Liberty U

[appstatealum]

So, I read a lot of the 'hate' Liberty receives from us AppSt brethren, but....
Unpopular opinion incoming, and it is a lengthy read, but may be worth it to some- I started my grad school this January at....you guessed it....Liberty University. It was the only University that offered the specific program I wanted to take with mainly online classes. Ironically, App State was the only regional school near me offering it, which was my first choice, but due to my career/kid situation, driving to Boone 4 days per week from Charlotte was not an option. My other options were ACTUAL diploma mills like Capella etc. No thanks. I had my reservations about Liberty for many of the reasons we all joke about, and while I am a strong Christian, I am not a fan of the Falwells, or any 'popular' evangelicals in that realm- most are not representative of the Christ I know. Nevertheless, I work within the fortune 500 corporate world and work directly with many Universities as well, and Liberty seemed to be the best option.
I am studying for a historically very liberal degree and one that is highly regulated for ethics/bias etc. Almost a year in, I can see why Liberty is a popular option for online studies. Their systems, support, deans and admin are phenomenol. Politics, overt evangelical bias, homophobia or any other terms we have slapped them with are non-existent. Sorry to ruin it for us. In fact, I've had a stronger balance of Professors who I felt like were "middle ground" than I remember experiencing at App many moons ago. Politics or biases are non-existent. I can't speak for campus students or any other degree programs, but every interaction I've had with folks all the way up to the Dean of my department are well versed, have high level credentials/resumes, and are incredibly professional. My program rubrics have mirrored almost all.other universities I've seen verbatim, but actually even requiring additional courses to fit state licensure requirements better.
Any way. With that said, I wouldn't be caught dead rooting for Liberty and I hope we crush them. My alma-mater is and always will be AppSt. I hated not being able to do grad school through App, so does my wallet. I told the App State Dean that begged me to attend that they needed to extend options to Hickory and I would've been all over it.

[spacemonkey]

Hickory has the potential to solve a lot of App problems. I hope we get the funding to make it a legitimate choice for the west side of the State. Boone is special...but Hickory is practical and they need us and we need them. I really hope we get a medical school in Hickory at some point....This should be our #1 goal as a university. There is not a public university medical school for more than 2/3 of the 9th largest state in the union.

[BambooRdApp]

I believe the hickory campus is reporting an increase in enrollment over last year. Although it has not probably been what was expected in the original forecasts when setting it up. Hopefully, it continues to increase.
It is a great location to the two larger highways..great for commuter school..

[AppDub]

So, I read a lot of the 'hate' Liberty receives from us AppSt brethren, but....
Unpopular opinion incoming, and it is a lengthy read, but may be worth it to some- I started my grad school this January at....you guessed it....Liberty University. It was the only University that offered the specific program I wanted to take with mainly online classes. Ironically, App State was the only regional school near me offering it, which was my first choice, but due to my career/kid situation, driving to Boone 4 days per week from Charlotte was not an option. My other options were ACTUAL diploma mills like Capella etc. No thanks. I had my reservations about Liberty for many of the reasons we all joke about, and while I am a strong Christian, I am not a fan of the Falwells, or any 'popular' evangelicals in that realm- most are not representative of the Christ I know. Nevertheless, I work within the fortune 500 corporate world and work directly with many Universities as well, and Liberty seemed to be the best option.
I am studying for a historically very liberal degree and one that is highly regulated for ethics/bias etc. Almost a year in, I can see why Liberty is a popular option for online studies. Their systems, support, deans and admin are phenomenol. Politics, overt evangelical bias, homophobia or any other terms we have slapped them with are non-existent. Sorry to ruin it for us. In fact, I've had a stronger balance of Professors who I felt like were "middle ground" than I remember experiencing at App many moons ago. Politics or biases are non-existent. I can't speak for campus students or any other degree programs, but every interaction I've had with folks all the way up to the Dean of my department are well versed, have high level credentials/resumes, and are incredibly professional. My program rubrics have mirrored almost all.other universities I've seen verbatim, but actually even requiring additional courses to fit state licensure requirements better.
Any way. With that said, I wouldn't be caught dead rooting for Liberty and I hope we crush them. My alma-mater is and always will be AppSt. I hated not being able to do grad school through App, so does my wallet. I told the App State Dean that begged me to attend that they needed to extend options to Hickory and I would've been all over it.

