App 23 roster/depth chart

[311neers]

I think a key to our defense is getting and playing linebackers who are closer to 6'3" and at least 230lbs. I realize that's easier said than done but the 6'0" 210lb dudes ain't getting it done.

Those kids are going to Georgia and have 5* next to their name. Go look at UGA roster and look at their size on defense, particularly at the position you talked about, ILB and OLB.

[AppSt94]

True , and often varies among positions year to year.We did make offers and host visitors that we wanted though and failed to close the deals.We have to find a way to make up for the misses.

You also have to look at who you are losing out to. 12 of the 19 offers out to hs tackles went to P5s. 11 of the 18 offers to IOL went to P5s or schools moving up to P5 next year.
Our blocking scheme requires a certain skill set to function. Clark knows what he is looking for. But to the point that you need to get 3-4 guys a year, if you just get 3-4 guys to fill the quota and not viable options, you are setting yourself up for failure.

I know I give SC a hard time but it’s been 3 years, if he “knows what he is looking for” then why don’t we have the guys? I’m a broken record on this subject but if you don’t have a O line you don’t have on offense.

That’s a fair question but what makes you so sure that he doesn’t have the right guys? I understand what you are implying but you have 4 of the 5 from the previous season so is it a talent issue or is there an issue that isn’t seen with the naked eye?

I haven’t been particularly impressed with our O line play over the last 3 years. I could point out things in a number of games but I’ll just go to this one. We couldn’t impose our will on Robert Morris. They forced us to throw the ball.

So the lynchpin to your opinion is based on our performance against a team that we had out third highest ypc? The only games that were higher were Southern and Carolina. We ran the ball 43 times and passed 29. OK.

I guess my question would be what type of performance would have made you feel better in that game?

[bigdaddyg]

I think a key to our defense is getting and playing linebackers who are closer to 6'3" and at least 230lbs. I realize that's easier said than done but the 6'0" 210lb dudes ain't getting it done.

Those kids are going to Georgia and have 5* next to their name. Go look at UGA roster and look at their size on defense, particularly at the position you talked about, ILB and OLB.

Isn't Hampton in that range? Obviously an inch or 2 makes a huge difference with a P5 or G5 offer. We just need that lateral quickness on defense again. Seems like a slight lack of size can be replaced with gang tackling.

[311neers]

I think a key to our defense is getting and playing linebackers who are closer to 6'3" and at least 230lbs. I realize that's easier said than done but the 6'0" 210lb dudes ain't getting it done.

Those kids are going to Georgia and have 5* next to their name. Go look at UGA roster and look at their size on defense, particularly at the position you talked about, ILB and OLB.

Isn't Hampton in that range? Obviously an inch or 2 makes a huge difference with a P5 or G5 offer. We just need that lateral quickness on defense again. Seems like a slight lack of size can be replaced with gang tackling.

Yes Hampton is that size. He's an OLB, edge rusher. We have a couple of those but at ILB, we don't have 6'3, 230+. Nick Hampton's and ADG's don't come around too often, found the hidden gems with them. It will be interesting to see what they do with Grant Tucker. With 20lbs+ added to his frame, he could be a scary OLB- For now, he's a WR.

[AppSt94]

I think a key to our defense is getting and playing linebackers who are closer to 6'3" and at least 230lbs. I realize that's easier said than done but the 6'0" 210lb dudes ain't getting it done.

Those kids are going to Georgia and have 5* next to their name. Go look at UGA roster and look at their size on defense, particularly at the position you talked about, ILB and OLB.

Isn't Hampton in that range? Obviously an inch or 2 makes a huge difference with a P5 or G5 offer. We just need that lateral quickness on defense again. Seems like a slight lack of size can be replaced with gang tackling.

Yes Hampton is that size. He's an OLB, edge rusher. We have a couple of those but at ILB, we don't have 6'3, 230+. Nick Hampton's and ADG's don't come around too often, found the hidden gems with them. It will be interesting to see what they do with Grant Tucker. With 20lbs+ added to his frame, he could be a scary OLB- For now, he's a WR.

Parker is 6’2” 240, Bird is 6’2” 230 and Arnholt is 6’2” 220. For reference, D’Marco was listed as 6’1” 230

[311neers]

I think a key to our defense is getting and playing linebackers who are closer to 6'3" and at least 230lbs. I realize that's easier said than done but the 6'0" 210lb dudes ain't getting it done.

Those kids are going to Georgia and have 5* next to their name. Go look at UGA roster and look at their size on defense, particularly at the position you talked about, ILB and OLB.

