Liberty question

[NewApp]

This may be the wrong thread but....

After listening to S. Miss, watching in person GSU and not SA, the recruiting required to make this move was NOT in place prior, and maybe not to be a strong FCS team.

We are physically and athletically overmatched right now with the FBS schedule we are playing. That being said.....we'd be probably winning in the SoCon but I could not stand that. I do not think our coaching staff has lost anyone, or anything. We are just simply physically and athletically overmatched right now.

Now effort is a whole other story. I expect us to compete, and where heart and intent come together, good things can hAPPen.

We have been physically out matched in the fcs for years too when we reached the playoffs.

Well I don't quite remember that the same as you - In '08 we lost to Richmond because Armanti was hurt and they went on to win the NC --- In '09 we lost at Montana in a game which could have gone either way --- In '10 we lost to Villanova who were defending national champs and better than us and yes they did overmatch us --- In '11 we lost to Maine which was not a better team than us --- In - '12 we lost to Ill State (unfortunately I missed that one because of a family death) but wasn't it a 1 point game in OT? - again a game which could have gone either way ---

Wasn't by a skinny one point margin?

[AppGrad1]

This may be the wrong thread but....

After listening to S. Miss, watching in person GSU and not SA, the recruiting required to make this move was NOT in place prior, and maybe not to be a strong FCS team.

We are physically and athletically overmatched right now with the FBS schedule we are playing. That being said.....we'd be probably winning in the SoCon but I could not stand that. I do not think our coaching staff has lost anyone, or anything. We are just simply physically and athletically overmatched right now.

Now effort is a whole other story. I expect us to compete, and where heart and intent come together, good things can hAPPen.

We have been physically out matched in the fcs for years too when we reached the playoffs.

Well I don't quite remember that the same as you - In '08 we lost to Richmond because Armanti was hurt and they went on to win the NC --- In '09 we lost at Montana in a game which could have gone either way --- In '10 we lost to Villanova who were defending national champs and better than us and yes they did overmatch us --- In '11 we lost to Maine which was not a better team than us --- In - '12 we lost to Ill State (unfortunately I missed that one because of a family death) but wasn't it a 1 point game in OT? - again a game which could have gone either way ---

The game I watched Maine dominated us.

[WVAPPeer]

"The game I watched Maine dominated us."

That's true but my point with this game is I didn't feel they dominated us because they were bigger and better - I thought APP was the better team but not that day - Maine came to play with a solid game plan and our guys just weren't into it ---

[MJ1988]

Well, this just became the same old song. We can't win or compete because of things done prior to this coaching staff taking controll. Again, I ask the question, should this coaching staff be able to take the players we have and beat a good FCS team? I'm not asking about the previous coaching staff and or their success or failure. I'm asking about the current coaching staff. What can and should we expect from them?

[WVAPPeer]

Well, this just became the same old song. We can't win or compete because of things done prior to this coaching staff taking controll. Again, I ask the question, should this coaching staff be able to take the players we have and beat a good FCS team? I'm not asking about the previous coaching staff and or their success or failure. I'm asking about the current coaching staff. What can and should we expect from them?

I believe I was the first one to give you a straight answer ---

[YesAppCan]

1st, yes they should be able to beat a good FCS team with what they have right now. Does that mean if that FCS game was played 10 times would we win all 10, I kind of doubt it. I expect improvement game to game, don't know if I have seen too much yet. Do I expect the staff to walk on water or pull magic victory rabbits out of Yosef's hat? No. I had high hopes that this transition would go much smoother than what we've seen so far. I do believe time and some patience should be extended. I personally don't want to see many games like last Saturday where we don't look competitive but am willing for this to play out the rest of this year and see where we are at the end of this season. We are, after all, still in the 2 year transition (officially). I will be at The Rock next Saturday and be there believing we should win the game.

[AppAttack]

I ask and challenge everyone not to give up on this team. Please continue giving your full support. Show up to the games, yell, stay to the end. We need to remain patient. If not it could do long-term damage to the program. None of us want that to happen after all this university and football team have given to us throughout our lives.

[Saint3333]

Well, this just became the same old song. We can't win or compete because of things done prior to this coaching staff taking controll. Again, I ask the question, should this coaching staff be able to take the players we have and beat a good FCS team? I'm not asking about the previous coaching staff and or their success or failure. I'm asking about the current coaching staff. What can and should we expect from them?

The question has been answered you just didn't like the answer go back and read prior posts.

[MJ1988]

Saint,
I really didn't care if people said yes or no. I just wanted to see if folks had any real expectations for this coaching staff. Wanted to know what people thought it might be resonable for them to achieve with the players they have right now. On a side note I think it's healthy for folks to say, this is where we are and this is who we have now let's go find a way to get it done. Excuses don't solve problems.

[Rick0714]

I don't think I'm really getting what your digging for, but I will say this. This staff SHOULD be able to coach us to a win. We SHOULD be win. But they don't say "any given Saturday" for nothing. Michigan SHOULD have beat us in '07. Doesn't mean a thing. It all comes down to execution and thus far our coaches have not had us prepared and our players haven't executed. With that said, the second year of a new coach is hardly the time to be passing judgement. We all HOPE that the S&C program has improved. We all HOPE that the "best guys are on the sidelines" guys are right, though I have my doubts. Its counter-intuitive to what competition is all about. As a former player and a coach for the last 15+ years, I've never seen anyone keep a guy sitting if he gave the team a better chance to win. I know we have talent on the bench, but I also know some of the most talented guys don't always grasp the game right away and thus are not really ready. We SHOULD still win 3-4 more games this year. If we get shutout, my patience may get much, much shorter but for now I think we judge improvement 2-3 years from now.

