Coastal - 3:30pm - Discussion

[ASUTodd]

Just to play devil's advocate, how does App look better this year (besides the record)? Our defense is still bad and some of the same culprits continue to start. We seem to lack an identity; we are not what I would call a tough team, but not really a finesse team either. Our players continue to make mistakes and play calling is often suspect. Sure we aren't running the ball up the gut 3 times in a row for no gain, but now we pass 3 straight times for no gain so its essentially the same. We seem to learn and grow and play well one week only to regress and lose to teams we should beat the next. I am painting with a broad brush here, but I really don't see much of a difference on these big themes at this point. We weren't a good team and we aren't a good team but not sure I can say our foundations look solid at all. I consider the foundations of any good football team to be the trenches and depth. We have a banged up/bad Oline and a bad Dline as well, both of our trench units are not good and we don't seem to have any depth on the team at all. So yeah, how do we look better?

To my eye we look significantly better.

• Our play calling isn’t as predictable

• We actually run a misdirection play or two

• We’re winning most third-and-short and fourth-and-short situations

• I’ll take Dubinion over any running back we’ve had since Cam Peoples

• Until the Ramseys and Poindexter went out, our offensive line was much better

• Our kicking game is better

• Until Collins and McBurrows went out, our defense was better

• I have more confidence in our defensive coaches

• We’re light years ahead in recruiting

No knock on our current kicker, but Michael Hughes was a hell of a kicker. He got hurt in the flood and was unable to finish the season, but Hughes was definitely a more reliable kicker.

Hughes rookie stats : 9-12 fg. 50-50 XP.
De Freitas rookie stats (this year): 11-14 fg. 22-22 XP.

So far De Freitas is on track to be as good as Hughes. The biggest thing in those stats.....Hughes only went 1-3 in field goals longer than 40. De Freitas is 4-7.

So what you’re saying is that we are on track to kick more FGs and score fewer touchdowns this year than 2021.

If that is how you want to look at it.

[ASUFan4863]

I believe Hughes’ rookie year of actually kicking field goals was 2022. We had much fewer FG opportunities then than we have had this year due to a staff that despised taking field goals. The biggest difference, as pointed out, have been the long field goals which Hughes could not make that first season.

[App1795]

I love the idea of keeping traditions, but in all seriousness, what real unique traditions do we have besides pointing to an end zone while Bugler's dream is being played? App State chant, holding up 4 fingers as we enter the 4th quarter (not unique), "Its an Appstate first down"(not unique). Not being a smart alleck and those on this board thst know me know I love this school and team, but if you go to other schools throughout the ACC, SEC, even other G5s, you see a lot of different real traditions. Maybe its a good time to blend some new in with the old. Forgot one tradition - drunk students in black and gold sliding down a beautifully manicured hill that gets destroyed by the end of the season.

To age myself. I used to love the tunnel shaking when the beginning of hells bell’s would ring out. That always got me hyped

When I was in middle school (or maybe early high school), I remember coming up to The Rock with my dad from Charlotte. We had no affiliation to App at the time, just a neighbor who had tickets and couldn't make it. The team stood in the inflatable helmet, rocked it to Seven Nation Army, sent chills down my spine, and dominated. Back in Black, Hells Bell, multiple "App" "State" chants, "Mountain Music", the band playing in front of the student section while the team warmed up, and that lone, single waving App flag that was always in the student section.

Those memories carried me to Boone, and it does feel like we're losing our traditions. Couple that with the massive number of people who don't feel the need to stand up and be loud or leave early, and it pains me.

[Seattleapp]

I love the idea of keeping traditions, but in all seriousness, what real unique traditions do we have besides pointing to an end zone while Bugler's dream is being played? App State chant, holding up 4 fingers as we enter the 4th quarter (not unique), "Its an Appstate first down"(not unique). Not being a smart alleck and those on this board thst know me know I love this school and team, but if you go to other schools throughout the ACC, SEC, even other G5s, you see a lot of different real traditions. Maybe its a good time to blend some new in with the old. Forgot one tradition - drunk students in black and gold sliding down a beautifully manicured hill that gets destroyed by the end of the season.

To age myself. I used to love the tunnel shaking when the beginning of hells bell’s would ring out. That always got me hyped

When I was in middle school (or maybe early high school), I remember coming up to The Rock with my dad from Charlotte. We had no affiliation to App at the time, just a neighbor who had tickets and couldn't make it. The team stood in the inflatable helmet, rocked it to Seven Nation Army, sent chills down my spine, and dominated. Back in Black, Hells Bell, multiple "App" "State" chants, "Mountain Music", the band playing in front of the student section while the team warmed up, and that lone, single waving App flag that was always in the student section.

Those memories carried me to Boone, and it does feel like we're losing our traditions. Couple that with the massive number of people who don't feel the need to stand up and be loud or leave early, and it pains me.

I completely agree. We play lame, revolving music now and The band is an after thought. And seeing the stands half empty in the second half last week in a one score game was depressing. By contrast, Boise was crushing us and the place was packed well into the 4th quarter and it was 8 pm. Outside of the students and the diehards on here, our fans are becoming a lot more wine and cheese than we’d like to admit.

