Clemson game thread and discussion

[yosef69]

Satterfield inherited a mediocre FCS team.

Clark inherited a top 25 FBS team.

Let’s see what happens the next three weeks before the knives come out.

Agree to disagree.

You can’t disagree with facts. When Clark was hired, we were ranked #19.

[Saint3333]

I agree too soon to discuss drastic moves, but please stop comparing Satt and Clark.

One brought us the golden era of our time in FCS as OC and orchestrated the best FBS transition in the history of CFB along with three conference titles playing against our peers.

The standard at App is winning championships, Satt has 17 rings as a player and coach.

[Saint3333]

Satterfield inherited a mediocre FCS team.

Clark inherited a top 25 FBS team.

Let’s see what happens the next three weeks before the knives come out.

Agree to disagree.

You disagree App was ranked #19 to finish the 2019 season. Facts are tough!

Finished 2018 #26 too.

[AppSt94]

For how many seasons can you sunshine pumpers say the same shit? Honestly. Give me a number.

Because it isn’t as bad as you want to believe that it is. Clark and his staff took a big chance on revamping the defensive scheme in the middle of the season that was going bad and he asked his players to believe in them. They went 6-1 to finish the season. We are where we thought we would be after two games record wise. But all of you that can’t stand the positivity want to focus on are the losses. Clark’s win % is comparable to Satt’s but hey you know, he isn’t the guy.

Last night was personally the worst thing I’ve experienced as an App fan. I’m 46. I’m not sure what you mean by revamping defensive scheme but you can’t watch last night and say there’s not some sort of issue in coaching. Our Defense has not been right for some time .

Last night was bad. No one is arguing that. We switched to the Star package as our base last year mid season. We finished the season 6-1 against peer programs and started this year with a win. We are 7-2 since that switch but all anyone wants to judge the program on is last night. OK.

Ok. You agree last night was the worst? That’s a start.

A start to what? You want me to lose my shit because we got boat-raced by a team that took the best team in the country to halftime 6-0 the week before. You want me to throw in the towel because the #1 ranked QB recruit three years ago started the game 13/13? Sorry, I can watch last night and see some issues that need to be corrected. I can also take it for what it was in that Clemson is far and away the best team and most complete team that we will face the rest of the year. Should it have gone the way it did? No. Will we go 10-0 the rest of the way? Hopefully but not likely. Games like last night happen. They suck and thankfully they don’t happen to us often, but they do. Did people want Satt fired after Miami came to Boone and blew us out? Don’t recall but if they did then they were idiots. Let’s see how it plays out. Do I think Shawn is the right guy? I do. His players believe in him and that’s the sign of a good leader. Thankfully, the decision isn’t up to some of you chuckle heads.

[AppSt94]

Satterfield inherited a mediocre FCS team.

Clark inherited a top 25 FBS team.

Let’s see what happens the next three weeks before the knives come out.

Agree to disagree.

You disagree App was ranked #19 to finish the 2019 season. Facts are tough!

Did they start 2020 in the Top 25?

[yosef69]

Satterfield inherited a mediocre FCS team.

Clark inherited a top 25 FBS team.

Let’s see what happens the next three weeks before the knives come out.

Agree to disagree.

You disagree App was ranked #19 to finish the 2019 season. Facts are tough!

Did they start 2020 in the Top 25?

When he was hired, they were ranked in the top 25. It’s really simple dude.

[mountaineerman]

Because it isn’t as bad as you want to believe that it is. Clark and his staff took a big chance on revamping the defensive scheme in the middle of the season that was going bad and he asked his players to believe in them. They went 6-1 to finish the season. We are where we thought we would be after two games record wise. But all of you that can’t stand the positivity want to focus on are the losses. Clark’s win % is comparable to Satt’s but hey you know, he isn’t the guy.

Last night was personally the worst thing I’ve experienced as an App fan. I’m 46. I’m not sure what you mean by revamping defensive scheme but you can’t watch last night and say there’s not some sort of issue in coaching. Our Defense has not been right for some time .

Last night was bad. No one is arguing that. We switched to the Star package as our base last year mid season. We finished the season 6-1 against peer programs and started this year with a win. We are 7-2 since that switch but all anyone wants to judge the program on is last night. OK.

Ok. You agree last night was the worst? That’s a start.

