They finally gave the Rose Bowl an ultimatum, get on board or get left behind.

2 years to get our house in order!

This changes the game for G5. Recruiting, coaching, finances. Great move for all of CFB. The only people against it will be the top tier SEC schools. Makes you wonder how it would affect coaches with P5 desires. Money may be more but you could have a better shot at the playoff in the G5.

I think you could see some new reverse conference alignment. If the new contract says the top 6 conferences you may see some schools get more local (ACC). You don't have to be better than the SEC just better than the AAC and Sunbelt. I could see ND, UNC, Duke, Wake, NC State, Virginia, Stanford, Vanderbilt, Indiana, Georgia Tech making a league of like minds academically. This league could easily get two teams and VERY GOOD shot of 1 every year (6th best league) and keep their academic standards high.

I like to view some of these sports deals in terms of ROI. For example the Dodgers and Yankees have ridiculously high payrolls but they have lucrative TV deals so it's not a huge deal to spend the money. If one of them wins the WS do they really make a lot of money from the win itself? Outside of their immediate markets there aren't a ton of fans who buy stuff or pay to watch games. Mid level teams obviously can't pay huge salaries and even if one of them goes on a crazy roll and wins the Series they ultimately probably lose money.

The big college teams in big conferences reap the benefits of television deals so the schools who generally don't really compete still get paid. What would be the actual payout to a school who makes the playoff? I'd like to think that your average G5 from the Belt, MAC, CUSA, Mtn West or even the new AAC would not make humongous money with a playoff spot and schools would have to up the bonuses for coaches. Theoretically how much net benefit would App see by sliding in to a playoff (assume a one and done)? For any G5 to make it that far they have to get through a CCG hopefully without serious injury and have the depth to face a tough opponent in the playoffs. Hope it works out but realistically it's still going to be tough and we all know the powers that be will try to screw the little guy.

I believe that no P5 will want to play a G5 in the playoffs, because it may expose how much of a fraud they really are. Just ask Texas A&M how they were a playoff contender until Appalachian left College Station.

ASUFan4863 wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:19 am

This changes the game for G5. Recruiting, coaching, finances. Great move for all of CFB. The only people against it will be the top tier SEC schools. Makes you wonder how it would affect coaches with P5 desires. Money may be more but you could have a better shot at the playoff in the G5.

The SEC is the one that was pushing this from the beginning. Had it been up to them we would have had 12 teams already. The other conferences are the ones that got in the way. It was only after them seeing how quickly they would become irrelevant (after USC, UCLA left Pac12) that everyone else got on board. The SEC will get 3-4 in annually, why on earth would you think they would be against that?

spacemonkey wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:34 am

I think you could see some new reverse conference alignment. If the new contract says the top 6 conferences you may see some schools get more local (ACC). You don't have to be better than the SEC just better than the AAC and Sunbelt. I could see ND, UNC, Duke, Wake, NC State, Virginia, Stanford, Vanderbilt, Indiana, Georgia Tech making a league of like minds academically. This league could easily get two teams and VERY GOOD shot of 1 every year (6th best league) and keep their academic standards high.

The ACC teams are stuck and can't move anywhere due to their grant of rights. And why on earth would Vandy ever leave the SEC and that huge paycheck they get? Same goes for Indiana. Money talks and the SEC and Big10 have it so no team will leave them in the foreseeable future and the ACC is just stuck unless they find a way to expand.

t4pizza wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:23 pm

spacemonkey wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:34 am

I think you could see some new reverse conference alignment. If the new contract says the top 6 conferences you may see some schools get more local (ACC). You don't have to be better than the SEC just better than the AAC and Sunbelt. I could see ND, UNC, Duke, Wake, NC State, Virginia, Stanford, Vanderbilt, Indiana, Georgia Tech making a league of like minds academically. This league could easily get two teams and VERY GOOD shot of 1 every year (6th best league) and keep their academic standards high.

The ACC teams are stuck and can't move anywhere due to their grant of rights. And why on earth would Vandy ever leave the SEC and that huge paycheck they get? Same goes for Indiana. Money talks and the SEC and Big10 have it so no team will leave them in the foreseeable future and the ACC is just stuck unless they find a way to expand.

The top teams in those conferences don't want any of the perennial bottom feeders to leave. Those are typically easier wins. Hard to really see 3-4 SEC teams make if there are 8 automatic qualifiers out of 12. They will still beat up on each other and you will have an LSU deal- really good but 3 maybe 4 losses.

bigdaddyg wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:29 pm

t4pizza wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:23 pm

spacemonkey wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:34 am

I think you could see some new reverse conference alignment. If the new contract says the top 6 conferences you may see some schools get more local (ACC). You don't have to be better than the SEC just better than the AAC and Sunbelt. I could see ND, UNC, Duke, Wake, NC State, Virginia, Stanford, Vanderbilt, Indiana, Georgia Tech making a league of like minds academically. This league could easily get two teams and VERY GOOD shot of 1 every year (6th best league) and keep their academic standards high.

