. We scored 41 points tonight that should always be plenty. Joey had nearly 400 all purpose yards.

7-11 with a TD all while having a broken finger????? That's not abysmal

Completion % is such an overrated stat when evaluating QB performance. I agree it’s unfair to get a full judgement on his play considering it was the first half of the first game and we don’t know when he got hurt. But the reality is our offense looked woeful with Burger in the game against Gardner Webb but lethal with Aguilar in.

With Aguilar at QB we’ve had games scoring 45, 34 (against a top 15 team), 43, 19, and 41. The obvious outlier is Wyoming and even that game we had like 450 APY. Not like we were being stonewalled. The turnovers are certainly frustrating, but our offensive production has been really good under his run at QB. I’m still nowhere near ready to try burger again

Clark said he got hurt on 4th play of the game, if memory serves me correctly.

[Saint3333]

During Clark’s era we have only lost two by more than two TDs. That is excellent, we are winning more than we lose and scores are close when we lose.

We are 8-11 in road games, 6-5 his first two years, 2-6 the last two years.

We are 7-10 in one score games. 4-3 the first two years, 3-7 the last two.

Seven games left. The next three are all easier than the last four. Good teams get better in October and November.

[Black Saturday]

I honestly don't understand how there are still Clark homers on here.

There's rooting for your team, which also means rooting for your coaching staff as they lead said team, but then there's blindly making up excuse after excuse after excuse for why Clark (or any coach at any program across the nation) deserve more grace after continuing to make the same mistakes time and time again. There have been massive gaps in our defense for two seasons now, our offense play calling is conservative at best, and our clock management makes very little sense. These are directly tied to our coaching staff.

And even with a new coaching staff this year, we're still seeing the same issues, which points me in one direction: the Head Coach.

Listen, I love a feel good story as much as the next person, but Clark playing under Jerry Moore and being an App guy through and through only carries you so far. What you do with that backstory is what really matters and just performing averagely at App State isn't an option. We can either be a Boise State, consistently being in the national conversation as a program vying for that top G5 spot, or we can be an ECU, having peaked some years back and still trying to recapture the moment. I don't want us to be echoing what ECU fans say these days, but I also am not going to put on blinders and pretend that Clark & Co. are leading this program to great heights.

For context, Clark is currently 28-15 as HC, a record that doesn't look bad on paper, but when you consider that 18 of those games were decided by a TD or less, that doesn't give you the most confidence that we're seeing constant improvement here. Just my two cents.

Let's remember Satterfield had nearly the exact same 2/3 winning percentage while at APP too. Comparing different years quality of wins is akin to comparing apples and oranges.

[Saint3333]

Satt stepped up to the FBS with one of the worst rosters App has had since 2003-2004.

Shawn had some difficulties with COVID and TP, but still plenty of NFL draft picks and FA signings.

[ASUFan4863]

I honestly don't understand how there are still Clark homers on here.

There's rooting for your team, which also means rooting for your coaching staff as they lead said team, but then there's blindly making up excuse after excuse after excuse for why Clark (or any coach at any program across the nation) deserve more grace after continuing to make the same mistakes time and time again. There have been massive gaps in our defense for two seasons now, our offense play calling is conservative at best, and our clock management makes very little sense. These are directly tied to our coaching staff.

And even with a new coaching staff this year, we're still seeing the same issues, which points me in one direction: the Head Coach.

Listen, I love a feel good story as much as the next person, but Clark playing under Jerry Moore and being an App guy through and through only carries you so far. What you do with that backstory is what really matters and just performing averagely at App State isn't an option. We can either be a Boise State, consistently being in the national conversation as a program vying for that top G5 spot, or we can be an ECU, having peaked some years back and still trying to recapture the moment. I don't want us to be echoing what ECU fans say these days, but I also am not going to put on blinders and pretend that Clark & Co. are leading this program to great heights.

For context, Clark is currently 28-15 as HC, a record that doesn't look bad on paper, but when you consider that 18 of those games were decided by a TD or less, that doesn't give you the most confidence that we're seeing constant improvement here. Just my two cents.

Good thing we had those 3 timeouts at the end. Piss poor clock management.

Our defense has played good this season before ULM and MUCH better than last season. I’m not ready to throw in the towel on them yet. There were massive gaps. What did Clark do? Hit the portal hard and make changes to the defensive staff. ULM will prove to be the outlier.

I’m not saying Clark is perfect or can’t say I’m more confident in him after yesterdays game. But, I will say that to continually bash him for things he has actually done well is absurd.

WE WON. We just had back to back long away trips, turned it over 4 times, played terrible on defense, but WE WON. In my opinion, the turnovers are the biggest issue right now. Not the defense.

[Black Saturday]

Satt stepped up to the FBS with one of the worst rosters App has had since 2003-2004.

Shawn had some difficulties with COVID and TP, but still plenty of NFL draft picks and FA signings.

Here's some nifty little stats that doesn't mean anything but

Mack Brown - UNC and Craig Bohl - Wyoming both of whom we have just barely lost to this season. Both have won National Championships and carry the burden of 2/3 winning percentages. Terry Bowden has a Natty and we just barely won against him has a less than stellar winning percentage W 185 / L -132. 58%
Will Clark ever win a Natty, nope, but his winning percentage is in good company.

[Saint3333]

Satt stepped up to the FBS with one of the worst rosters App has had since 2003-2004.

Shawn had some difficulties with COVID and TP, but still plenty of NFL draft picks and FA signings.

Here's some nifty little stats that doesn't mean anything but

Mack Brown - UNC and Craig Bohl - Wyoming both of whom we have just barely lost to this season. Both have won National Championships and carry the burden of 2/3 winning percentages. Terry Bowden has a Natty and we just barely won against him has a less than stellar winning percentage W 185 / L -132. 58%
Will Clark ever win a Natty, nope, but his winning percentage is in good company.