A start to what? You want me to lose my shit because we got boat-raced by a team that took the best team in the country to halftime 6-0 the week before. You want me to throw in the towel because the #1 ranked QB recruit three years ago started the game 13/13? Sorry, I can watch last night and see some issues that need to be corrected. I can also take it for what it was in that Clemson is far and away the best team and most complete team that we will face the rest of the year. Should it have gone the way it did? No. Will we go 10-0 the rest of the way? Hopefully but not likely. Games like last night happen. They suck and thankfully they don’t happen to us often, but they do. Did people want Satt fired after Miami came to Boone and blew us out? Don’t recall but if they did then they were idiots. Let’s see how it plays out. Do I think Shawn is the right guy? I do. His players believe in him and that’s the sign of a good leader. Thankfully, the decision isn’t up to some of you chuckle heads.

I don’t know what you’re yelling about? But you seem like you’re losing you’re sh$t . No one has said throwing in the towel but you. This chuckle head is a Fan that is looking and seeing what’s actually happening. Goodnight buddy.

[Saint3333]

Some people refuse to have an objective conversation on both sides of this debate even if it means they are intellectually dishonest when presented with facts.

[yosef69]

Some people refuse to have an objective conversation on both sides of this debate even if it means they are intellectually dishonest when presented with facts.

My question is why someone would actively hate Clark and be rooting against him. It’s been 5 years. We haven’t completed our stated goal with him at the helm once. Our once great defense sucks and has sucked for years.

I love Clark as a person. I wish he was doing well here.

[mountaineerman]

Some people refuse to have an objective conversation on both sides of this debate even if it means they are intellectually dishonest when presented with facts.

My question is why someone would actively hate Clark and be rooting against him. It’s been 5 years. We haven’t completed our stated goal with him at the helm once. Our once great defense sucks and has sucked for years.

I love Clark as a person. I wish he was doing well here.

Nobody on this page actively hates Clark that I know. Are we concerned I am.

[AppSt94]

Satterfield inherited a mediocre FCS team.

Clark inherited a top 25 FBS team.

Let’s see what happens the next three weeks before the knives come out.

Agree to disagree.

You disagree App was ranked #19 to finish the 2019 season. Facts are tough!

Did they start 2020 in the Top 25?

When he was hired, they were ranked in the top 25. It’s really simple dude.

It’s really not that simple dude. They finished 2019 in the Top 25. They didn’t start 2020 in the Top 25. He inherited some of the talent just as Eli did. That didn’t make them a Top 25 team. It’s fine, you aren’t interested in how the mechanism of operating a college football program. None of this bothered you until the wins were fewer. Nothing is static year over. You can’t lose a piece of the puzzle and replace it with an exact replica. It doesn’t work that way. Players don’t always get better over the off season. If every team got better each year then no one would lose. The goal of any coach is to get better each and every day but it just doesn’t happen. If it did, we wouldn’t have stop winning championship after 2007. Deandre Presley wasn’t the next Armanti. Whoever replace Corey Lynch wasn’t the next Corey Lynch. This has all been explained ad nauseum. If you don’t want to understand it then I can’t help you.

[AppSt94]

Some people refuse to have an objective conversation on both sides of this debate even if it means they are intellectually dishonest when presented with facts.

Present me facts and we can discuss. The 2019 team finished the year ranked. He won the bowl game with that team. The 2020 team was not ranked and it wasn’t the same team. Move along. You are out of your depth.

[Saint3333]

There were a couple of clowns that only show up when we fail, those are unfortunate. But every App fan I personally know wants Clark and any Mountaineer to succeed. Having an objective take is still fair game in society, at least the one I’d like to live in.

[yosef69]

Some people refuse to have an objective conversation on both sides of this debate even if it means they are intellectually dishonest when presented with facts.

My question is why someone would actively hate Clark and be rooting against him. It’s been 5 years. We haven’t completed our stated goal with him at the helm once. Our once great defense sucks and has sucked for years.

I love Clark as a person. I wish he was doing well here.

Nobody on this page actively hates Clark that I know. Are we concerned I am.

It’s the go to argument from his greatest defenders, that we want to see him fail. And it’s a ridiculous take that makes no sense.

[Saint3333]

Some people refuse to have an objective conversation on both sides of this debate even if it means they are intellectually dishonest when presented with facts.

Present me facts and we can discuss. The 2019 team finished the year ranked. He won the bowl game with that team. The 2020 team was not ranked and it wasn’t the same team. Move along. You are out of your depth.

No you are being intellectually dishonest and it’s clear to everyone. I’ve never taken orders from you, never will. The pompous attitude is unfounded.

[yosef69]

Some people refuse to have an objective conversation on both sides of this debate even if it means they are intellectually dishonest when presented with facts.

