Roster/Staff Updates

[AppSt94]

I’ll address the above and the one that AppStFan1 quoted me in this post. You are showing that you have no real idea how this works; which is odd considering you said that you used to work in a college athletics department. The athletic department works off of a budget. Each sports program works off of a portion of the overall athletic budget. We don’t have the luxury of paying everyone a six figure salary in a support role capacity. If we could afford it, we would. The jobs at App aren’t the problem. The pay isn’t really the problem either. The issue is that the pay makes it difficult to afford housing in the area. Thankfully we have donors like the Harrell family that rent condos at Echota to personnel but that’s not appealing to those with families.

I do understand and acknowledge that we have high turnover. What you fail to understand is that there is never just one singular reason for this. You are very idealistic in that you feel paying more solves a problem. But you can’t do that if you don’t have the money. Where your disconnect is that you are arguing from a position of being invested in App from the inside. Most of these hires see this as a job and nothing more. Sure they may stay if they were to make more money. They may not. The juice has to be worth the squeeze and there are many personal factors that one takes into account to assess this.

I know exactly how it works and it is good that you do but what you don't realize is that sometimes schools don't prioritize things correctly within the budget. Just because it is done a certain way does not mean it is the best way. Our budget grows every year and in that growth we should put more money towards personnel. They severely undervalue the recruiting and personnel in this day and age. We have gone from coaches doing it to having a department do it and they need to be well funded.

That is very nice of Harrell but like you said people who want families don't want that. Cheap ass housing does not get it done.

I am not idealistic and I know that just pay won't prevent turnover but what I am saying is that if we paid more we could bring in higher quality candidates and improve what we get out of the job. DUH everyone sees this as a job.

People go where the money is. People on here and 247 have constantly said that coach turnover effected us and you can't use that excuse but then not recognize that turnover in the support staff does as well. If we paid more then people would stay a little longer or we would at least get better quality people to apply for the job. Money by itself does not fix everything. I have said that on this board a lot. If money was all that mattered then A&M and Michigan would have never beat us.

The reality here is that Loggains and Clark have not put the proper value in recruiting and personnel. We can't just go pay 40M for a roster so we have to do a great job of evaluating and finding those under valued players. To do that we need people with experience and a really good eye. If our recent hires are any good they will be at the P4 level fairly quickly.

Turnover affects continuity, but there is only so much money to go around to build out a staff with enough capacity to handle the tasks. Your answer to everything is to throw more money at it but have no clue as to where the money is going to come from. Why don’t you go up there and volunteer your expertise in talent evaluation since you know what needs to be done.

You have a very good point and there is only so much money. There is also a very good chance there will be less money in the future. Couple of losing seasons, donor death, doner reduced income. Maybe folks just getting feed up with the system. There are a hundred reasons. So honest question. Does our staff really need to be so much bigger than it has been in the past? What additional duties are there? From my view a couple of titles just look made up to me, but I really don't know. It just really looks to me like we just can't afford to do it all so maybe fund what we can do well. Now that this is strictly a business maybe we should run it like one. I really do mean this as a question more than a statement.

I think that the only way that we maintain our current level of funding is if the fan base adjust its expectations to what will be the norm. Programs at our level are going to struggle to average 9-10 wins a season over an extended period. The alternative is going to see the fan base embrace the fact that money has to flow into both athletics through the Yosef Club or MAF AND nil. If both aren’t adqualetly funded then we won’t see any of the sustained results that we had become accustomed too.

The money also has to be spent well. The current football staff is working with a substantial increase in budget than the former and the results were the same.

[bcoach]

I’ll address the above and the one that AppStFan1 quoted me in this post. You are showing that you have no real idea how this works; which is odd considering you said that you used to work in a college athletics department. The athletic department works off of a budget. Each sports program works off of a portion of the overall athletic budget. We don’t have the luxury of paying everyone a six figure salary in a support role capacity. If we could afford it, we would. The jobs at App aren’t the problem. The pay isn’t really the problem either. The issue is that the pay makes it difficult to afford housing in the area. Thankfully we have donors like the Harrell family that rent condos at Echota to personnel but that’s not appealing to those with families.

