AppStFan1 wrote: ↑

Sun May 12, 2024 4:24 pm

704App wrote: ↑

Sun May 12, 2024 4:18 pm

If you don't think Kelly and Saban were paying players well before NIL, you are living under a rock...

There won't be proof because it's all swept under the rug because there's too much money to be made if it's not...

Exactly. The only way to see proof is be very close with coaches or players who admit the truth. Recruits got paid in cash so it could not be traced. I think AppSt94 is just being sarcastic here because we all know that nobody was going to be dumb enough to give a player a check or make deposits into the kid or family's bank account directly.

AppWyo wrote: ↑

Sun May 12, 2024 5:32 pm

AppStFan1 wrote: ↑

Sun May 12, 2024 4:24 pm

704App wrote: ↑

Sun May 12, 2024 4:18 pm

If you don't think Kelly and Saban were paying players well before NIL, you are living under a rock...

There won't be proof because it's all swept under the rug because there's too much money to be made if it's not...

Exactly. The only way to see proof is be very close with coaches or players who admit the truth. Recruits got paid in cash so it could not be traced. I think AppSt94 is just being sarcastic here because we all know that nobody was going to be dumb enough to give a player a check or make deposits into the kid or family's bank account directly.

The biggest people hurt by the NIL are the Bag Men. https://blog.sbnation.com/2014/4/16/562 ... he-bag-man

704App wrote: ↑

Sun May 12, 2024 4:18 pm

If you don't think Kelly and Saban were paying players well before NIL, you are living under a rock...

There won't be proof because it's all swept under the rug because there's too much money to be made if it's not...

AppSt94 wrote: ↑

Sun May 12, 2024 7:31 pm

704App wrote: ↑

Sun May 12, 2024 4:18 pm

If you don't think Kelly and Saban were paying players well before NIL, you are living under a rock...

There won't be proof because it's all swept under the rug because there's too much money to be made if it's not...

People have two choices. They can either seek the truth or develop a conspiracy theory based on assumption and what they want to believe.

Never said that it didn’t happen. Never said that it isn’t possible. The poster blatantly accused Kelly of paying players. All I asked was for proof. I’ve never seen an accusation of him acting inappropriately so I’m interested in the salacious info that only he is privy.

Possible isn’t the same as definite. People need to remember that.

704App wrote: ↑

Sun May 12, 2024 8:02 pm

AppSt94 wrote: ↑

Sun May 12, 2024 7:31 pm

704App wrote: ↑

Sun May 12, 2024 4:18 pm

If you don't think Kelly and Saban were paying players well before NIL, you are living under a rock...

There won't be proof because it's all swept under the rug because there's too much money to be made if it's not...

People have two choices. They can either seek the truth or develop a conspiracy theory based on assumption and what they want to believe.

Never said that it didn’t happen. Never said that it isn’t possible. The poster blatantly accused Kelly of paying players. All I asked was for proof. I’ve never seen an accusation of him acting inappropriately so I’m interested in the salacious info that only he is privy.

Possible isn’t the same as definite. People need to remember that.

Sure. But, it's not a conspiracy theory when there's seemingly only one person in the entire world who doesn't think it happened..

Kelly 100% paid players. So did Saban. So did Carroll. So did Jimbo. So did Calipari. So did Billy Donovan. So did... the list goes on...

Saban is on record of saying something along the lines of "well they all get paid in the NFL so its harder" when he left the Dolphins to go to Bama. They ALL DID. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if Satt/Drink did it to an extent (obviously a MUCH smaller extent).

The only conspiracy theory here is that you think there's a conspiracy theory. You won't ever find proof because if there was proof, they would no longer be employed. Neither would their ADs. So it was all swept under the rug..

AppSt94 wrote: ↑

Sun May 12, 2024 8:23 pm

704App wrote: ↑

Sun May 12, 2024 8:02 pm

AppSt94 wrote: ↑

Sun May 12, 2024 7:31 pm

704App wrote: ↑

Sun May 12, 2024 4:18 pm

If you don't think Kelly and Saban were paying players well before NIL, you are living under a rock...

There won't be proof because it's all swept under the rug because there's too much money to be made if it's not...

People have two choices. They can either seek the truth or develop a conspiracy theory based on assumption and what they want to believe.