Not an unpopular post with me at all. I appreciate you speaking to the faith aspect unashamedly and giving a well thought out review of Liberty. I am in the same camp. I know a ton of devoted Christians who have gone to LU and had a great experience. Yep, Falwell Jr. was a turd in the punch bowl, but that's him individually. There are good people that went and go there, same as at App. You never hear anyone bashing BYU for being the Mormon School or Notre Dame for being the Catholic School. The Liberty hate is unnecessary. Disliking Jamie Chadwell is perfectly fine though.

[Mjohn1988]

So, I read a lot of the 'hate' Liberty receives from us AppSt brethren, but....
Unpopular opinion incoming, and it is a lengthy read, but may be worth it to some- I started my grad school this January at....you guessed it....Liberty University. It was the only University that offered the specific program I wanted to take with mainly online classes. Ironically, App State was the only regional school near me offering it, which was my first choice, but due to my career/kid situation, driving to Boone 4 days per week from Charlotte was not an option. My other options were ACTUAL diploma mills like Capella etc. No thanks. I had my reservations about Liberty for many of the reasons we all joke about, and while I am a strong Christian, I am not a fan of the Falwells, or any 'popular' evangelicals in that realm- most are not representative of the Christ I know. Nevertheless, I work within the fortune 500 corporate world and work directly with many Universities as well, and Liberty seemed to be the best option.
I am studying for a historically very liberal degree and one that is highly regulated for ethics/bias etc. Almost a year in, I can see why Liberty is a popular option for online studies. Their systems, support, deans and admin are phenomenol. Politics, overt evangelical bias, homophobia or any other terms we have slapped them with are non-existent. Sorry to ruin it for us. In fact, I've had a stronger balance of Professors who I felt like were "middle ground" than I remember experiencing at App many moons ago. Politics or biases are non-existent. I can't speak for campus students or any other degree programs, but every interaction I've had with folks all the way up to the Dean of my department are well versed, have high level credentials/resumes, and are incredibly professional. My program rubrics have mirrored almost all.other universities I've seen verbatim, but actually even requiring additional courses to fit state licensure requirements better.
Any way. With that said, I wouldn't be caught dead rooting for Liberty and I hope we crush them. My alma-mater is and always will be AppSt. I hated not being able to do grad school through App, so does my wallet. I told the App State Dean that begged me to attend that they needed to extend options to Hickory and I would've been all over it.

Not an unpopular post with me at all. I appreciate you speaking to the faith aspect unashamedly and giving a well thought out review of Liberty. I am in the same camp. I know a ton of devoted Christians who have gone to LU and had a great experience. Yep, Falwell Jr. was a turd in the punch bowl, but that's him individually. There are good people that went and go there, same as at App. You never hear anyone bashing BYU for being the Mormon School or Notre Dame for being the Catholic School. The Liberty hate is unnecessary. Disliking Jamie Chadwell is perfectly fine though.

I’m with both of you. I know some really good people who graduated from Liberty. Christian institutions will always have flaws and hypocrites, they are populated by people. That said we Christians do have a duty to work hard to make Christian institutions as Christ like as we can.

[AppDub]

So, I read a lot of the 'hate' Liberty receives from us AppSt brethren, but....
Unpopular opinion incoming, and it is a lengthy read, but may be worth it to some- I started my grad school this January at....you guessed it....Liberty University. It was the only University that offered the specific program I wanted to take with mainly online classes. Ironically, App State was the only regional school near me offering it, which was my first choice, but due to my career/kid situation, driving to Boone 4 days per week from Charlotte was not an option. My other options were ACTUAL diploma mills like Capella etc. No thanks. I had my reservations about Liberty for many of the reasons we all joke about, and while I am a strong Christian, I am not a fan of the Falwells, or any 'popular' evangelicals in that realm- most are not representative of the Christ I know. Nevertheless, I work within the fortune 500 corporate world and work directly with many Universities as well, and Liberty seemed to be the best option.
I am studying for a historically very liberal degree and one that is highly regulated for ethics/bias etc. Almost a year in, I can see why Liberty is a popular option for online studies. Their systems, support, deans and admin are phenomenol. Politics, overt evangelical bias, homophobia or any other terms we have slapped them with are non-existent. Sorry to ruin it for us. In fact, I've had a stronger balance of Professors who I felt like were "middle ground" than I remember experiencing at App many moons ago. Politics or biases are non-existent. I can't speak for campus students or any other degree programs, but every interaction I've had with folks all the way up to the Dean of my department are well versed, have high level credentials/resumes, and are incredibly professional. My program rubrics have mirrored almost all.other universities I've seen verbatim, but actually even requiring additional courses to fit state licensure requirements better.
Any way. With that said, I wouldn't be caught dead rooting for Liberty and I hope we crush them. My alma-mater is and always will be AppSt. I hated not being able to do grad school through App, so does my wallet. I told the App State Dean that begged me to attend that they needed to extend options to Hickory and I would've been all over it.