Someone more thoughtful than I could probably articulate it better, but all of this is inner woven. There will never be one ah ha thing to point to, but no matter the struggles Clark had, he was about App State. He wanted to carry the traditions of App State and he couldn’t get there. But he gave his all trying. And if firing him was warranted, so be it. but this new staff, in their quest to bring the “nfl” experience have sucked a lot of life outta the program. There is zero leadership or energy on the sidelines. I don’t mean pointless hyping around, but just connectivity. The pointing during kickoffs, as silly as some may think it was, was something the entire team always did, coaches included. Winning cures all and if DL gets it turned about with this new business model, I’ll be the first one on here telling everyone they were right and I’m wrong. This post isn’t a one or the other. It’s just my observations.

[ASUTodd]

Most schools have some coordination with the students about chants and game day activities. Heck some deans send out videos to the students showing and telling them of traditions and what to do during the games. Wake has a person on a mic that goes on the field during delays and halftime to get people going. Until someone coordinates with the students, alumni, and game day staff....it will just be blah. If there is someone already supposed to be doing this then they do a crap job of it.

[AppSt94]

Hey guys. All of the comments about the Gameday environment are encouraged to be communicated to athletics. I know that they want to know. Everytime I see Jonathan Reeder he asks for my feedback on the Gameday experience. I encourage everyone to provide their feedback.

[BUTCH1991]

Hey guys. All of the comments about the Gameday environment are encouraged to be communicated to athletics. I know that they want to know. Everytime I see Jonathan Reeder he asks for my feedback on the Gameday experience. I encourage everyone to provide their feedback.

Use the survey that comes out after each home game. They're trying.

[AppSt94]

Hey guys. All of the comments about the Gameday environment are encouraged to be communicated to athletics. I know that they want to know. Everytime I see Jonathan Reeder he asks for my feedback on the Gameday experience. I encourage everyone to provide their feedback.

Use the survey that comes out after each home game. They're trying.

That too.

[ASUTodd]

Hey guys. All of the comments about the Gameday environment are encouraged to be communicated to athletics. I know that they want to know. Everytime I see Jonathan Reeder he asks for my feedback on the Gameday experience. I encourage everyone to provide their feedback.

Tell him to register an account on here and he can read it for himself. If he was really interested he'd already be on here.... not like its a secret this place exists.

[appst89]

I've respectfully shared my feedback several times. Maybe someone reads it, maybe they don't. I guess we will see.

[AppSt94]

Hey guys. All of the comments about the Gameday environment are encouraged to be communicated to athletics. I know that they want to know. Everytime I see Jonathan Reeder he asks for my feedback on the Gameday experience. I encourage everyone to provide their feedback.

Tell him to register an account on here and he can read it for himself. If he was really interested he'd already be on here.... not like its a secret this place exists.

This place would not be deemed as a useful platform to glean information.

[JTApps1]

I don't recall seeing survey's after the game. I'm assuming they're emailed out?

[appst89]

Hey guys. All of the comments about the Gameday environment are encouraged to be communicated to athletics. I know that they want to know. Everytime I see Jonathan Reeder he asks for my feedback on the Gameday experience. I encourage everyone to provide their feedback.

Tell him to register an account on here and he can read it for himself. If he was really interested he'd already be on here.... not like its a secret this place exists.

This place would not be deemed as a useful platform to glean information.

You might be surprised.

[ASUTodd]

Hey guys. All of the comments about the Gameday environment are encouraged to be communicated to athletics. I know that they want to know. Everytime I see Jonathan Reeder he asks for my feedback on the Gameday experience. I encourage everyone to provide their feedback.

Tell him to register an account on here and he can read it for himself. If he was really interested he'd already be on here.... not like its a secret this place exists.

This place would not be deemed as a useful platform to glean information.

If you are looking to better something you take all avenues of information and weed through it. If they can't do that then they aren't serious about doing it right.

[Saint3333]

Hey guys. All of the comments about the Gameday environment are encouraged to be communicated to athletics. I know that they want to know. Everytime I see Jonathan Reeder he asks for my feedback on the Gameday experience. I encourage everyone to provide their feedback.

Tell him to register an account on here and he can read it for himself. If he was really interested he'd already be on here.... not like its a secret this place exists.

This place would not be deemed as a useful platform to glean information.

You might be surprised.

For awhile some were active readers of this forum.

[yosef69]

Hey guys. All of the comments about the Gameday environment are encouraged to be communicated to athletics. I know that they want to know. Everytime I see Jonathan Reeder he asks for my feedback on the Gameday experience. I encourage everyone to provide their feedback.

Tell him to register an account on here and he can read it for himself. If he was really interested he'd already be on here.... not like its a secret this place exists.

This place would not be deemed as a useful platform to glean information.

Sure buddy. This place is closer to the average fan than you “insiders.”

[yosef69]

Hey guys. All of the comments about the Gameday environment are encouraged to be communicated to athletics. I know that they want to know. Everytime I see Jonathan Reeder he asks for my feedback on the Gameday experience. I encourage everyone to provide their feedback.

Tell him to register an account on here and he can read it for himself. If he was really interested he'd already be on here.... not like its a secret this place exists.

This place would not be deemed as a useful platform to glean information.

You might be surprised.

For awhile some were active readers of this forum.

Still are.

[BUTCH1991]

I don't recall seeing survey's after the game. I'm assuming they're emailed out?

Yes, mine came Sunday at 12:46 pm

[T-Dog]

Here's the survey.

https://appstate.az1.qualtrics.com/jfe/ ... a701ee687b

[Stonewall]

Yes. People read this forum.