I do understand and acknowledge that we have high turnover. What you fail to understand is that there is never just one singular reason for this. You are very idealistic in that you feel paying more solves a problem. But you can’t do that if you don’t have the money. Where your disconnect is that you are arguing from a position of being invested in App from the inside. Most of these hires see this as a job and nothing more. Sure they may stay if they were to make more money. They may not. The juice has to be worth the squeeze and there are many personal factors that one takes into account to assess this.

I know exactly how it works and it is good that you do but what you don't realize is that sometimes schools don't prioritize things correctly within the budget. Just because it is done a certain way does not mean it is the best way. Our budget grows every year and in that growth we should put more money towards personnel. They severely undervalue the recruiting and personnel in this day and age. We have gone from coaches doing it to having a department do it and they need to be well funded.

That is very nice of Harrell but like you said people who want families don't want that. Cheap ass housing does not get it done.

I am not idealistic and I know that just pay won't prevent turnover but what I am saying is that if we paid more we could bring in higher quality candidates and improve what we get out of the job. DUH everyone sees this as a job.

People go where the money is. People on here and 247 have constantly said that coach turnover effected us and you can't use that excuse but then not recognize that turnover in the support staff does as well. If we paid more then people would stay a little longer or we would at least get better quality people to apply for the job. Money by itself does not fix everything. I have said that on this board a lot. If money was all that mattered then A&M and Michigan would have never beat us.

The reality here is that Loggains and Clark have not put the proper value in recruiting and personnel. We can't just go pay 40M for a roster so we have to do a great job of evaluating and finding those under valued players. To do that we need people with experience and a really good eye. If our recent hires are any good they will be at the P4 level fairly quickly.

Turnover affects continuity, but there is only so much money to go around to build out a staff with enough capacity to handle the tasks. Your answer to everything is to throw more money at it but have no clue as to where the money is going to come from. Why don’t you go up there and volunteer your expertise in talent evaluation since you know what needs to be done.

You have a very good point and there is only so much money. There is also a very good chance there will be less money in the future. Couple of losing seasons, donor death, doner reduced income. Maybe folks just getting feed up with the system. There are a hundred reasons. So honest question. Does our staff really need to be so much bigger than it has been in the past? What additional duties are there? From my view a couple of titles just look made up to me, but I really don't know. It just really looks to me like we just can't afford to do it all so maybe fund what we can do well. Now that this is strictly a business maybe we should run it like one. I really do mean this as a question more than a statement.

I think that the only way that we maintain our current level of funding is if the fan base adjust its expectations to what will be the norm. Programs at our level are going to struggle to average 9-10 wins a season over an extended period. The alternative is going to see the fan base embrace the fact that money has to flow into both athletics through the Yosef Club or MAF AND nil. If both aren’t adqualetly funded then we won’t see any of the sustained results that we had become accustomed too.

The money also has to be spent well. The current football staff is working with a substantial increase in budget than the former and the results were the same.

The AD of today is kind of a CEO mentality. Maybe the AD of the future needs to be a " small business owner" mentality.

[AppStFan1]

I know exactly how it works and it is good that you do but what you don't realize is that sometimes schools don't prioritize things correctly within the budget. Just because it is done a certain way does not mean it is the best way. Our budget grows every year and in that growth we should put more money towards personnel. They severely undervalue the recruiting and personnel in this day and age. We have gone from coaches doing it to having a department do it and they need to be well funded.

That is very nice of Harrell but like you said people who want families don't want that. Cheap ass housing does not get it done.

I am not idealistic and I know that just pay won't prevent turnover but what I am saying is that if we paid more we could bring in higher quality candidates and improve what we get out of the job. DUH everyone sees this as a job.

People go where the money is. People on here and 247 have constantly said that coach turnover effected us and you can't use that excuse but then not recognize that turnover in the support staff does as well. If we paid more then people would stay a little longer or we would at least get better quality people to apply for the job. Money by itself does not fix everything. I have said that on this board a lot. If money was all that mattered then A&M and Michigan would have never beat us.

