Liberty question

[T-Dog]

Scott isn't the same personality type as Jerry. Scott doesn't have the grandfather complex that Jerry has. So I can imagine that some of Jerry's recruits aren't enamored with Scott, especially since he's injecting more youth (his players) into starting roles.

So yes, I can believe that certain upperclassmen aren't giving 100%. The vocal leaders I've seen on the field are underclassmen.

[WVAPPeer]

"The game I watched Maine dominated us."

That's true but my point with this game is I didn't feel they dominated us because they were bigger and better - I thought APP was the better team but not that day - Maine came to play with a solid game plan and our guys just weren't into it ---

something about this comment got me to think this question:

With as much hand wringing, analysis, passion, questioning etc. going on in this forum by all of us proud alumni, I wonder how much most of the players are "into it" ? into the whole App experience? and do they/will they have the passion about App that we all have even years later? It just seems sometimes the last few years that we have a band of mercenaries from afar who aren't really into winning for the most important reason...that being because we are APP F'N STATE !

Well I know many fans who feel that "not being into the game" should never happen - they feel that these young men should be primed to go 12-15 times a year --- It just doesn't happen!!! - for many reasons ---

[WVAPPeer]

AppState94 says:
"I may be in the minority on this but I don't think that being a "Big" donor gives one the right to pull the coach aside and tell him what their expectations are for him. That is stepping across a line and if I am the head coach and someone felt they could tell me how to do my job to their expectations, I would tell them to go F&$@ themselves."

DITTO !!!

[WVAPPeer]

You don't think Scott knows this and is putting pressure on himself?

People aren't giving him a pass there are giving him a chance.

DITTO AGAIN !!!

[JTApps1]

Scott isn't the same personality type as Jerry. Scott doesn't have the grandfather complex that Jerry has. So I can imagine that some of Jerry's recruits aren't enamored with Scott, especially since he's injecting more youth (his players) into starting roles.

So yes, I can believe that certain upperclassmen aren't giving 100%. The vocal leaders I've seen on the field are underclassmen.

I agree and there really isn't much Scott can do other than bench them for younger guys which would probably kill what little chemistry is left. Winning would certainly help too.

[AppSt94]

Scott isn't the same personality type as Jerry. Scott doesn't have the grandfather complex that Jerry has. So I can imagine that some of Jerry's recruits aren't enamored with Scott, especially since he's injecting more youth (his players) into starting roles.

So yes, I can believe that certain upperclassmen aren't giving 100%. The vocal leaders I've seen on the field are underclassmen.

I agree and there really isn't much Scott can do other than bench them for younger guys which would probably kill what little chemistry is left. Winning would certainly help too.

I am going to throw something out there that probably won't be received well but here goes. Winning on the scoreboard is not as important last year and this year as developing a quality core for FBS football. It is far more important for us to be competitive this year. Aside from last weekend I would say that we have. I get the need for improvement and the only way that most of see it is in the product on Saturday. But the improvement needed to be competitive next year is grown during the week through repetition. Will it manifest into more wins next year? The expectations should be yes. We are young. It is not an excuse it is fact. I would imagine that we may be younger next year as some of the juniors that are passed over on the depth chart may transfer. We have young coaches growing alongside the young players. Allow the process to play out before judging the incomplete project.

[The Rock]

Scott isn't the same personality type as Jerry. Scott doesn't have the grandfather complex that Jerry has. So I can imagine that some of Jerry's recruits aren't enamored with Scott, especially since he's injecting more youth (his players) into starting roles.

So yes, I can believe that certain upperclassmen aren't giving 100%. The vocal leaders I've seen on the field are underclassmen.

I agree and there really isn't much Scott can do other than bench them for younger guys which would probably kill what little chemistry is left. Winning would certainly help too.

I am going to throw something out there that probably won't be received well but here goes. Winning on the scoreboard is not as important last year and this year as developing a quality core for FBS football. It is far more important for us to be competitive this year. Aside from last weekend I would say that we have. I get the need for improvement and the only way that most of see it is in the product on Saturday. But the improvement needed to be competitive next year is grown during the week through repetition. Will it manifest into more wins next year? The expectations should be yes. We are young. It is not an excuse it is fact. I would imagine that we may be younger next year as some of the juniors that are passed over on the depth chart may transfer. We have young coaches growing alongside the young players. Allow the process to play out before judging the incomplete project.

