Re: AAC just lost their big 3
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 7:45 am
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Yes. I would agree that whatever the plan was, it didn’t work.
I can understand Charlotte for the tv market and success of a few programs. Although it’s a stretch for such a new football program but I guess thats what’s being located in Charlotte gets you.AppOrange wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 7:02 amDose of reality not even being mentioned as a possible candidate but the one hit wonders and Char are. Thanks to all those huge App fans out there who can’t manage to throw a few bucks Yosef's way. You don't like sports, I totally get it. You’re the 1% who love the Apps but truly cant afford 50 bucks a year, I hear that. The rest of those 15k at the games (not students), or folks that complain when we lose or play poorly, this slap in the face is sponsored by them. I know its a personal choice, but so is my choice to rant. One article doesn't mean it wont happen, and maybe we don’t want to go AAC, but not being mentioned sucks. Thanks huge “fans”. PS, don’t give me TV markets if their looking at Boise.appgrad95&97 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 6:27 amWorth a read
https://www.si.com/college/2021/09/08/b ... o-reaction
I say OK! Here are a couple of suggestions (and they may already be in the works). 1- designate someone/or a committee to find out what needs to be done to get Luke Combs his degree from Appalachian State University. It’s been reported that he’s just a semester short and with on line school and remote learning, it seems ( provided he’s willing/ able) easier to get him “Degreed”. Then make a big deal out of it.(news release, ceremony or something). Use that to approach him about becoming a benefactor. (Eric Church as well). 2- we do have a fair number of NFL players. They have incomes WELL above the average ASU alum. Approach them individually, or better still, as a group to help financially.NavyApp wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 8:24 amSo this is probably going to ruffle some feathers here, but this is something that was hammered into me while in the Navy: don't bring problems, bring solutions. We all know what our limitations are as an Athletic Department, they are not new. So instead of us lamenting on message board about the disparity between the amount of donors v. Living Alumni; why can't we formulate a new way to engage those alumni. There are enough of us here who are constantly engaged and we all want to osee the App brand grow, but it's not just going to magically happen. If we are being completely honest with ourselves we have no model to follow. We can't be UCF; we just can't have that level of enrollment (50k+) and be home to one of the largest media markets in the region. Now Boise State is closer to us in enrollment size, but what institutes are they competing with for fans? Idaho? Idaho St? Washington? Washington State? The point is they don't have to compete with 4 in state P5s(plus Tennessee and VT near by) another G5 in a Media Hub(Char) and another G5(ECU) with a decent history and large following. Essentially we HAVE to reinvent the wheel if we want to grow and prosper. I fully believe we can do it and increase our financial giving base, but we need to do more than post things like "give to yosef" or "donate the score" (btw those are great things but we need more). There are some very smart, dedicated people on this board and there is absolutely no reason we can't make something happen......What say you?
I wouldn't put much stock in the SI article, this dude just picked random names from CUSA/SBC.AppOrange wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 7:02 amDose of reality not even being mentioned as a possible candidate but the one hit wonders and Char are. Thanks to all those huge App fans out there who can’t manage to throw a few bucks Yosef's way. You don't like sports, I totally get it. You’re the 1% who love the Apps but truly cant afford 50 bucks a year, I hear that. The rest of those 15k at the games (not students), or folks that complain when we lose or play poorly, this slap in the face is sponsored by them. I know its a personal choice, but so is my choice to rant. One article doesn't mean it wont happen, and maybe we don’t want to go AAC, but not being mentioned sucks. Thanks huge “fans”. PS, don’t give me TV markets if their looking at Boise.appgrad95&97 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 6:27 amWorth a read
https://www.si.com/college/2021/09/08/b ... o-reaction
If the AAC is in conversation with UNCC because of their zip code, they are being short sighted. As referenced by others previously, it means nothing if they do not have fans engaged enough to fill the stadium or watch games on television; it is only geography. If real numbers are considered over phantom numbers, Appalachian is a much better media draw for the CLT region.BallantyneApp wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 9:33 amI wouldn't put much stock in the SI article, this dude just picked random names from CUSA/SBC.AppOrange wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 7:02 amDose of reality not even being mentioned as a possible candidate but the one hit wonders and Char are. Thanks to all those huge App fans out there who can’t manage to throw a few bucks Yosef's way. You don't like sports, I totally get it. You’re the 1% who love the Apps but truly cant afford 50 bucks a year, I hear that. The rest of those 15k at the games (not students), or folks that complain when we lose or play poorly, this slap in the face is sponsored by them. I know its a personal choice, but so is my choice to rant. One article doesn't mean it wont happen, and maybe we don’t want to go AAC, but not being mentioned sucks. Thanks huge “fans”. PS, don’t give me TV markets if their looking at Boise.appgrad95&97 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 6:27 amWorth a read
https://www.si.com/college/2021/09/08/b ... o-reaction
Every negative for App is magnified for CCU. They are a much lower ranked regional uni with a lower budget, worse basketball and less students.