Not an unpopular post with me at all. I appreciate you speaking to the faith aspect unashamedly and giving a well thought out review of Liberty. I am in the same camp. I know a ton of devoted Christians who have gone to LU and had a great experience. Yep, Falwell Jr. was a turd in the punch bowl, but that's him individually. There are good people that went and go there, same as at App. You never hear anyone bashing BYU for being the Mormon School or Notre Dame for being the Catholic School. The Liberty hate is unnecessary. Disliking Jamie Chadwell is perfectly fine though.

I’m with both of you. I know some really good people who graduated from Liberty. Christian institutions will always have flaws and hypocrites, they are populated by people. That said we Christians do have a duty to work hard to make Christian institutions as Christ like as we can.

I would say we are to be Christ-like as we operate in ALL institutions, Christian or not.

[appstatealum]

Hickory has the potential to solve a lot of App problems. I hope we get the funding to make it a legitimate choice for the west side of the State. Boone is special...but Hickory is practical and they need us and we need them. I really hope we get a medical school in Hickory at some point....This should be our #1 goal as a university. There is not a public university medical school for more than 2/3 of the 9th largest state in the union.

Rumor has it that they want Hickory to be bigger than Boone. On one hand I don't like it, on the other, I'd love the convenience. My masters degree will be more of a side gig, but requires continuing education annually for license maintenance and I'd love to be able to do course work through App in the future.

[appstatealum]

So, I read a lot of the 'hate' Liberty receives from us AppSt brethren, but....
Unpopular opinion incoming, and it is a lengthy read, but may be worth it to some- I started my grad school this January at....you guessed it....Liberty University. It was the only University that offered the specific program I wanted to take with mainly online classes. Ironically, App State was the only regional school near me offering it, which was my first choice, but due to my career/kid situation, driving to Boone 4 days per week from Charlotte was not an option. My other options were ACTUAL diploma mills like Capella etc. No thanks. I had my reservations about Liberty for many of the reasons we all joke about, and while I am a strong Christian, I am not a fan of the Falwells, or any 'popular' evangelicals in that realm- most are not representative of the Christ I know. Nevertheless, I work within the fortune 500 corporate world and work directly with many Universities as well, and Liberty seemed to be the best option.
I am studying for a historically very liberal degree and one that is highly regulated for ethics/bias etc. Almost a year in, I can see why Liberty is a popular option for online studies. Their systems, support, deans and admin are phenomenol. Politics, overt evangelical bias, homophobia or any other terms we have slapped them with are non-existent. Sorry to ruin it for us. In fact, I've had a stronger balance of Professors who I felt like were "middle ground" than I remember experiencing at App many moons ago. Politics or biases are non-existent. I can't speak for campus students or any other degree programs, but every interaction I've had with folks all the way up to the Dean of my department are well versed, have high level credentials/resumes, and are incredibly professional. My program rubrics have mirrored almost all.other universities I've seen verbatim, but actually even requiring additional courses to fit state licensure requirements better.
Any way. With that said, I wouldn't be caught dead rooting for Liberty and I hope we crush them. My alma-mater is and always will be AppSt. I hated not being able to do grad school through App, so does my wallet. I told the App State Dean that begged me to attend that they needed to extend options to Hickory and I would've been all over it.

Not an unpopular post with me at all. I appreciate you speaking to the faith aspect unashamedly and giving a well thought out review of Liberty. I am in the same camp. I know a ton of devoted Christians who have gone to LU and had a great experience. Yep, Falwell Jr. was a turd in the punch bowl, but that's him individually. There are good people that went and go there, same as at App. You never hear anyone bashing BYU for being the Mormon School or Notre Dame for being the Catholic School. The Liberty hate is unnecessary. Disliking Jamie Chadwell is perfectly fine though.

100%. I literally cringe when emails pop up talking Liberty Football etc. My son thinks it's funny how I react. Grad school is just a different world anyways. Majority of my Professors and program-mates could care less about Liberty Athletics and we all have loyalties to our undergrad schools.

[EastHallApp]

Thanks for sharing your experience. You're right, grad school is kind of a different deal sports loyalty-wise. You tend to go wherever makes sense, especially if it's a midcareer thing.

