EXPANDING STADIUM TO 40k CAPACITY

[Tru2ASU]

I don't doubt him. I think there was a rush to cash in after the Texas A&M win, but reality, inflation, and the need to finish the 105 project kicked in, as I think they want to finish East side along side some other athletics projects.

East expansion will happen.

[BallantyneApp]

this is just a matter of semantics.

To most people, fully funded means having cash or cash equivalents (like seat deposits, vetted donations etc OR debt/loans issued).

having some cash/cash equivalent and the ability to issue debt or take a loan is "funding availability", not fully funded.

I'm sure AD DG chose his words specifically to convey a sense of progress, which is part of his remit as AD, but its misleading IMO.

[311neers]

this is just a matter of semantics.

To most people, fully funded means having cash or cash equivalents (like seat deposits, vetted donations etc OR debt/loans issued).

having some cash/cash equivalent and the ability to issue debt or take a loan is "funding availability", not fully funded.

I'm sure AD DG chose his words specifically to convey a sense of progress, which is part of his remit as AD, but its misleading IMO.

Agree here. In the development world, fully funded is funds secured in hand/cash or debt issued ready to be deployed.

[fjblair]

Make it stop.

[bcoach]

this is just a matter of semantics.

To most people, fully funded means having cash or cash equivalents (like seat deposits, vetted donations etc OR debt/loans issued).

having some cash/cash equivalent and the ability to issue debt or take a loan is "funding availability", not fully funded.

I'm sure AD DG chose his words specifically to convey a sense of progress, which is part of his remit as AD, but its misleading IMO.

Agree here. In the development world, fully funded is funds secured in hand/cash or debt issued ready to be deployed.

I look at it also from the Real Estate/ developer world and that is what it means to us. So the whole thing could simply that we are looking at it from different worlds. From my point of view it will happen when it happens. I just hope it is not debt in this market.

[hapapp]

Will the East tower project go the same route as the 105 project in terms of funding?

[AppSt94]

Will the East tower project go the same route as the 105 project in terms of funding?

I think that the lack of detail is what has sparked this debate.

[appgrad95&97]

Will the East tower project go the same route as the 105 project in terms of funding?

I think that the lack of detail is what has sparked this debate.

Exactly. And for AppStateNews to say folks who ask these questions "know nothing" is so disrespectful.

[AppStateNews]

Will the East tower project go the same route as the 105 project in terms of funding?

I think that the lack of detail is what has sparked this debate.

Exactly. And for AppStateNews to say folks who ask these questions "know nothing" is so disrespectful.

Asking the questions isn't what makes you know nothing... It's the constant "I don't like your answer so you're wrong.. I know it. I don't have any proof of it, but my gut says so so it has to be true" that shows you know nothing yet still are trying to battle it.

I've given my source. I've given the time frame. I've given the details I've been told are allowed to give. Again, you don't have to believe me. That's your right. But don't keep arguing against it and in the same sentence say you don't have any clue about it.

As has been discussed numerous times, the current economic landscape changed priorities and thus, the timelines.

[appgrad95&97]

Will the East tower project go the same route as the 105 project in terms of funding?

I think that the lack of detail is what has sparked this debate.

Exactly. And for AppStateNews to say folks who ask these questions "know nothing" is so disrespectful.

Asking the questions isn't what makes you know nothing... It's the constant "I don't like your answer so you're wrong.. I know it. I don't have any proof of it, but my gut says so so it has to be true" that shows you know nothing yet still are trying to battle it.

I've given my source. I've given the time frame. I've given the details I've been told are allowed to give. Again, you don't have to believe me. That's your right. But don't keep arguing against it and in the same sentence say you don't have any clue about it.

As has been discussed numerous times, the current economic landscape changed priorities and thus, the timelines.

You have given nothing. Absolutely nothing. Not a single fact. Not a date, not a budget, not a single detail, not anything other than "Doug told me and I can't say any more". You need to read the actual words you write. If you did you might understand the sckeptiticisam

[AppStateNews]

Will the East tower project go the same route as the 105 project in terms of funding?

I think that the lack of detail is what has sparked this debate.