Ark St is rarely mentioned as well.
UNCC probably is having regular conversations with the AAC due to their zip code though.
UAB does appear to have near universal support though.
If App is not going to the AAC, the best thing for us is for the AAC to go the marketz route and invite UNCC, Ga State etc.
Yeah we'll have to deal with the UNCC fans beating their chest and talking about how they've "finally" passed App, but they already did that when they got the CUSA invite. Hell they do that now and they can't even sell out their FB stadium for an instate ACC school and our mens bball has passed them.
Whats going to happen when Memphis gets their ticket out of the AAC? The marketz schools are going to get in and play schools no one cares about and all that will be left of the AAC is the memory of achievements by schools no longer in the conference.
Meanwhile we can get to the business of inviting Marshall and one other to the SBC and just pass them in FB anyway.
Boise has a lot more eyeballs. I'm with you on the rest though. I don't understand how we're so bad at raising money. it's kind of impressive how NOBODY donates. I try to get my friends to and they're like, well I go to games or give all kinds of reasons why they can't donate. Even if 15,000 people of the 100,000 living alumni donated $50, that would be huge, but for whatever reason we can't get that. We'll never get to that next level without more money donated by the fanbase and that's the reality.AppOrange wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 7:02 amDose of reality not even being mentioned as a possible candidate but the one hit wonders and Char are. Thanks to all those huge App fans out there who can’t manage to throw a few bucks Yosef's way. You don't like sports, I totally get it. You’re the 1% who love the Apps but truly cant afford 50 bucks a year, I hear that. The rest of those 15k at the games (not students), or folks that complain when we lose or play poorly, this slap in the face is sponsored by them. I know its a personal choice, but so is my choice to rant. One article doesn't mean it wont happen, and maybe we don’t want to go AAC, but not being mentioned sucks. Thanks huge “fans”. PS, don’t give me TV markets if their looking at Boise.appgrad95&97 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 6:27 amWorth a read
https://www.si.com/college/2021/09/08/b ... o-reaction
Agreed. That's message board wishful thinking level suggestions. A full strength AAC couldn't get Boise and a few others to bite. There's no way they'll move for a lateral money move at best. Especially if it means going cross country for all sports.97APP wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 9:35 amLooking at the SI article - I just don't see why a MWC school would leave for the AAC, they just surpassed the AAC by UCF, Houston and Cincy leaving. If anything the MWC may even look at adding SMU. Also, If I'm Navy - I'm seriously considering going Independent again in Football.