I go back and forth on our appearance of playing competitively. I'm not saying we haven't, it just appears we haven't. Slow starts, no first downs in first quarters, yet to have a lead against a team with scholarships, doesn't seem like we have been competitive thus far to anyone who hasn't followed each game play by play.
Those who have know we could/should have beat southern Mississippi, make a play or two more coming out of half time and the ga southern game would have looked completely different, and going into the second half at south Alabama we had a chance to make a defensive stop and swing the momentum.
Take out the stats from the Campbell game and we look much worse on paper than we already do.
Honestly, the Liberty game may be the best measuring stick for where our team is than any other so far, except for maybe the south Mississippi game. I hope we won't be disappointed or looking for moral victories this Sunday

[DaphneUrquhart]

I may be in the minority on this but I don't think that being a "Big" donor gives one the right to pull the coach aside and tell him what their expectations are for him. That is stepping across a line and if I am the head coach and someone felt they could tell me how to do my job to their expectations, I would tell them to go F&$@ themselves.

I agree completely! My husband and I have had the pleasure and privilege of donating to Yosef and the Appalachian Fund since our son enrolled at App. We donate what, for us at least, is quite a handsome sum. That does not confer on us any rights at all other than being able to park in the stadium lot.

If anything, it confers on us the obligation to represent the best of Appalachian both on and off the mountain. With great privilege comes great responsibility - to the Appalachian Family, to the student-athletes, to those who might one day join the Appalachian Family ... but not to the world of coaching.

[EastHallApp]

I am going to throw something out there that probably won't be received well but here goes. Winning on the scoreboard is not as important last year and this year as developing a quality core for FBS football. It is far more important for us to be competitive this year. Aside from last weekend I would say that we have. I get the need for improvement and the only way that most of see it is in the product on Saturday. But the improvement needed to be competitive next year is grown during the week through repetition. Will it manifest into more wins next year? The expectations should be yes. We are young. It is not an excuse it is fact. I would imagine that we may be younger next year as some of the juniors that are passed over on the depth chart may transfer. We have young coaches growing alongside the young players. Allow the process to play out before judging the incomplete project.

Agreed. I do want to see us win a few, just as a fan and also because I think it will make it easier to sell the program to recruits and donors. But ultimately, being competitive and setting up to win next year is the biggest thing.

As you say, though, that didn't happen against USA. We need to turn that around and make sure it was just one bad week and not the start of a collapse.

[AppSt94]

I am going to throw something out there that probably won't be received well but here goes. Winning on the scoreboard is not as important last year and this year as developing a quality core for FBS football. It is far more important for us to be competitive this year. Aside from last weekend I would say that we have. I get the need for improvement and the only way that most of see it is in the product on Saturday. But the improvement needed to be competitive next year is grown during the week through repetition. Will it manifest into more wins next year? The expectations should be yes. We are young. It is not an excuse it is fact. I would imagine that we may be younger next year as some of the juniors that are passed over on the depth chart may transfer. We have young coaches growing alongside the young players. Allow the process to play out before judging the incomplete project.

Agreed. I do want to see us win a few, just as a fan and also because I think it will make it easier to sell the program to recruits and donors. But ultimately, being competitive and setting up to win next year is the biggest thing.

As you say, though, that didn't happen against USA. We need to turn that around and make sure it was just one bad week and not the start of a collapse.

Agreed. USA exposed us with their vast size on the lines. Troy is not that big upfront so we should look better offensively. Sometimes we have fans set weekly expectations based on the name on the front of the opponent's jersey and discount the athletes whose name is on the back.

[MJ1988]

The "ditto" that several posted sounds good and I agree, money shouldn't equate to power. But in reality it does, sorry, just a fact of life.

[NewApp]

You are right about money equating to power. Money talking is what got us the Jason Capel episode, unfortunately.