Exactly. And for AppStateNews to say folks who ask these questions "know nothing" is so disrespectful.

Asking the questions isn't what makes you know nothing... It's the constant "I don't like your answer so you're wrong.. I know it. I don't have any proof of it, but my gut says so so it has to be true" that shows you know nothing yet still are trying to battle it.

I've given my source. I've given the time frame. I've given the details I've been told are allowed to give. Again, you don't have to believe me. That's your right. But don't keep arguing against it and in the same sentence say you don't have any clue about it.

As has been discussed numerous times, the current economic landscape changed priorities and thus, the timelines.

You have given nothing. Absolutely nothing. Not a single fact. Not a date, not a budget, not a single detail l, not anything other than "Doug told me and I can't say any more". You need to read the actual words you write. If you did you might understand the sckeptiticisam

Hmmm

Who: About 50 former student athletes
What: Revealed renderings of new east side. Discussion ensued. Plan to receive funds revealed. Said funder has verbal agreement and they are dealing with red tape to make official. A week later, renderings revealed to public (although, this was sooner than they wanted but they also wanted to capitalize on the excitement of the season to this point).
Where: Boone, NC for former athletes association meeting
When: Friday, Sept 16
Source: Doug Gillin

Seems to me I have provided all the pertinent information of what I have claimed. You just choose to be skeptical of the claim. Again, that's your right.

But don't ask questions, get back an answer, and respond with "nope, you're wrong. I know it! I know you are! I don't have any reason to know that, but I just know it! HA HA!"

[appgrad95&97]

I think that the lack of detail is what has sparked this debate.

Exactly. And for AppStateNews to say folks who ask these questions "know nothing" is so disrespectful.

Asking the questions isn't what makes you know nothing... It's the constant "I don't like your answer so you're wrong.. I know it. I don't have any proof of it, but my gut says so so it has to be true" that shows you know nothing yet still are trying to battle it.

I've given my source. I've given the time frame. I've given the details I've been told are allowed to give. Again, you don't have to believe me. That's your right. But don't keep arguing against it and in the same sentence say you don't have any clue about it.

As has been discussed numerous times, the current economic landscape changed priorities and thus, the timelines.

You have given nothing. Absolutely nothing. Not a single fact. Not a date, not a budget, not a single detail l, not anything other than "Doug told me and I can't say any more". You need to read the actual words you write. If you did you might understand the sckeptiticisam

Hmmm

Who: About 50 former student athletes
What: Revealed renderings of new east side. Discussion ensued. Plan to receive funds revealed. Said funder has verbal agreement and they are dealing with red tape to make official. A week later, renderings revealed to public (although, this was sooner than they wanted but they also wanted to capitalize on the excitement of the season to this point).
Where: Boone, NC for former athletes association meeting
When: Friday, Sept 16
Source: Doug Gillin

Seems to me I have provided all the pertinent information of what I have claimed. You just choose to be skeptical of the claim. Again, that's your right.

But don't ask questions, get back an answer, and respond with "nope, you're wrong. I know it! I know you are! I don't have any reason to know that, but I just know it! HA HA!"

You saw a painting before the rest of us. Are their plans? Is there a budget? You know funding is secured, so you have to know how much it will cost. So tell us.

[appgrad95&97]

Honestly, I'll quit. I won't say anything else if you can tell us how much money has been secured. Nine months ago you said "funding secured". I'm not asking from whom, or even how, just how much has been secured?

[AppStateNews]

Exactly. And for AppStateNews to say folks who ask these questions "know nothing" is so disrespectful.

Asking the questions isn't what makes you know nothing... It's the constant "I don't like your answer so you're wrong.. I know it. I don't have any proof of it, but my gut says so so it has to be true" that shows you know nothing yet still are trying to battle it.

I've given my source. I've given the time frame. I've given the details I've been told are allowed to give. Again, you don't have to believe me. That's your right. But don't keep arguing against it and in the same sentence say you don't have any clue about it.

As has been discussed numerous times, the current economic landscape changed priorities and thus, the timelines.