The reality here is that Loggains and Clark have not put the proper value in recruiting and personnel. We can't just go pay 40M for a roster so we have to do a great job of evaluating and finding those under valued players. To do that we need people with experience and a really good eye. If our recent hires are any good they will be at the P4 level fairly quickly.

Turnover affects continuity, but there is only so much money to go around to build out a staff with enough capacity to handle the tasks. Your answer to everything is to throw more money at it but have no clue as to where the money is going to come from. Why don’t you go up there and volunteer your expertise in talent evaluation since you know what needs to be done.

You have a very good point and there is only so much money. There is also a very good chance there will be less money in the future. Couple of losing seasons, donor death, doner reduced income. Maybe folks just getting feed up with the system. There are a hundred reasons. So honest question. Does our staff really need to be so much bigger than it has been in the past? What additional duties are there? From my view a couple of titles just look made up to me, but I really don't know. It just really looks to me like we just can't afford to do it all so maybe fund what we can do well. Now that this is strictly a business maybe we should run it like one. I really do mean this as a question more than a statement.

I think that the only way that we maintain our current level of funding is if the fan base adjust its expectations to what will be the norm. Programs at our level are going to struggle to average 9-10 wins a season over an extended period. The alternative is going to see the fan base embrace the fact that money has to flow into both athletics through the Yosef Club or MAF AND nil. If both aren’t adqualetly funded then we won’t see any of the sustained results that we had become accustomed too.

The money also has to be spent well. The current football staff is working with a substantial increase in budget than the former and the results were the same.

The AD of today is kind of a CEO mentality. Maybe the AD of the future needs to be a " small business owner" mentality.

10000%! I can look at our staff page and see where we could streamline some things to save money or move money to areas like personnel, recruiting, etc that are not being given enough money. Loggains is wasting money with how he has the staff filled out. He, like many other coaches, are looking out for buddies and past relationships instead of using money the best way to build the best roster.

There is an article about LSU that is a good read on how their GM is deciding how much to pay players. I am pretty sure App is way behind but that is nothing new in this era. Our program has been behind in so many ways instead of being an innovator. We react and often react in a way that does not get the most out of what we put in.

[AppStFan1]

Just to show some folks who say we don't have the money to pay competitively in recruiting and personnel I looked at our staff page and it seems to me we would if we did not waste money on pointless roles.

Clyde is an associate head coach with no position and our OC is not a position coach. We have Riley Watkins as QB coach. We do not need all 3 men. 1 man could be the QB coach, OC, and added associate head coach title. Loggains could use that money saved by streamlining that to boost recruiting and personnel.

Also, we do not need an assistant position coach either. We have 3 of them. That is what grad assistants should be used for.

Just those changes alone could allow us to pay in the range I am saying we need.

[AppSt94]

Clyde makes $39.4k a year. His salary is nothing.

Do I think that we need both an OC and a QB coach? Probably not but it isn’t my call. Do I have my opinion on the way the current staff was built? I do. But again not my call but I’ve made my opinion known, respectfully, to those that matter.

There is a budget. The coach has to build their staff within the budget as they see fit. It is what it is.

[AppStFan1]

Clyde makes $39.4k a year. His salary is nothing.

Do I think that we need both an OC and a QB coach? Probably not but it isn’t my call. Do I have my opinion on the way the current staff was built? I do. But again not my call but I’ve made my opinion known, respectfully, to those that matter.

There is a budget. The coach has to build their staff within the budget as they see fit. It is what it is.

I am not saying get rid of Clyde. I'm just saying you can combine roles and use the money saved to actually be competitive among top G6 programs in such an important off the field role.

Did the people who matter ask for opinion or did you just feel that you needed to share it? I ask because it is one thing for us to post on here but I know they don't care what you, me, or anyone on here thinks unless they approach us with it. They will dismiss it so feeling the need to volunteer an opinion is pointless with that crew.

I was just giving an example of how we could take the current budget and move things around to actually pay more competitively in such an important role. Having an OC who does not coach a position is a huge waste of money and by looking at the staff I would not be shocked if Gillin gives Loggains a very short leash since he is giving him everything he wants.