I posted some stats on our road record and records in one score games earlier. Need to improve those over the next seven games or not have one score games in our favor to help all Mountaineers heart health.

[Bigdaddyg1]

So basically every coach whose team doesn't win 80% of their games should be fired? It's mathematically impossible for every coach to win at a rate that some perceive as acceptable. I didn't watch really any of the game but kept up with it on my phone. We still put up some crazy offensive stats. IF we had been on the losing end we join the sub .500 club that includes Coastal and ECU. It's hard to win games. People act like the coaches can magically make it happen all the time. The ball bounces funny and shit happens.

[ah59396]

Our fan base has lost its damn mind.

[AppDub]

Saw this on twitter but I agree

We have seen why burger is QB1 the last 2 weeks.

I keep seeing this and I just dont get it. Burger was abysmal when we saw him. Joey obviously has his flaws and needs to work on the interceptions, but it’s just the way he plays. I simply think his playmaking more than offsets the 1-2 mental errors you get from him each game. We scored 41 points tonight that should always be plenty. Joey had nearly 400 all purpose yards.

Too small of a sample size to rule Burger out of the mix. Not saying he is a fix or change the outome as QB1, but we just didn't see enough to know. Here is what I do think we know.
1- Burger was named the starter for a reason. (Clark has said repeatedly on interviews that Joey drives him nuts. Im guessing it's because of protecting the ball).
2- Joey has come in as a backup and helped this team compete at a high level on the offensive side of the ball, with a few mistakes mind you. However, he has helped put up a lot of points and many teams would be 0-5 or slightly better with their Q2 on the field this early in the season. Glad we have JA.
3- The coaches will have a decision to make at some point at that position and either way we should have a chance to continue with the offense production or get even better going forward. If Burger comes back and beats Joey out, we should be better. If JA cleans up his play and holds Burger off, we should be better. Either way I like our chances.

[AppSt12]

During Clark’s era we have only lost two by more than two TDs. That is excellent, we are winning more than we lose and scores are close when we lose.

We are 8-11 in road games, 6-5 his first two years, 2-6 the last two years.

We are 7-10 in one score games. 4-3 the first two years, 3-7 the last two.

Seven games left. The next three are all easier than the last four. Good teams get better in October and November.

And thats the problem. Every clark team has gotten much worse is october and november.

[ASUFan4863]

During Clark’s era we have only lost two by more than two TDs. That is excellent, we are winning more than we lose and scores are close when we lose.

We are 8-11 in road games, 6-5 his first two years, 2-6 the last two years.

We are 7-10 in one score games. 4-3 the first two years, 3-7 the last two.

Seven games left. The next three are all easier than the last four. Good teams get better in October and November.

And thats the problem. Every clark team has gotten much worse is october and november.

I’m sorry but that’s just not true. Everyone seems to forget anything beyond last season.

[GSUwasGump’sFallbackSchool]

During Clark’s era we have only lost two by more than two TDs. That is excellent, we are winning more than we lose and scores are close when we lose.

We are 8-11 in road games, 6-5 his first two years, 2-6 the last two years.

We are 7-10 in one score games. 4-3 the first two years, 3-7 the last two.

Seven games left. The next three are all easier than the last four. Good teams get better in October and November.

And thats the problem. Every clark team has gotten much worse is october and november.

I’m sorry but that’s just not true. Everyone seems to forget anything beyond last season.

Look up the stats of the ‘21 the last couple weeks and the post-season. They did their heavy lifting production wise in the first 2/3rds of the season.

[DenverOfTheEast]

During Clark’s era we have only lost two by more than two TDs. That is excellent, we are winning more than we lose and scores are close when we lose.

We are 8-11 in road games, 6-5 his first two years, 2-6 the last two years.

We are 7-10 in one score games. 4-3 the first two years, 3-7 the last two.

Seven games left. The next three are all easier than the last four. Good teams get better in October and November.

And thats the problem. Every clark team has gotten much worse is october and november.

And I can argue that the emotions of the September in 2022, UNC game, Texas A and M win, Troy hail Mary, ESPN Gameday takes a toll on a team in October and November (goes back to non conference poor scheduling on Dougie's part)

Most teams may have one big game but not all that App has had in Sept 2022 and Sept 2023 (UNC, ECU at Wyoming)

App State players and coaches are humans.

IF Clark worked in private Business and he closed on 65% of his business deals you Walker school of Business gurus would would explode on your desk over him making you money. But a football coach winning 65% of his games isn't good enough.

[Saint3333]

Our fan base has lost its damn mind.

There are some very objective posts in this thread, but it is easier to put everyone in the two extreme camps. Luckily the person making the decisions is level headed and objective as well.

Yesterday was not as overall positive, everyone can agree I hope. 10 days to get better and really a month before the meat of the conference season, growth in October is going to decide a lot for this program.

[Saint3333]

A 65% winning percentage this season would be enough for me.

I know however the goal posts will be moved if it isn’t achieved.

[RankinApp]

A 65% winning percentage this season would be enough for me.

I know however the goal posts will be moved if it isn’t achieved.

Ding ding. I'm going to guess this is what many of us (other than the 6-6 is acceptable because the conference is hard group) find acceptable.

App has a .645 win percentage on Winsipedia. Good for 16th all time. Prior to last year it was over .650 and 15th. Coastal is now in that spot.

I think it's fair, given our resources, supposedly decent recruiting classes, facilities, not to mention history of punching well above our weight class that we should be able to maintain that level of success.

[appgrad95&97]

A 65% winning percentage this season would be enough for me.

I know however the goal posts will be moved if it isn’t achieved.

Are you say 7-5 or 8-4 would be good enough for you?