Isn't Hampton in that range? Obviously an inch or 2 makes a huge difference with a P5 or G5 offer. We just need that lateral quickness on defense again. Seems like a slight lack of size can be replaced with gang tackling.

Yes Hampton is that size. He's an OLB, edge rusher. We have a couple of those but at ILB, we don't have 6'3, 230+. Nick Hampton's and ADG's don't come around too often, found the hidden gems with them. It will be interesting to see what they do with Grant Tucker. With 20lbs+ added to his frame, he could be a scary OLB- For now, he's a WR.

Parker is 6’2” 240, Bird is 6’2” 230 and Arnholt is 6’2” 220. For reference, D’Marco was listed as 6’1” 230

Good size, but very slow backers outside of D'Marco. Arnholt is young but has shown sideline to sideline speed at times. We definitely miss a D'Marco in the middle that can get to the sideline. Hard to find both size and speed.

[AppSt94]

Those kids are going to Georgia and have 5* next to their name. Go look at UGA roster and look at their size on defense, particularly at the position you talked about, ILB and OLB.

Isn't Hampton in that range? Obviously an inch or 2 makes a huge difference with a P5 or G5 offer. We just need that lateral quickness on defense again. Seems like a slight lack of size can be replaced with gang tackling.

Yes Hampton is that size. He's an OLB, edge rusher. We have a couple of those but at ILB, we don't have 6'3, 230+. Nick Hampton's and ADG's don't come around too often, found the hidden gems with them. It will be interesting to see what they do with Grant Tucker. With 20lbs+ added to his frame, he could be a scary OLB- For now, he's a WR.

Parker is 6’2” 240, Bird is 6’2” 230 and Arnholt is 6’2” 220. For reference, D’Marco was listed as 6’1” 230

Good size, but very slow backers outside of D'Marco. Arnholt is young but has shown sideline to sideline speed at times. We definitely miss a D'Marco in the middle that can get to the sideline. Hard to find both size and speed.

No disagreement with you. My personal opinion is that we sometimes get caught up in comparing guys to what we had previously without acknowledging that each person brings a different skill set. That’s a blanket statement and not meant to be directed at anyone person. Sure we would love to have 6’3” 230 lb linebackers, but we have to make them because the ones that come out of the box that way go to the SEC more often than not.

[Yosef84]

I've been impressed with the measurables on some of the guys we just signed. I don't have their speed numbers but certainly hope they are athletic since that's always been a big part of what we look for. I'm optimistic that we have some future impact players coming in, or waiting their turn.

Regarding OL, I don't think lack of talent was our issue this past year. That's part of what made it hard to watch in those games where they seemed to get pushed around. We need to do a better job of putting them in a winning situation. I love Brice and think he brought a ton to our team, so this isn't a criticism of him, but a mobile QB goes a long ways to fixing some of the OL issues. I am sure bringing in some guys from the portal is part of the plan. I'm also sure that Coaches Clark and Barbay know our issues better than I do and they will work hard to address them.

[goapps93]

I've been impressed with the measurables on some of the guys we just signed. I don't have their speed numbers but certainly hope they are athletic since that's always been a big part of what we look for. I'm optimistic that we have some future impact players coming in, or waiting their turn.

Regarding OL, I don't think lack of talent was our issue this past year. That's part of what made it hard to watch in those games where they seemed to get pushed around. We need to do a better job of putting them in a winning situation. I love Brice and think he brought a ton to our team, so this isn't a criticism of him, but a mobile QB goes a long ways to fixing some of the OL issues. I am sure bringing in some guys from the portal is part of the plan. I'm also sure that Coaches Clark and Barbay know our issues better than I do and they will work hard to address them.

I also don't think ANY of our backs were ever truly healthy. Castle impressed when he played but even he was injured late in the season. They just all looked different than recent seasons. I could have been the fault of the Oline, but I don't think so. I think our backfield horses came up lame too often throughout the season. It could have been S&C, or it could have been their injuries were worse than we knew, and they never really recovered.

[EastHallApp]

Those kids are going to Georgia and have 5* next to their name. Go look at UGA roster and look at their size on defense, particularly at the position you talked about, ILB and OLB.

Isn't Hampton in that range? Obviously an inch or 2 makes a huge difference with a P5 or G5 offer. We just need that lateral quickness on defense again. Seems like a slight lack of size can be replaced with gang tackling.

Yes Hampton is that size. He's an OLB, edge rusher. We have a couple of those but at ILB, we don't have 6'3, 230+. Nick Hampton's and ADG's don't come around too often, found the hidden gems with them. It will be interesting to see what they do with Grant Tucker. With 20lbs+ added to his frame, he could be a scary OLB- For now, he's a WR.