[BambooRdApp]

It is fine if one wants to express their opinion about the make-up of the coaching staff, the make-up of athletic operations staff, etc Whatever one wants to do.
If I am a coach or AD, I am not giving one ounce of consideration to outside the building opinions on those ideas. It is their program and their decision on what they believe they need to be successful or be a failure on their own terms.

If it relates to fan experience, MAF, YC, stadium/facility operations, GameDay ops etc. Sure, I would take those into consideration and make it better for the fan.

Just a personal opinion.

[AppSt94]

Clyde makes $39.4k a year. His salary is nothing.

Do I think that we need both an OC and a QB coach? Probably not but it isn’t my call. Do I have my opinion on the way the current staff was built? I do. But again not my call but I’ve made my opinion known, respectfully, to those that matter.

There is a budget. The coach has to build their staff within the budget as they see fit. It is what it is.

I am not saying get rid of Clyde. I'm just saying you can combine roles and use the money saved to actually be competitive among top G6 programs in such an important off the field role.

Did the people who matter ask for opinion or did you just feel that you needed to share it? I ask because it is one thing for us to post on here but I know they don't care what you, me, or anyone on here thinks unless they approach us with it. They will dismiss it so feeling the need to volunteer an opinion is pointless with that crew.

I was just giving an example of how we could take the current budget and move things around to actually pay more competitively in such an important role. Having an OC who does not coach a position is a huge waste of money and by looking at the staff I would not be shocked if Gillin gives Loggains a very short leash since he is giving him everything he wants.

I’ve shared my opinion and I’ll leave it at that. Whether or not they care or are dismissive is completely on them. Coming on a message board and complaining about they aren’t doing it the way that I want them too is pointless, and whiny.

[bcoach]

It is fine if one wants to express their opinion about the make-up of the coaching staff, the make-up of athletic operations staff, etc Whatever one wants to do.
If I am a coach or AD, I am not giving one ounce of consideration to outside the building opinions on those ideas. It is their program and their decision on what they believe they need to be successful or be a failure on their own terms.

If it relates to fan experience, MAF, YC, stadium/facility operations, GameDay ops etc. Sure, I would take those into consideration and make it better for the fan.

Just a personal opinion.

The flip side of that coin is if you don't want to hear an opinion don't ask for my money. With that said I DO NOT mean that my money should give me the power to make the decision. I only mean you owe it to those who are paying your way to listen to their opinions. I am glad APP St94 stated his.

[BambooRdApp]

It is fine if one wants to express their opinion about the make-up of the coaching staff, the make-up of athletic operations staff, etc Whatever one wants to do.
If I am a coach or AD, I am not giving one ounce of consideration to outside the building opinions on those ideas. It is their program and their decision on what they believe they need to be successful or be a failure on their own terms.

If it relates to fan experience, MAF, YC, stadium/facility operations, GameDay ops etc. Sure, I would take those into consideration and make it better for the fan.

Just a personal opinion.

The flip side of that coin is if you don't want to hear an opinion don't ask for my money. With that said I DO NOT mean that my money should give me the power to make the decision. I only mean you owe it to those who are paying your way to listen to their opinions. I am glad APP St94 stated his.

Sorry, your money is for your fan experience.. not to dictate on the structure of the coaching staff. That is like being at the little league game trying to tell the coach how to coach. Not buying that can of goods.

I think Coach Sloan was the worst DC on app St history after year 1. I do not believe Coach Clark would have cared about my opinion.

Feel free to offer your opinions. I have no issue with that. That is one's prerogative.

[bcoach]

It is fine if one wants to express their opinion about the make-up of the coaching staff, the make-up of athletic operations staff, etc Whatever one wants to do.
If I am a coach or AD, I am not giving one ounce of consideration to outside the building opinions on those ideas. It is their program and their decision on what they believe they need to be successful or be a failure on their own terms.

If it relates to fan experience, MAF, YC, stadium/facility operations, GameDay ops etc. Sure, I would take those into consideration and make it better for the fan.

Just a personal opinion.

The flip side of that coin is if you don't want to hear an opinion don't ask for my money. With that said I DO NOT mean that my money should give me the power to make the decision. I only mean you owe it to those who are paying your way to listen to their opinions. I am glad APP St94 stated his.