You have given nothing. Absolutely nothing. Not a single fact. Not a date, not a budget, not a single detail l, not anything other than "Doug told me and I can't say any more". You need to read the actual words you write. If you did you might understand the sckeptiticisam

Hmmm

Who: About 50 former student athletes
What: Revealed renderings of new east side. Discussion ensued. Plan to receive funds revealed. Said funder has verbal agreement and they are dealing with red tape to make official. A week later, renderings revealed to public (although, this was sooner than they wanted but they also wanted to capitalize on the excitement of the season to this point).
Where: Boone, NC for former athletes association meeting
When: Friday, Sept 16
Source: Doug Gillin

Seems to me I have provided all the pertinent information of what I have claimed. You just choose to be skeptical of the claim. Again, that's your right.

But don't ask questions, get back an answer, and respond with "nope, you're wrong. I know it! I know you are! I don't have any reason to know that, but I just know it! HA HA!"

You saw a painting before the rest of us. Are their plans? Is there a budget? You know funding is secured, so you have to know how much it will cost. So tell us.

Yes, I saw the renderings before the public saw it and had in depth conversations with several other very excited former athletes and leadership within Yosef Club. believe it or not, things happen behind the scenes WAY before the public hears about it. Like I said about Holmes (and yes, I know the state funded it so it may be a little different), funding was in place for 5 years before it was announced by Mr. Holmes he was going to try to get funding from the state. This is normal in fundraising/planing at public Universities

Last I heard (and I have said this before), the plans, approvals, etc are currently under way. Then comes more red tape. Then a little more. Then comes the bidding. Then more red tape. It's a slow process.

Is there a budget? I would assume so considering its been agreed to fund. I am unsure how the current economic conditions impact said agreement and/or agreed upon budget. Do I know that budget? Not precisely, but I have heard numbers that were thrown around in the discussion. I am not going to put those numbers on a public forum as they were not confirmed to be 100% accurate (although, heavily hinted at).

Again, you can be skeptical. I honestly don't blame the skepticism at all. But, don't start going off on tirades simply because you don't like my answer with the information I am willing to give out on a public forum on a topic you, admittedly, don't have any knowledge about.

People ask questions, I answer the ones I can with the knowledge I have/last given. You (and others) may not like the answers, but there's nothing I can do about that.

[appstate24]

Honestly, I quit reading this back-and-forth along time ago, and I’m sure I’m not the only one. Historically, News has been accurate in almost everything he posts. I tend to believe what he saying, doesn’t mean anybody else has to.

I think we all agree that the East side expansion is coming, and we are all excited about it.

Can we please put this back-and-forth to bed for a while?

GO APPS!!

[ArmantiWaterSafety]

Seriously, this has turned weird. I don't understand why we're so upset someone won't reveal information that is not available for the public, as when it is made public you'll have all the information and knowing it now will not a change a SINGLE thing about the outcome of who/what/when/where/why/how.

If you don't want to believe someone that's your prerogative, but trying to force information out of him by calling him a liar is a strange tactic.

[Tru2ASU]

Seriously, this has turned weird. I don't understand why we're so upset someone won't reveal information that is not available for the public, as when it is made public you'll have all the information and knowing it now will not a change a SINGLE thing about the outcome of who/what/when/where/why/how.

If you don't want to believe someone that's your prerogative, but trying to force information out of him by calling him a liar is a strange tactic.

Agreed.

[Tru2ASU]

From where I stand on campus, AppStateNews hasn't lied or put out false info. He knows as much /more than the rest, and is only trying to share. Which I'm sure sometimes he regrets. Lol.

[appdaze]

DG: We have some people that will give us a bag of money. We want to build things with it. It will make us more bags of money. That is all I can say for now, as there are other building projects to complete first.

Cabin Members: All right. Where is the poison? The battle of wits has begun. It ends when you decide, and we both drink, and find out who is right... and who is dead.

DG: I'm on your side. There is no poison. I just want this school to be as successful as possible.

Cabin Memebers: But it's so simple. All I have to do is divine from what I know of you: are you the sort of man who would put the poison into his own goblet or his enemy's? Now, a clever man would put the poison into his own goblet, because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he was given. I am not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool; you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.