Parker is 6’2” 240, Bird is 6’2” 230 and Arnholt is 6’2” 220. For reference, D’Marco was listed as 6’1” 230

Good size, but very slow backers outside of D'Marco. Arnholt is young but has shown sideline to sideline speed at times. We definitely miss a D'Marco in the middle that can get to the sideline. Hard to find both size and speed.

Agree with that, and if I have to compromise on one, I'd rather have speed than size.

To 94's point, ADG was 190 lbs. when he got to App. Jackson was listed at 205. Hampton was 202.

A lot easier to bulk up a skinny, fast kid than to make a big, slow one run much faster.

[EastHallApp]

FWIW, I think Arnholt and McLeod can really run. Presumably Sullivan as well, considering he moved down from safety.

Hopefully the other guys we've signed last year and this can get us back to the type of speed we enjoyed in our best LB groups.

[ASUFan4863]

I've been impressed with the measurables on some of the guys we just signed. I don't have their speed numbers but certainly hope they are athletic since that's always been a big part of what we look for. I'm optimistic that we have some future impact players coming in, or waiting their turn.

Regarding OL, I don't think lack of talent was our issue this past year. That's part of what made it hard to watch in those games where they seemed to get pushed around. We need to do a better job of putting them in a winning situation. I love Brice and think he brought a ton to our team, so this isn't a criticism of him, but a mobile QB goes a long ways to fixing some of the OL issues. I am sure bringing in some guys from the portal is part of the plan. I'm also sure that Coaches Clark and Barbay know our issues better than I do and they will work hard to address them.

I also don't think ANY of our backs were ever truly healthy. Castle impressed when he played but even he was injured late in the season. They just all looked different than recent seasons. I could have been the fault of the Oline, but I don't think so. I think our backfield horses came up lame too often throughout the season. It could have been S&C, or it could have been their injuries were worse than we knew, and they never really recovered.

I agree with this. I was watching some highlights from 2021 and early 2022 last week and noticed a HUGE difference in Peoples. The burst he had in the Miami game last season was amazing. Noel finally got his burst back against GaSo it seemed. I think a lot of people are overlooking the impact injuries had to us this season when a lot of our losses came down to a possession or two.

[Mjohn1988]

You also have to look at who you are losing out to. 12 of the 19 offers out to hs tackles went to P5s. 11 of the 18 offers to IOL went to P5s or schools moving up to P5 next year.
Our blocking scheme requires a certain skill set to function. Clark knows what he is looking for. But to the point that you need to get 3-4 guys a year, if you just get 3-4 guys to fill the quota and not viable options, you are setting yourself up for failure.

I know I give SC a hard time but it’s been 3 years, if he “knows what he is looking for” then why don’t we have the guys? I’m a broken record on this subject but if you don’t have a O line you don’t have on offense.

That’s a fair question but what makes you so sure that he doesn’t have the right guys? I understand what you are implying but you have 4 of the 5 from the previous season so is it a talent issue or is there an issue that isn’t seen with the naked eye?

I haven’t been particularly impressed with our O line play over the last 3 years. I could point out things in a number of games but I’ll just go to this one. We couldn’t impose our will on Robert Morris. They forced us to throw the ball.

So the lynchpin to your opinion is based on our performance against a team that we had out third highest ypc? The only games that were higher were Southern and Carolina. We ran the ball 43 times and passed 29. OK.

I guess my question would be what type of performance would have made you feel better in that game?

A few pieces of context, you can make stats paint a picture but that doesn’t always reflect reality. Robert Morris was one of, if not the worst FCS team in the country. Not the worst P5, or G5 team but the worst FCS team. Context matters. I understand you chose to run or pass based on how the defense aligns. I understand stand that sometimes you run to free up the pass and sometimes you pass to free up the run game. Against reasonable good competition you will have to run or pass based on the numbers in the box. But against the worst team in the FCS a good G5 team should be able to run against a packed box. We couldn’t do that, we had to throw the ball to run the ball. We came out clearly wanting to run the ball and they shut us down. It wasn’t until we started throwing the ball that we had any success running the ball. Go watch the game. They flat out stuffed our run game.

[bigdaddyg]

I know I give SC a hard time but it’s been 3 years, if he “knows what he is looking for” then why don’t we have the guys? I’m a broken record on this subject but if you don’t have a O line you don’t have on offense.

That’s a fair question but what makes you so sure that he doesn’t have the right guys? I understand what you are implying but you have 4 of the 5 from the previous season so is it a talent issue or is there an issue that isn’t seen with the naked eye?