Sorry, your money is for your fan experience.. not to dictate on the structure of the coaching staff. That is like being at the little league game trying to tell the coach how to coach. Not buying that can of goods.

I think Coach Sloan was the worst DC on app St history after year 1. I do not believe Coach Clark would have cared about my opinion.

Feel free to offer your opinions. I have no issue with that. That is one's prerogative.

Please go back and read my comment as you misrepresent it.

[BambooRdApp]

It is fine if one wants to express their opinion about the make-up of the coaching staff, the make-up of athletic operations staff, etc Whatever one wants to do.
If I am a coach or AD, I am not giving one ounce of consideration to outside the building opinions on those ideas. It is their program and their decision on what they believe they need to be successful or be a failure on their own terms.

If it relates to fan experience, MAF, YC, stadium/facility operations, GameDay ops etc. Sure, I would take those into consideration and make it better for the fan.

Just a personal opinion.

The flip side of that coin is if you don't want to hear an opinion don't ask for my money. With that said I DO NOT mean that my money should give me the power to make the decision. I only mean you owe it to those who are paying your way to listen to their opinions. I am glad APP St94 stated his.

Sorry, your money is for your fan experience.. not to dictate on the structure of the coaching staff. That is like being at the little league game trying to tell the coach how to coach. Not buying that can of goods.

I think Coach Sloan was the worst DC on app St history after year 1. I do not believe Coach Clark would have cared about my opinion.

Feel free to offer your opinions. I have no issue with that. That is one's prerogative.

Please go back and read my comment as you misrepresent it.

The premise of your argument is that you believe because you give money that you should have an opinion on coaching structure, coaching matters. I fundamentally disagree with that premise... Sorry, my opinion.

Personally, I believe that giving money gives a fan an opinion on the fan experience. Not for coaching related items. This idea is partly what plagued the University of Texas football program for decades (pre NIL). Texas had the most resources and should have been a Top 10 football program in most years. People gave money and thought that gave them a seat the table about on field matters. ..and their administration allowed them to do so.

Great to everyone that wants to give an opinion. I have no issues with anyone that wants to give an opinion. The premise of my original post is that, if I am the coach, I am running the program how I believe makes the program the most successful...not how everyone else thinks I should be run it This is why they hired me as the coach so to speak. I am more than likely not going to give it much consideration, of any.

With that said, if I were a coach with no ties to App like DLo, I would definitely take suggestions around former player engagement, etc. as he may not have an appreciation for the intangibles of the program.

[Bootsy]

Everyone can share their opinions with the current administration. They don’t care.

[AppStFan1]

Clyde makes $39.4k a year. His salary is nothing.

Do I think that we need both an OC and a QB coach? Probably not but it isn’t my call. Do I have my opinion on the way the current staff was built? I do. But again not my call but I’ve made my opinion known, respectfully, to those that matter.

There is a budget. The coach has to build their staff within the budget as they see fit. It is what it is.

I am not saying get rid of Clyde. I'm just saying you can combine roles and use the money saved to actually be competitive among top G6 programs in such an important off the field role.

Did the people who matter ask for opinion or did you just feel that you needed to share it? I ask because it is one thing for us to post on here but I know they don't care what you, me, or anyone on here thinks unless they approach us with it. They will dismiss it so feeling the need to volunteer an opinion is pointless with that crew.

I was just giving an example of how we could take the current budget and move things around to actually pay more competitively in such an important role. Having an OC who does not coach a position is a huge waste of money and by looking at the staff I would not be shocked if Gillin gives Loggains a very short leash since he is giving him everything he wants.

I’ve shared my opinion and I’ll leave it at that. Whether or not they care or are dismissive is completely on them. Coming on a message board and complaining about they aren’t doing it the way that I want them too is pointless, and whiny.

They are definitely dismissive once we walk away. Whiny? I was not complaining. You said our budget is why we could not pay those areas more and I gave you an example of how we could. The budget is always a lame excuse. Where you spend your money shows what you value and Loggains does not value those areas much, if at all. We will see how it works out. I know Texas Tech and Indiana sure value them and it has helped them a lot.