Never said that it didn’t happen. Never said that it isn’t possible. The poster blatantly accused Kelly of paying players. All I asked was for proof. I’ve never seen an accusation of him acting inappropriately so I’m interested in the salacious info that only he is privy.

Possible isn’t the same as definite. People need to remember that.

Sure. But, it's not a conspiracy theory when there's seemingly only one person in the entire world who doesn't think it happened..

Kelly 100% paid players. So did Saban. So did Carroll. So did Jimbo. So did Calipari. So did Billy Donovan. So did... the list goes on...

Saban is on record of saying something along the lines of "well they all get paid in the NFL so its harder" when he left the Dolphins to go to Bama. They ALL DID. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if Satt/Drink did it to an extent (obviously a MUCH smaller extent).

The only conspiracy theory here is that you think there's a conspiracy theory. You won't ever find proof because if there was proof, they would no longer be employed. Neither would their ADs. So it was all swept under the rug..

Believe what you want. Like I said. Can you prove that Kelly paid players? No. It’s easy for you to say that there is no proof because it’s swept under the rug because that absolves you of actually answering the question. Have a good evening.

Saint3333 wrote: ↑

Mon May 13, 2024 1:37 am

I thought he was being sarcastic, too bad, weird hill to die on.

AppStFan1 wrote: ↑

Mon May 13, 2024 11:12 am

AppSt94 wrote: ↑

Sun May 12, 2024 8:23 pm

704App wrote: ↑

Sun May 12, 2024 8:02 pm

AppSt94 wrote: ↑

Sun May 12, 2024 7:31 pm

704App wrote: ↑

Sun May 12, 2024 4:18 pm

If you don't think Kelly and Saban were paying players well before NIL, you are living under a rock...

There won't be proof because it's all swept under the rug because there's too much money to be made if it's not...

People have two choices. They can either seek the truth or develop a conspiracy theory based on assumption and what they want to believe.

Never said that it didn’t happen. Never said that it isn’t possible. The poster blatantly accused Kelly of paying players. All I asked was for proof. I’ve never seen an accusation of him acting inappropriately so I’m interested in the salacious info that only he is privy.

Possible isn’t the same as definite. People need to remember that.

Sure. But, it's not a conspiracy theory when there's seemingly only one person in the entire world who doesn't think it happened..

Kelly 100% paid players. So did Saban. So did Carroll. So did Jimbo. So did Calipari. So did Billy Donovan. So did... the list goes on...

Saban is on record of saying something along the lines of "well they all get paid in the NFL so its harder" when he left the Dolphins to go to Bama. They ALL DID. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if Satt/Drink did it to an extent (obviously a MUCH smaller extent).

The only conspiracy theory here is that you think there's a conspiracy theory. You won't ever find proof because if there was proof, they would no longer be employed. Neither would their ADs. So it was all swept under the rug..

Believe what you want. Like I said. Can you prove that Kelly paid players? No. It’s easy for you to say that there is no proof because it’s swept under the rug because that absolves you of actually answering the question. Have a good evening.

I think he probably believes Kelly has because it is the culture among power schools. Not all of them did it but a lot of them certainly did. I can say I have not heard stories or seen anything that would lead me to specifically accuse Brian Kelly of doing it.

This whole pay to play thing going on now always has happened and the reason some of these power coaches are complaining is because there were schools who did not break rules and now everyone can pay them. It is running up the price for players because there are way more bids now than there use to be. It is also taking away their advantage of being in the group who does it.

AppStFan1 wrote: ↑

Mon May 13, 2024 11:12 am

AppSt94 wrote: ↑

Sun May 12, 2024 8:23 pm

704App wrote: ↑

Sun May 12, 2024 8:02 pm

AppSt94 wrote: ↑

Sun May 12, 2024 7:31 pm

704App wrote: ↑

Sun May 12, 2024 4:18 pm

If you don't think Kelly and Saban were paying players well before NIL, you are living under a rock...

There won't be proof because it's all swept under the rug because there's too much money to be made if it's not...

People have two choices. They can either seek the truth or develop a conspiracy theory based on assumption and what they want to believe.

Never said that it didn’t happen. Never said that it isn’t possible. The poster blatantly accused Kelly of paying players. All I asked was for proof. I’ve never seen an accusation of him acting inappropriately so I’m interested in the salacious info that only he is privy.