I haven’t been particularly impressed with our O line play over the last 3 years. I could point out things in a number of games but I’ll just go to this one. We couldn’t impose our will on Robert Morris. They forced us to throw the ball.

So the lynchpin to your opinion is based on our performance against a team that we had out third highest ypc? The only games that were higher were Southern and Carolina. We ran the ball 43 times and passed 29. OK.

I guess my question would be what type of performance would have made you feel better in that game?

A few pieces of context, you can make stats paint a picture but that doesn’t always reflect reality. Robert Morris was one of, if not the worst FCS team in the country. Not the worst P5, or G5 team but the worst FCS team. Context matters. I understand you chose to run or pass based on how the defense aligns. I understand stand that sometimes you run to free up the pass and sometimes you pass to free up the run game. Against reasonable good competition you will have to run or pass based on the numbers in the box. But against the worst team in the FCS a good G5 team should be able to run against a packed box. We couldn’t do that, we had to throw the ball to run the ball. We came out clearly wanting to run the ball and they shut us down. It wasn’t until we started throwing the ball that we had any success running the ball. Go watch the game. They flat out stuffed our run game.

43 carries for 287 yards. That's almost 300 yards. Stuffed??

[APPdiesel]

Some recruiting notes from our local (Upstate, SC) high school writer on the haul of 5 or 6 guys App signed from the state.

[AppSt94]

I know I give SC a hard time but it’s been 3 years, if he “knows what he is looking for” then why don’t we have the guys? I’m a broken record on this subject but if you don’t have a O line you don’t have on offense.

That’s a fair question but what makes you so sure that he doesn’t have the right guys? I understand what you are implying but you have 4 of the 5 from the previous season so is it a talent issue or is there an issue that isn’t seen with the naked eye?

I haven’t been particularly impressed with our O line play over the last 3 years. I could point out things in a number of games but I’ll just go to this one. We couldn’t impose our will on Robert Morris. They forced us to throw the ball.

So the lynchpin to your opinion is based on our performance against a team that we had out third highest ypc? The only games that were higher were Southern and Carolina. We ran the ball 43 times and passed 29. OK.

I guess my question would be what type of performance would have made you feel better in that game?

A few pieces of context, you can make stats paint a picture but that doesn’t always reflect reality. Robert Morris was one of, if not the worst FCS team in the country. Not the worst P5, or G5 team but the worst FCS team. Context matters. I understand you chose to run or pass based on how the defense aligns. I understand stand that sometimes you run to free up the pass and sometimes you pass to free up the run game. Against reasonable good competition you will have to run or pass based on the numbers in the box. But against the worst team in the FCS a good G5 team should be able to run against a packed box. We couldn’t do that, we had to throw the ball to run the ball. We came out clearly wanting to run the ball and they shut us down. It wasn’t until we started throwing the ball that we had any success running the ball. Go watch the game. They flat out stuffed our run game.

I really think that you are letting a few plays cloud your opinion. Almost half of our rushes were by Castle and Roberts. Cam had a bad game but everyone else seemed to thrive, but again, OK.

[Mjohn1988]

That’s a fair question but what makes you so sure that he doesn’t have the right guys? I understand what you are implying but you have 4 of the 5 from the previous season so is it a talent issue or is there an issue that isn’t seen with the naked eye?

I haven’t been particularly impressed with our O line play over the last 3 years. I could point out things in a number of games but I’ll just go to this one. We couldn’t impose our will on Robert Morris. They forced us to throw the ball.

So the lynchpin to your opinion is based on our performance against a team that we had out third highest ypc? The only games that were higher were Southern and Carolina. We ran the ball 43 times and passed 29. OK.

I guess my question would be what type of performance would have made you feel better in that game?

A few pieces of context, you can make stats paint a picture but that doesn’t always reflect reality. Robert Morris was one of, if not the worst FCS team in the country. Not the worst P5, or G5 team but the worst FCS team. Context matters. I understand you chose to run or pass based on how the defense aligns. I understand stand that sometimes you run to free up the pass and sometimes you pass to free up the run game. Against reasonable good competition you will have to run or pass based on the numbers in the box. But against the worst team in the FCS a good G5 team should be able to run against a packed box. We couldn’t do that, we had to throw the ball to run the ball. We came out clearly wanting to run the ball and they shut us down. It wasn’t until we started throwing the ball that we had any success running the ball. Go watch the game. They flat out stuffed our run game.

43 carries for 287 yards. That's almost 300 yards. Stuffed??

Again, context, worst team in the FCS and we had to go to the pass game to open up the run game. Go watch the first half.

[Mjohn1988]

That’s a fair question but what makes you so sure that he doesn’t have the right guys? I understand what you are implying but you have 4 of the 5 from the previous season so is it a talent issue or is there an issue that isn’t seen with the naked eye?