DG: Truly, I am not trying to poison anyone, and I didn't provide the wine tonight. It was catered. I'm just letting you know we have a plan in place to build something that will be positive for us in the long run. Does that make sense?

Cabin Members: Not remotely. Because iocane comes from Australia, as everyone knows, and Australia is entirely peopled with criminals, and criminals are used to having people not trust them, as you are not trusted by me, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you.

DG: Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.

Cabin Members: Wait till I get going! Now, where was I?

DG: Australia

Cabin Members: Yes, Australia. And you must have suspected I would have known the powder's origin, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.

DG: Honestly, the wine is clean. We had it catered in. Does anyone else have any questions?

Cabin Members: You'd like to think that, wouldn't you? You've beaten my giant, which means you're exceptionally strong, so you could've put the poison in your own goblet, trusting on your strength to save you, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But, you've also bested my Spaniard, which means you must have studied, and in studying you must have learned that man is mortal, so you would have put the poison as far from yourself as possible, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.

DG: You're trying to trick me into giving away something. It won't work.

Cabin Members: You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - the most famous of which is "never get involved in a land war in Asia" - but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line"!

DG: I've been assured the money is in the bag, and I believe that the money is in the bag with enough confidence that I am saying it publicly.

Cabin Members: As I told you, it would be absolutely, totally, and in all other ways inconceivable!

DG:................ sigh.............“There are no words to contain all my wisdom. I am so cunning, crafty and clever, so filled with deceit, guile and chicanery, such a knave, so shrewd, cagey as well as calculating, as diabolical as I am vulpine, as tricky as I am untrustworthy…”

Cabine Members: Can we get some seats with arms instead of aluminum bleachers?

DG: Can someone bring me a poisoned wine cup?

[GreatAppSt]

DG: We have some people that will give us a bag of money. We want to build things with it. It will make us more bags of money. That is all I can say for now, as there are other building projects to complete first.

Cabin Members: All right. Where is the poison? The battle of wits has begun. It ends when you decide, and we both drink, and find out who is right... and who is dead.

DG: I'm on your side. There is no poison. I just want this school to be as successful as possible.

Cabin Memebers: But it's so simple. All I have to do is divine from what I know of you: are you the sort of man who would put the poison into his own goblet or his enemy's? Now, a clever man would put the poison into his own goblet, because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he was given. I am not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool; you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.

DG: Truly, I am not trying to poison anyone, and I didn't provide the wine tonight. It was catered. I'm just letting you know we have a plan in place to build something that will be positive for us in the long run. Does that make sense?

Cabin Members: Not remotely. Because iocane comes from Australia, as everyone knows, and Australia is entirely peopled with criminals, and criminals are used to having people not trust them, as you are not trusted by me, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you.

DG: Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.

Cabin Members: Wait till I get going! Now, where was I?

DG: Australia

Cabin Members: Yes, Australia. And you must have suspected I would have known the powder's origin, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.

DG: Honestly, the wine is clean. We had it catered in. Does anyone else have any questions?

Cabin Members: You'd like to think that, wouldn't you? You've beaten my giant, which means you're exceptionally strong, so you could've put the poison in your own goblet, trusting on your strength to save you, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But, you've also bested my Spaniard, which means you must have studied, and in studying you must have learned that man is mortal, so you would have put the poison as far from yourself as possible, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.

DG: You're trying to trick me into giving away something. It won't work.

Cabin Members: You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - the most famous of which is "never get involved in a land war in Asia" - but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line"!

DG: I've been assured the money is in the bag, and I believe that the money is in the bag with enough confidence that I am saying it publicly.

Cabin Members: As I told you, it would be absolutely, totally, and in all other ways inconceivable!

DG:................ sigh.............“There are no words to contain all my wisdom. I am so cunning, crafty and clever, so filled with deceit, guile and chicanery, such a knave, so shrewd, cagey as well as calculating, as diabolical as I am vulpine, as tricky as I am untrustworthy…”

Cabine Members: Can we get some seats with arms instead of aluminum bleachers?

DG: Can someone bring me a poisoned wine cup?

Ah, the off season.