The ACC teams are stuck and can't move anywhere due to their grant of rights. And why on earth would Vandy ever leave the SEC and that huge paycheck they get? Same goes for Indiana. Money talks and the SEC and Big10 have it so no team will leave them in the foreseeable future and the ACC is just stuck unless they find a way to expand.

The top teams in those conferences don't want any of the perennial bottom feeders to leave. Those are typically easier wins. Hard to really see 3-4 SEC teams make if there are 8 automatic qualifiers out of 12. They will still beat up on each other and you will have an LSU deal- really good but 3 maybe 4 losses.

There will only be 6 automatic qualifiers and 6 at large. Each of the top 6 ranked conference champs will be auto qualifiers. the rest will be up to the committee. Just look at this year, if we were at 12, the SEC would get Georgia, Bama, Tennessee and maybe LSU depending on how they finish up against Georgia. The Big10 would probably get 3 in with Michigan, Ohio State and Penn State.

Something meaningful to play for. Hope we will be ready to take advantage of it along with the rest of of the SBC.

t4pizza wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 01, 2022 2:37 pm

bigdaddyg wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:29 pm

t4pizza wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:23 pm

spacemonkey wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:34 am

I think you could see some new reverse conference alignment. If the new contract says the top 6 conferences you may see some schools get more local (ACC). You don't have to be better than the SEC just better than the AAC and Sunbelt. I could see ND, UNC, Duke, Wake, NC State, Virginia, Stanford, Vanderbilt, Indiana, Georgia Tech making a league of like minds academically. This league could easily get two teams and VERY GOOD shot of 1 every year (6th best league) and keep their academic standards high.

The ACC teams are stuck and can't move anywhere due to their grant of rights. And why on earth would Vandy ever leave the SEC and that huge paycheck they get? Same goes for Indiana. Money talks and the SEC and Big10 have it so no team will leave them in the foreseeable future and the ACC is just stuck unless they find a way to expand.

The top teams in those conferences don't want any of the perennial bottom feeders to leave. Those are typically easier wins. Hard to really see 3-4 SEC teams make if there are 8 automatic qualifiers out of 12. They will still beat up on each other and you will have an LSU deal- really good but 3 maybe 4 losses.

There will only be 6 automatic qualifiers and 6 at large. Each of the top 6 ranked conference champs will be auto qualifiers. the rest will be up to the committee. Just look at this year, if we were at 12, the SEC would get Georgia, Bama, Tennessee and maybe LSU depending on how they finish up against Georgia. The Big10 would probably get 3 in with Michigan, Ohio State and Penn State.

Yep had my numbers wrong.

t4pizza wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:23 pm

spacemonkey wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:34 am

I think you could see some new reverse conference alignment. If the new contract says the top 6 conferences you may see some schools get more local (ACC). You don't have to be better than the SEC just better than the AAC and Sunbelt. I could see ND, UNC, Duke, Wake, NC State, Virginia, Stanford, Vanderbilt, Indiana, Georgia Tech making a league of like minds academically. This league could easily get two teams and VERY GOOD shot of 1 every year (6th best league) and keep their academic standards high.

The ACC teams are stuck and can't move anywhere due to their grant of rights. And why on earth would Vandy ever leave the SEC and that huge paycheck they get? Same goes for Indiana. Money talks and the SEC and Big10 have it so no team will leave them in the foreseeable future and the ACC is just stuck unless they find a way to expand.

Notre Dame...A league with Notre Dame is going to get paid.

spacemonkey wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:07 am

t4pizza wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:23 pm

spacemonkey wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:34 am

I think you could see some new reverse conference alignment. If the new contract says the top 6 conferences you may see some schools get more local (ACC). You don't have to be better than the SEC just better than the AAC and Sunbelt. I could see ND, UNC, Duke, Wake, NC State, Virginia, Stanford, Vanderbilt, Indiana, Georgia Tech making a league of like minds academically. This league could easily get two teams and VERY GOOD shot of 1 every year (6th best league) and keep their academic standards high.

The ACC teams are stuck and can't move anywhere due to their grant of rights. And why on earth would Vandy ever leave the SEC and that huge paycheck they get? Same goes for Indiana. Money talks and the SEC and Big10 have it so no team will leave them in the foreseeable future and the ACC is just stuck unless they find a way to expand.

Notre Dame...A league with Notre Dame is going to get paid.

Sure, but they have shown that they are not interested in joining a conference, especially when it is not necessary for a path to the playoffs. They will stay independent as long as they have playoff access.

Good point. With 6 at large spots ND does not need a conference.

spacemonkey wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 02, 2022 5:08 pm

Good point. With 6 at large spots ND does not need a conference.

What they need is a 16 team playoff with the power five getting an automatic qualifier for the two division champs and the group of five getting an automatic qualifier for their conference champ. Then the 16th automatic qualifier will be Notre Dame regardless of record.