I haven’t been particularly impressed with our O line play over the last 3 years. I could point out things in a number of games but I’ll just go to this one. We couldn’t impose our will on Robert Morris. They forced us to throw the ball.

So the lynchpin to your opinion is based on our performance against a team that we had out third highest ypc? The only games that were higher were Southern and Carolina. We ran the ball 43 times and passed 29. OK.

I guess my question would be what type of performance would have made you feel better in that game?

A few pieces of context, you can make stats paint a picture but that doesn’t always reflect reality. Robert Morris was one of, if not the worst FCS team in the country. Not the worst P5, or G5 team but the worst FCS team. Context matters. I understand you chose to run or pass based on how the defense aligns. I understand stand that sometimes you run to free up the pass and sometimes you pass to free up the run game. Against reasonable good competition you will have to run or pass based on the numbers in the box. But against the worst team in the FCS a good G5 team should be able to run against a packed box. We couldn’t do that, we had to throw the ball to run the ball. We came out clearly wanting to run the ball and they shut us down. It wasn’t until we started throwing the ball that we had any success running the ball. Go watch the game. They flat out stuffed our run game.

I really think that you are letting a few plays cloud your opinion. Almost half of our rushes were by Castle and Roberts. Cam had a bad game but everyone else seemed to thrive, but again, OK.

Go watch the first half and tell me you’re impressed.

[WASU 93]

I've been impressed with the measurables on some of the guys we just signed. I don't have their speed numbers but certainly hope they are athletic since that's always been a big part of what we look for. I'm optimistic that we have some future impact players coming in, or waiting their turn.

Regarding OL, I don't think lack of talent was our issue this past year. That's part of what made it hard to watch in those games where they seemed to get pushed around. We need to do a better job of putting them in a winning situation. I love Brice and think he brought a ton to our team, so this isn't a criticism of him, but a mobile QB goes a long ways to fixing some of the OL issues. I am sure bringing in some guys from the portal is part of the plan. I'm also sure that Coaches Clark and Barbay know our issues better than I do and they will work hard to address them.

I also don't think ANY of our backs were ever truly healthy. Castle impressed when he played but even he was injured late in the season. They just all looked different than recent seasons. I could have been the fault of the Oline, but I don't think so. I think our backfield horses came up lame too often throughout the season. It could have been S&C, or it could have been their injuries were worse than we knew, and they never really recovered.

I agree with this. I was watching some highlights from 2021 and early 2022 last week and noticed a HUGE difference in Peoples. The burst he had in the Miami game last season was amazing. Noel finally got his burst back against GaSo it seemed. I think a lot of people are overlooking the impact injuries had to us this season when a lot of our losses came down to a possession or two.

I think it was a combination of that and not holding our downfield blocking. We came close to breaking a lot of runs, but it seemed like a lot of ankle tackles at the second level happened.

[AppStateNews]

I haven’t been particularly impressed with our O line play over the last 3 years. I could point out things in a number of games but I’ll just go to this one. We couldn’t impose our will on Robert Morris. They forced us to throw the ball.

So the lynchpin to your opinion is based on our performance against a team that we had out third highest ypc? The only games that were higher were Southern and Carolina. We ran the ball 43 times and passed 29. OK.

I guess my question would be what type of performance would have made you feel better in that game?

A few pieces of context, you can make stats paint a picture but that doesn’t always reflect reality. Robert Morris was one of, if not the worst FCS team in the country. Not the worst P5, or G5 team but the worst FCS team. Context matters. I understand you chose to run or pass based on how the defense aligns. I understand stand that sometimes you run to free up the pass and sometimes you pass to free up the run game. Against reasonable good competition you will have to run or pass based on the numbers in the box. But against the worst team in the FCS a good G5 team should be able to run against a packed box. We couldn’t do that, we had to throw the ball to run the ball. We came out clearly wanting to run the ball and they shut us down. It wasn’t until we started throwing the ball that we had any success running the ball. Go watch the game. They flat out stuffed our run game.

I really think that you are letting a few plays cloud your opinion. Almost half of our rushes were by Castle and Roberts. Cam had a bad game but everyone else seemed to thrive, but again, OK.

Go watch the first half and tell me you’re impressed.

You do realize we used a completely different blocking scheme that entire game, right? It's a scheme made for an air raid attack but we wanted to test it out with some tweaks to see if it could be beneficial with our personnel.. it was.

Just took some time to get game speed reps for the o line to figure it out.

We typically run 100% zone scheme. We ran maybe 5% zone against Bobby.