Possible isn’t the same as definite. People need to remember that.

Sure. But, it's not a conspiracy theory when there's seemingly only one person in the entire world who doesn't think it happened..

Kelly 100% paid players. So did Saban. So did Carroll. So did Jimbo. So did Calipari. So did Billy Donovan. So did... the list goes on...

Saban is on record of saying something along the lines of "well they all get paid in the NFL so its harder" when he left the Dolphins to go to Bama. They ALL DID. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if Satt/Drink did it to an extent (obviously a MUCH smaller extent).

The only conspiracy theory here is that you think there's a conspiracy theory. You won't ever find proof because if there was proof, they would no longer be employed. Neither would their ADs. So it was all swept under the rug..

Believe what you want. Like I said. Can you prove that Kelly paid players? No. It’s easy for you to say that there is no proof because it’s swept under the rug because that absolves you of actually answering the question. Have a good evening.

I think he probably believes Kelly has because it is the culture among power schools. Not all of them did it but a lot of them certainly did. I can say I have not heard stories or seen anything that would lead me to specifically accuse Brian Kelly of doing it.

This whole pay to play thing going on now always has happened and the reason some of these power coaches are complaining is because there were schools who did not break rules and now everyone can pay them. It is running up the price for players because there are way more bids now than there use to be. It is also taking away their advantage of being in the group who does it.

AppSt94 wrote: ↑

Mon May 13, 2024 11:31 am

AppStFan1 wrote: ↑

Mon May 13, 2024 11:12 am

AppSt94 wrote: ↑

Sun May 12, 2024 8:23 pm

704App wrote: ↑

Sun May 12, 2024 8:02 pm

AppSt94 wrote: ↑

Sun May 12, 2024 7:31 pm

People have two choices. They can either seek the truth or develop a conspiracy theory based on assumption and what they want to believe.

Never said that it didn’t happen. Never said that it isn’t possible. The poster blatantly accused Kelly of paying players. All I asked was for proof. I’ve never seen an accusation of him acting inappropriately so I’m interested in the salacious info that only he is privy.

Possible isn’t the same as definite. People need to remember that.

Sure. But, it's not a conspiracy theory when there's seemingly only one person in the entire world who doesn't think it happened..

Kelly 100% paid players. So did Saban. So did Carroll. So did Jimbo. So did Calipari. So did Billy Donovan. So did... the list goes on...

Saban is on record of saying something along the lines of "well they all get paid in the NFL so its harder" when he left the Dolphins to go to Bama. They ALL DID. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if Satt/Drink did it to an extent (obviously a MUCH smaller extent).

The only conspiracy theory here is that you think there's a conspiracy theory. You won't ever find proof because if there was proof, they would no longer be employed. Neither would their ADs. So it was all swept under the rug..

Believe what you want. Like I said. Can you prove that Kelly paid players? No. It’s easy for you to say that there is no proof because it’s swept under the rug because that absolves you of actually answering the question. Have a good evening.

I think he probably believes Kelly has because it is the culture among power schools. Not all of them did it but a lot of them certainly did. I can say I have not heard stories or seen anything that would lead me to specifically accuse Brian Kelly of doing it.

This whole pay to play thing going on now always has happened and the reason some of these power coaches are complaining is because there were schools who did not break rules and now everyone can pay them. It is running up the price for players because there are way more bids now than there use to be. It is also taking away their advantage of being in the group who does it.

My point exactly. Applying guilty by association without proof is just lazy thinking. I never said that it hasn’t happened. I never implied that I wasn’t prepared to believe it. Just show me the proof that Kelly himself has done it? He couldn’t so he went the time old argument that he must because everyone does it, or at least he thinks they are.

AppStFan1 wrote: ↑

Mon May 13, 2024 11:43 am

AppSt94 wrote: ↑

Mon May 13, 2024 11:31 am

AppStFan1 wrote: ↑

Mon May 13, 2024 11:12 am

AppSt94 wrote: ↑

Sun May 12, 2024 8:23 pm

704App wrote: ↑

Sun May 12, 2024 8:02 pm

Sure. But, it's not a conspiracy theory when there's seemingly only one person in the entire world who doesn't think it happened..