Present me facts and we can discuss. The 2019 team finished the year ranked. He won the bowl game with that team. The 2020 team was not ranked and it wasn’t the same team. Move along. You are out of your depth.

12/8/2019 AP Poll - app state #20
12/13/2019 - Shawn Clark hired

He quite literally inherited a top 20 FBS team. You are out of your depth.

[AppStFan1]

Some people refuse to have an objective conversation on both sides of this debate even if it means they are intellectually dishonest when presented with facts.

My question is why someone would actively hate Clark and be rooting against him. It’s been 5 years. We haven’t completed our stated goal with him at the helm once. Our once great defense sucks and has sucked for years.

I love Clark as a person. I wish he was doing well here.

Nobody on this page actively hates Clark that I know. Are we concerned I am.

It’s the go to argument from his greatest defenders, that we want to see him fail. And it’s a ridiculous take that makes no sense.

I don't think I have spoken to one person who wants to move on from Clark who is happy about it. Everyone, except Everts maybe, wanted him to succeed. I thought last year he was done and was ready to move on after the season but then we had the turnaround. I was very happy about the turnaround and believed that we should go 10-2 this year if we got some help on the lines. I think the defenders and those who want Clark gone should probably table that conversation until things play out. What if we finish 10-2, win the SBC title game, and then win a bowl to go 12-2? I am not expecting quite that good but it is way too early to count anything out.

I will say that I expect to GATA against ECU. We are -2.5 favorites on ESPN.com right now. If we don't win by 20 or more I will be let down. I expect this game to be for us what our game was for Clemson.

[Black Saturday]

Some people refuse to have an objective conversation on both sides of this debate even if it means they are intellectually dishonest when presented with facts.

My question is why someone would actively hate Clark and be rooting against him. It’s been 5 years. We haven’t completed our stated goal with him at the helm once. Our once great defense sucks and has sucked for years.

I love Clark as a person. I wish he was doing well here.

Nobody on this page actively hates Clark that I know. Are we concerned I am.

It’s the go to argument from his greatest defenders, that we want to see him fail. And it’s a ridiculous take that makes no sense.

I don't think I have spoken to one person who wants to move on from Clark who is happy about it. Everyone, except Everts maybe, wanted him to succeed. I thought last year he was done and was ready to move on after the season but then we had the turnaround. I was very happy about the turnaround and believed that we should go 10-2 this year if we got some help on the lines. I think the defenders and those who want Clark gone should probably table that conversation until things play out. What if we finish 10-2, win the SBC title game, and then win a bowl to go 12-2? I am not expecting quite that good but it is way too early to count anything out.

I will say that I expect to GATA against ECU. We are -2.5 favorites on ESPN.com right now. If we don't win by 20 or more I will be let down. I expect this game to be for us what our game was for Clemson.

20 points? Careful that's a lot of points to hang your hat on. I'd expect ECU has improved since last year. I think we'll win, by a couple of scores considering what happened, 10-14, because of the style we lost. ECU is closer to APP in talent than APP is to Clemson.

Early last week, I thought we'd catch Clemson's best shot, but as the week progressed my Black & Gold glasses got fogged and I thought we'd hang with them.

[AppSt94]

Some people refuse to have an objective conversation on both sides of this debate even if it means they are intellectually dishonest when presented with facts.

Present me facts and we can discuss. The 2019 team finished the year ranked. He won the bowl game with that team. The 2020 team was not ranked and it wasn’t the same team. Move along. You are out of your depth.

12/8/2019 AP Poll - app state #20
12/13/2019 - Shawn Clark hired

He quite literally inherited a top 20 FBS team. You are out of your depth.

And he went 1-0 with that ranked team. As I said and please read it slower. The 2020 team did not start the season ranked. Rankings do not start carry over to the next season. Enjoy your day.

[Saint3333]

You introduced the concept comparing Satt and Clark. Facts were presented that Satt clearly performed better and the program got better during his time.

You then latched on to a nuance of rankings at a point in time while attempting to demean two posters saying slow down and you're out of our depth.

2018 - App finished #26
2019 - App finished #19

That is inheriting a top 25 program. Even if you'd like to play games with semantics no one could argue Clark inherited an inferior program to Satt. Then if you were to compare the results against our peers Satt wins handily.

We've got a lot of football left in 2024 and all but the couple of crazies in the game thread are pulling for Clark no matter the picture you try to paint.

You provide great third-hand information at times from talking to folks on Jack Branch, but you are losing credibility when it comes to having an objective conversation about Clark.

Beat ECU, I still believe this team has the talent to win the SBC.