Bigdaddyg1 wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 17, 2024 1:03 pm

I think the aspect I struggle with is trying to apply “value” to players, particularly at App. The eyeballs tell you that certain players are obviously more value based on projected rate of return. There is also value to backups as seen last Saturday. Where it gets tough is for that 3rd and 4th string QB, freshman linemen who most likely won’t play a snap this year. How about the backup punter? Everyone serves a purpose be it as scout team guys or in practice but is it fair to determine how much to pay our players? Who exactly makes that call? Is it negotiated between the player/parents/an uncle and the coaching staff? It was so much better when basically 85 guys were all treated equally. The whole thing is quickly spiraling out of control.

AppSt94 wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 17, 2024 1:13 pm

Bigdaddyg1 wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 17, 2024 1:03 pm

I think the aspect I struggle with is trying to apply “value” to players, particularly at App. The eyeballs tell you that certain players are obviously more value based on projected rate of return. There is also value to backups as seen last Saturday. Where it gets tough is for that 3rd and 4th string QB, freshman linemen who most likely won’t play a snap this year. How about the backup punter? Everyone serves a purpose be it as scout team guys or in practice but is it fair to determine how much to pay our players? Who exactly makes that call? Is it negotiated between the player/parents/an uncle and the coaching staff? It was so much better when basically 85 guys were all treated equally. The whole thing is quickly spiraling out of control.

I was told that Florida St has a defensive lineman getting $850k. How is that working out for them and the dude that stroked that check?

Appst86 wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:47 pm

Some fans may stay home due to the increased costs but I think the real risk is losing donors that fundamentally disagree with pay-for-play. My Yosef Club donations are for scholarships and I'm fine with that. As the lines between scholarships and pay-for-play become more unclear, I may choose to donate my charitable dollars elsewhere. I suspect what I give to the Yosef club might have a greater impact if received by a college-bound kid at Rosman High School in Transylvania County.

spacemonkey wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 17, 2024 1:10 pm

I paid $70 bucks to the ECU game. It amazed me how many App Students were at the ECU game. Was their a student ticket? and if so, how much was the student ticket? It amazes me that students can afford to pay that for tickets or are willing to do it. I must just be getting old and $70 bucks is not what $70 bucks used to be.

moonshine wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:51 pm

I was seriously thinking about this after the ECU game as a way App could try and "compete" in the NIL era. However, I wasn't thinking in percentages, I figured $2 per ticket. Say 15k tickets (not including students), for easy math, with 6 games would produce an extra $180k per season to add to what the collective is able to bring in. Not a huge increase for fans to absorb and may help to keep some talent App finds. For comparison, UTk's cheapest ticket I found on their website was $64 against UTEP so we'll call the "10% talent fee" $6. For 100k tickets over 7 games, the Vols can generate a minimum of $4.2m a season just on tickets. If App charged $6 per ticket (15k tix/6 games), it would bring in $540k. The financials are not in the same universe!

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of how the new era is unfolding, but if you don't adjust to work in the new reality, you'll likely struggle to compete.

311neers wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 17, 2024 1:16 pm

AppSt94 wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 17, 2024 1:13 pm

Bigdaddyg1 wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 17, 2024 1:03 pm

I think the aspect I struggle with is trying to apply “value” to players, particularly at App. The eyeballs tell you that certain players are obviously more value based on projected rate of return. There is also value to backups as seen last Saturday. Where it gets tough is for that 3rd and 4th string QB, freshman linemen who most likely won’t play a snap this year. How about the backup punter? Everyone serves a purpose be it as scout team guys or in practice but is it fair to determine how much to pay our players? Who exactly makes that call? Is it negotiated between the player/parents/an uncle and the coaching staff? It was so much better when basically 85 guys were all treated equally. The whole thing is quickly spiraling out of control.

I was told that Florida St has a defensive lineman getting $850k. How is that working out for them and the dude that stroked that check?

Saban said watch what happens when they pay the wrong guys... Marvin Jones Jr at FSU a perfect example.

biggie wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 17, 2024 1:19 pm

I'm not sure where people are finding money for our tickets now. I'm probably not making any games next year after my 2 games left this year that I have tickets to due to having to cut back.

Bigdaddyg1 wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 17, 2024 1:03 pm

I think the aspect I struggle with is trying to apply “value” to players, particularly at App. The eyeballs tell you that certain players are obviously more value based on projected rate of return. There is also value to backups as seen last Saturday. Where it gets tough is for that 3rd and 4th string QB, freshman linemen who most likely won’t play a snap this year. How about the backup punter? Everyone serves a purpose be it as scout team guys or in practice but is it fair to determine how much to pay our players? Who exactly makes that call? Is it negotiated between the player/parents/an uncle and the coaching staff? It was so much better when basically 85 guys were all treated equally. The whole thing is quickly spiraling out of control.

AppStFan1 wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 17, 2024 1:21 pm

311neers wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 17, 2024 1:16 pm

AppSt94 wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 17, 2024 1:13 pm

Bigdaddyg1 wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 17, 2024 1:03 pm

I think the aspect I struggle with is trying to apply “value” to players, particularly at App. The eyeballs tell you that certain players are obviously more value based on projected rate of return. There is also value to backups as seen last Saturday. Where it gets tough is for that 3rd and 4th string QB, freshman linemen who most likely won’t play a snap this year. How about the backup punter? Everyone serves a purpose be it as scout team guys or in practice but is it fair to determine how much to pay our players? Who exactly makes that call? Is it negotiated between the player/parents/an uncle and the coaching staff? It was so much better when basically 85 guys were all treated equally. The whole thing is quickly spiraling out of control.

I was told that Florida St has a defensive lineman getting $850k. How is that working out for them and the dude that stroked that check?

Saban said watch what happens when they pay the wrong guys... Marvin Jones Jr at FSU a perfect example.

Exactly. This is all setting up for fans to turn on players. Players who are busts and don't earn their money better get ready for fans to come at them wanting a refund or something.

Stonewall wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 17, 2024 1:35 pm

Interesting. I agree with just about everything above. Hmmm. Perhaps I should reconsider. In any event the Athletic Department has been directed to develop a plan to ensure that we don’t get left behind. When I asked for clarification it was a bit murky but being in the top sixty when the split comes was basically the response. I don’t know that we can pull it off.