[EastHallApp]

Yes we should beat Liberty. Before the season, my minimum result I would have considered acceptable for this season was 4-8 and being able to compete with all but maybe the top 2-3 teams in the league.

Maybe that was unrealistic, maybe not. Given how weak the Sun Belt has proven to be, it's hard to set the bar much lower without just laying it on the ground.

[Saint3333]

Saint,
I really didn't care if people said yes or no. I just wanted to see if folks had any real expectations for this coaching staff. Wanted to know what people thought it might be resonable for them to achieve with the players they have right now. On a side note I think it's healthy for folks to say, this is where we are and this is who we have now let's go find a way to get it done. Excuses don't solve problems.

You are changing the question. You asked "should we expect to beat Liberty". That question has been answered.

To answer your new question, my expectation for this coaching staff is we improve each week and be competitive in games, winning four this year. I will not make a win prediction for next year until I see the remainder of this season.

My expectation for our fanbase is we give this staff three if not four years during this transition period and we continue to show up to game and give financially if able the same we did during the good times. Any one can be a fan during the good times, true fans support the program always.

If they aren't competitive in year three and certainly year four I will support a change.

[NewApp]

" Any one can be a fan during the good times, true fans support the program always. "

This is a statement, Saint, with which we should all agree. It's easier said than done, however.

[Saint3333]

" Any one can be a fan during the good times, true fans support the program always. "

This is a statement, Saint, with which we should all agree. It's easier said than done, however.

Doing the right things in life are often times difficult.

[roachgone]

A great quote that seems to apply here. Think about it. Toleration in relationships is a virtue but toleration in truth is a travesty.

[MJ1988]

I support the team, I donate to the Yosef club and haven't missed a home game in 8 years. But part of supporting the team is having an expectation for them and the coaching staff. I have a 16 year old daughter who I would do anything for but I have expectation for her. I just think a lot of folks are giving this coaching staff a pass and it's not good for the staff or the team. I can only hope that some folks who are in power, big donor's and or our athletic director, have pulled Scott aside and told him that he has to do better than this. As a former player I can tell you that if I was on this team I would be insulted by all the talk about playing for the future. I would be thinking, I'm here now, help us find a way to win now coach. We need high expectation for now, not just for the future.

Thanks to all that responded.

[Saint3333]

You don't think Scott knows this and is putting pressure on himself?

People aren't giving him a pass there are giving him a chance.

[AppSt94]

I support the team, I donate to the Yosef club and haven't missed a home game in 8 years. But part of supporting the team is having an expectation for them and the coaching staff. I have a 16 year old daughter who I would do anything for but I have expectation for her. I just think a lot of folks are giving this coaching staff a pass and it's not good for the staff or the team. I can only hope that some folks who are in power, big donor's and or our athletic director, have pulled Scott aside and told him that he has to do better than this. As a former player I can tell you that if I was on this team I would be insulted by all the talk about playing for the future. I would be thinking, I'm here now, help us find a way to win now coach. We need high expectation for now, not just for the future.

Thanks to all that responded.

Expectations are fine, but if you aren't fully versed on the goings on of the program then can you as a fan have realistic expectations? We all want our teams to win but you have to look past the scoreboard to properly examine the state of the program. Did we crap the bed last Saturday? Without question yes. But if you think playing our freshmen this year would make a difference in the product on the field this year then you are mistaken.

[AppSt94]

I support the team, I donate to the Yosef club and haven't missed a home game in 8 years. But part of supporting the team is having an expectation for them and the coaching staff. I have a 16 year old daughter who I would do anything for but I have expectation for her. I just think a lot of folks are giving this coaching staff a pass and it's not good for the staff or the team. I can only hope that some folks who are in power, big donor's and or our athletic director, have pulled Scott aside and told him that he has to do better than this. As a former player I can tell you that if I was on this team I would be insulted by all the talk about playing for the future. I would be thinking, I'm here now, help us find a way to win now coach. We need high expectation for now, not just for the future.

Thanks to all that responded.

I may be in the minority on this but I don't think that being a "Big" donor gives one the right to pull the coach aside and tell him what their expectations are for him. That is stepping across a line and if I am the head coach and someone felt they could tell me how to do my job to their expectations, I would tell them to go F&$@ themselves.

[APPRIDE]

"The game I watched Maine dominated us."

That's true but my point with this game is I didn't feel they dominated us because they were bigger and better - I thought APP was the better team but not that day - Maine came to play with a solid game plan and our guys just weren't into it ---

something about this comment got me to think this question:

With as much hand wringing, analysis, passion, questioning etc. going on in this forum by all of us proud alumni, I wonder how much most of the players are "into it" ? into the whole App experience? and do they/will they have the passion about App that we all have even years later? It just seems sometimes the last few years that we have a band of mercenaries from afar who aren't really into winning for the most important reason...that being because we are APP F'N STATE !