Kelly 100% paid players. So did Saban. So did Carroll. So did Jimbo. So did Calipari. So did Billy Donovan. So did... the list goes on...

Saban is on record of saying something along the lines of "well they all get paid in the NFL so its harder" when he left the Dolphins to go to Bama. They ALL DID. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if Satt/Drink did it to an extent (obviously a MUCH smaller extent).

The only conspiracy theory here is that you think there's a conspiracy theory. You won't ever find proof because if there was proof, they would no longer be employed. Neither would their ADs. So it was all swept under the rug..

Believe what you want. Like I said. Can you prove that Kelly paid players? No. It’s easy for you to say that there is no proof because it’s swept under the rug because that absolves you of actually answering the question. Have a good evening.

I think he probably believes Kelly has because it is the culture among power schools. Not all of them did it but a lot of them certainly did. I can say I have not heard stories or seen anything that would lead me to specifically accuse Brian Kelly of doing it.

This whole pay to play thing going on now always has happened and the reason some of these power coaches are complaining is because there were schools who did not break rules and now everyone can pay them. It is running up the price for players because there are way more bids now than there use to be. It is also taking away their advantage of being in the group who does it.

My point exactly. Applying guilty by association without proof is just lazy thinking. I never said that it hasn’t happened. I never implied that I wasn’t prepared to believe it. Just show me the proof that Kelly himself has done it? He couldn’t so he went the time old argument that he must because everyone does it, or at least he thinks they are.

That is true. So many did it that I am not surprised by any doing it. It is like 90s MLB being called the steroid era. I think many people just assume all of them who finished high up in the home run numbers were doing it when some of them did not do it.

704App wrote: ↑

Mon May 13, 2024 12:40 pm

Kelly put Notre Dame on probation for illegally contacting players. If you think that is the extent he, and any other P4 coach with a shot at the natty, go to win, cool, you're allowed to believe that.

But don't get all defensive asking for proof knowing full well there won't be proof. That's like asking for proof I took a shit this morning.. I mean, I did it, but it's long gone and can't be found.

AppStFan1 wrote: ↑

Mon May 13, 2024 12:48 pm

704App wrote: ↑

Mon May 13, 2024 12:40 pm

Kelly put Notre Dame on probation for illegally contacting players. If you think that is the extent he, and any other P4 coach with a shot at the natty, go to win, cool, you're allowed to believe that.

But don't get all defensive asking for proof knowing full well there won't be proof. That's like asking for proof I took a shit this morning.. I mean, I did it, but it's long gone and can't be found.

Here is an article to what you are talking about: https://sports.yahoo.com/notre-dame-vio ... 35374.html

I can see both sides here. Illegal contact does not equal paying off players but if you are willing to break one rule I can see breaking others. It does not guarantee it though so I can see why AppSt94 feels you need some type of proof and why you feel like he likely is because he did this. I personally have never heard anything on him beyond the illegal contact case. Like I said before, I am not going to die on the hill either way but nothing would surprise me.

Bootsy wrote: ↑

Mon May 13, 2024 2:47 pm

AppStFan1 wrote: ↑

Mon May 13, 2024 12:48 pm

704App wrote: ↑

Mon May 13, 2024 12:40 pm

Kelly put Notre Dame on probation for illegally contacting players. If you think that is the extent he, and any other P4 coach with a shot at the natty, go to win, cool, you're allowed to believe that.

But don't get all defensive asking for proof knowing full well there won't be proof. That's like asking for proof I took a shit this morning.. I mean, I did it, but it's long gone and can't be found.

Here is an article to what you are talking about: https://sports.yahoo.com/notre-dame-vio ... 35374.html

I can see both sides here. Illegal contact does not equal paying off players though. Some think if you are willing to break one rule then you break others but this is minor. Like I said before, I am not going to die on the hill either way but nothing would surprise me.

Football season cannot get here soon enough...

AppSt94 wrote: ↑

Mon May 13, 2024 12:51 pm

“The NCAA found that Notre Dame head coach Brian Kelly also had impermissible off-campus contact with a prospect in October 2019 when the player recognized the Irish head coach walking through a high school cafeteria in Pickerington, Ohio, and asked him to take a photo. The NCAA said Kelly initially declined before ultimately allowing the photo.”

What a scumbag that Kelly is.