I'm still not a fan of Liberty, but I do think by far the thing I find most objectionable about them has been Falwell. At least some of my dislike has faded with him out of the picture.

[BambooRdApp]

I guess I am a little different. App was my grad school. I watch all mmy desired App sports (football, baseball and basketball) and barely watch UNCW sports .. although I did attend the CAA basketball tournament since it was in DC area.

[appstatealum]

I guess I am a little different. App was my grad school. I watch all mmy desired App sports (football, baseball and basketball) and barely watch UNCW sports .. although I did attend the CAA basketball tournament since it was in DC area.

Well, that's logical considering your other option was rooting for UNC-W

[NattyBumppo'sRevenge]

I appreciate your perspective, however, it hasn’t changed mine.

[ericsaid]

You couldn’t have chosen ECU?

[appstatealum]

You couldn’t have chosen ECU?

No online option for what I wanted to study.

[BTK2000]

So, I read a lot of the 'hate' Liberty receives from us AppSt brethren, but....
Unpopular opinion incoming, and it is a lengthy read, but may be worth it to some- I started my grad school this January at....you guessed it....Liberty University. It was the only University that offered the specific program I wanted to take with mainly online classes. Ironically, App State was the only regional school near me offering it, which was my first choice, but due to my career/kid situation, driving to Boone 4 days per week from Charlotte was not an option. My other options were ACTUAL diploma mills like Capella etc. No thanks. I had my reservations about Liberty for many of the reasons we all joke about, and while I am a strong Christian, I am not a fan of the Falwells, or any 'popular' evangelicals in that realm- most are not representative of the Christ I know. Nevertheless, I work within the fortune 500 corporate world and work directly with many Universities as well, and Liberty seemed to be the best option.
I am studying for a historically very liberal degree and one that is highly regulated for ethics/bias etc. Almost a year in, I can see why Liberty is a popular option for online studies. Their systems, support, deans and admin are phenomenol. Politics, overt evangelical bias, homophobia or any other terms we have slapped them with are non-existent. Sorry to ruin it for us. In fact, I've had a stronger balance of Professors who I felt like were "middle ground" than I remember experiencing at App many moons ago. Politics or biases are non-existent. I can't speak for campus students or any other degree programs, but every interaction I've had with folks all the way up to the Dean of my department are well versed, have high level credentials/resumes, and are incredibly professional. My program rubrics have mirrored almost all.other universities I've seen verbatim, but actually even requiring additional courses to fit state licensure requirements better.
Any way. With that said, I wouldn't be caught dead rooting for Liberty and I hope we crush them. My alma-mater is and always will be AppSt. I hated not being able to do grad school through App, so does my wallet. I told the App State Dean that begged me to attend that they needed to extend options to Hickory and I would've been all over it.

Whatever you need to tell yourself I guess

[ericsaid]

You couldn’t have chosen ECU?

No online option for what I wanted to study.

Gotcha. I actually went to ECU for undergrad and grad school. The reason being that I grew up in Hudson. I had what amounted to a full scholarship for Lenoir-Rhyne if I wanted to major in music, could have gone to App, but I needed to get away from Caldwell County.

People on these boards tend to give me hell about it but I didn’t go to ECU out of some affinity for the school or their athletics. My brother went to App State, I took music lessons up there and played some sports up the mountain, hiked, went to parties, etc. I remained a loyal App State follower and loved the university and area but it was too close to home.

I don’t fault you for doing what you had to do.

[311neers]

Liberty blew a 14 point lead in the 4th to go into OT.
They won in OT. Pain

[AppGrad78]

Liberty never looked like it was in danger of losing, even in overtime, but the Flames showed they’re not world-beaters either. They also seemed to lose a key tight end to injury late in the game. Sure wish we had a shot at them this season.

[hapapp]

Liberty never looked like it was in danger of losing, even in overtime, but the Flames showed they’re not world-beaters either. They also seemed to lose a key tight end to injury late in the game. Sure wish we had a shot at them this season.

The way they run the ball, I fear we couldn't stop them. But, I agree they certainly didn't I look like they among the best of the G5.

[AppGrad78]

Liberty never looked like it was in danger of losing, even in overtime, but the Flames showed they’re not world-beaters either. They also seemed to lose a key tight end to injury late in the game. Sure wish we had a shot at them this season.

The way they run the ball, I fear we couldn't stop them. But, I agree they certainly didn't I look like they among the best of the G5.

Yeah, after thinking about it a bit longer, their running back definitely would give us fits, and though Chadwell used Salter’s legs only sparingly, they always had that card to play.