I don't think you are ruffling feathers here as a starter. As for bringing solutions, that works in most cases well and I actually quote that from time to time with my staff at work, but this is a message board, so venting is allowed.NavyApp wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 8:24 amSo this is probably going to ruffle some feathers here, but this is something that was hammered into me while in the Navy: don't bring problems, bring solutions. We all know what our limitations are as an Athletic Department, they are not new. So instead of us lamenting on message board about the disparity between the amount of donors v. Living Alumni; why can't we formulate a new way to engage those alumni. There are enough of us here who are constantly engaged and we all want to see the App brand grow, but it's not just going to magically happen. If we are being completely honest with ourselves we have no model to follow. We can't be UCF; we just can't have that level of enrollment (50k+) and be home to one of the largest media markets in the region. Now Boise State is closer to us in enrollment size, but what institutes are they competing with for fans? Idaho? Idaho St? Washington? Washington State? The point is they don't have to compete with 4 in state P5s(plus Tennessee and VT near by) another G5 in a Media Hub(Char) and another G5(ECU) with a decent history and large following. Essentially we HAVE to reinvent the wheel if we want to grow and prosper. I fully believe we can do it and increase our financial giving base, but we need to do more than post things like "give to yosef" or "donate the score" (btw those are great things but we need more). There are some very smart, dedicated people on this board and there is absolutely no reason we can't make something happen......What say you?
I agree we are in a good position of not needing a conference invite to achieve our goals. I said on twitter this is a win-win for us. Either the AAC weakens itselt relative to the Sunbelt by excluding us, or they invite us and maintain their reputation as the strongest G5 conference.ah59396 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:56 amI would like to be a member of the new AAC. That said, I have zero expectation that it will happen. In fact, I’d bet against us getting an invite for all the reasons we know.
I’m also not going to be upset if it doesn’t happen. It’s not a need, it’s a want.
The Sun Belt has proven to be a great conference and if the “worst case” is status quo, that’s damn good.
We will just keep winning ball games.
I'm hoping this will change, and maybe moving to the AAC will change this marginally, but people donate to what they're passionate about. While I would say everyone registered on this board is at least moderately passionate about App football, most people go to the game (if they even go to the game) and don't think about App football at all until the next time they step in the stadium.Howard Street Hooligan wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:24 amBoise has a lot more eyeballs. I'm with you on the rest though. I don't understand how we're so bad at raising money. it's kind of impressive how NOBODY donates. I try to get my friends to and they're like, well I go to games or give all kinds of reasons why they can't donate. Even if 15,000 people of the 100,000 living alumni donated $50, that would be huge, but for whatever reason we can't get that. We'll never get to that next level without more money donated by the fanbase and that's the reality.
Exactly. I’m over here thinking “AAC…please DO invite Ga State, UNCC and ODU. Do us all a favor and add three doormat teams and become the new CUSA.”BallantyneApp wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:53 pmI agree we are in a good position of not needing a conference invite to achieve our goals. I said on twitter this is a win-win for us. Either the AAC weakens itselt relative to the Sunbelt by excluding us, or they invite us and maintain their reputation as the strongest G5 conference.ah59396 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:56 amI would like to be a member of the new AAC. That said, I have zero expectation that it will happen. In fact, I’d bet against us getting an invite for all the reasons we know.
I’m also not going to be upset if it doesn’t happen. It’s not a need, it’s a want.
The Sun Belt has proven to be a great conference and if the “worst case” is status quo, that’s damn good.
We will just keep winning ball games.
Something like that is best for App if you get left out. Either no SBC teams are taken or someone you probably could do without like Ga State.ah59396 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:06 pmExactly. I’m over here thinking “AAC…please DO invite Ga State, UNCC and ODU. Do us all a favor and add three doormat teams and become the new CUSA.”BallantyneApp wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:53 pmI agree we are in a good position of not needing a conference invite to achieve our goals. I said on twitter this is a win-win for us. Either the AAC weakens itselt relative to the Sunbelt by excluding us, or they invite us and maintain their reputation as the strongest G5 conference.ah59396 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:56 amI would like to be a member of the new AAC. That said, I have zero expectation that it will happen. In fact, I’d bet against us getting an invite for all the reasons we know.
I’m also not going to be upset if it doesn’t happen. It’s not a need, it’s a want.
The Sun Belt has proven to be a great conference and if the “worst case” is status quo, that’s damn good.
We will just keep winning ball games.