[ASUFan4863]

Loggains is more hands on, especially in recruiting because that is his strength. His thought process is likely to invest in other areas that aren’t his strength or he doesn’t have time to be hands on. I believe one area of the program that you can’t really critique right now is the recruiting/support staff. It worked very well in their first cycle.

Grier gets a lock of flack but he spearheaded the highest ranked recruiting class in history and impressive portal additions this offseason.

[311neers]

Clyde makes $39.4k a year. His salary is nothing.

Do I think that we need both an OC and a QB coach? Probably not but it isn’t my call. Do I have my opinion on the way the current staff was built? I do. But again not my call but I’ve made my opinion known, respectfully, to those that matter.

There is a budget. The coach has to build their staff within the budget as they see fit. It is what it is.

I am not saying get rid of Clyde. I'm just saying you can combine roles and use the money saved to actually be competitive among top G6 programs in such an important off the field role.

Did the people who matter ask for opinion or did you just feel that you needed to share it? I ask because it is one thing for us to post on here but I know they don't care what you, me, or anyone on here thinks unless they approach us with it. They will dismiss it so feeling the need to volunteer an opinion is pointless with that crew.

I was just giving an example of how we could take the current budget and move things around to actually pay more competitively in such an important role. Having an OC who does not coach a position is a huge waste of money and by looking at the staff I would not be shocked if Gillin gives Loggains a very short leash since he is giving him everything he wants.

I’ve shared my opinion and I’ll leave it at that. Whether or not they care or are dismissive is completely on them. Coming on a message board and complaining about they aren’t doing it the way that I want them too is pointless, and whiny.

They are definitely dismissive once we walk away. Whiny? I was not complaining. You said our budget is why we could not pay those areas more and I gave you an example of how we could. The budget is always a lame excuse. Where you spend your money shows what you value and Loggains does not value those areas much, if at all. We will see how it works out. I know Texas Tech and Indiana sure value them and it has helped them a lot.

Texas Tech has a $30M+ roster.
They have unlimited funds.
Indiana has Mark Cuban.

Bad comparison.

Use a Georgia Southern or a Toledo example that has similar NIL and budgets to us.
We have no money to spend- which is why we’re hiring people for essentially minimum wage.

[AppStFan1]

Loggains is more hands on, especially in recruiting because that is his strength. His thought process is likely to invest in other areas that aren’t his strength or he doesn’t have time to be hands on. I believe one area of the program that you can’t really critique right now is the recruiting/support staff. It worked very well in their first cycle.

Grier gets a lock of flack but he spearheaded the highest ranked recruiting class in history and impressive portal additions this offseason.

The rankings don't matter. The only thing that matters is the win totals. If this class is as good as the ratings then we should have really high expectations this year. Pitching to players and closing the deal to get commits does not matter if you are getting the wrong players. Hopefully we are.

Keep in mind that prior to NIL all those stars who went to the NFL from our 2019 roster were 2-star players. Grier and others are benefiting from that rep because our commits use to get 2 stars but now they get 3 stars because of our brand name. It is just funny to me how people point to where our classes are rated when the best players in our history were all 2 stars or unrated for the most part.

[AppStFan1]

Clyde makes $39.4k a year. His salary is nothing.

Do I think that we need both an OC and a QB coach? Probably not but it isn’t my call. Do I have my opinion on the way the current staff was built? I do. But again not my call but I’ve made my opinion known, respectfully, to those that matter.

There is a budget. The coach has to build their staff within the budget as they see fit. It is what it is.

I am not saying get rid of Clyde. I'm just saying you can combine roles and use the money saved to actually be competitive among top G6 programs in such an important off the field role.

Did the people who matter ask for opinion or did you just feel that you needed to share it? I ask because it is one thing for us to post on here but I know they don't care what you, me, or anyone on here thinks unless they approach us with it. They will dismiss it so feeling the need to volunteer an opinion is pointless with that crew.

I was just giving an example of how we could take the current budget and move things around to actually pay more competitively in such an important role. Having an OC who does not coach a position is a huge waste of money and by looking at the staff I would not be shocked if Gillin gives Loggains a very short leash since he is giving him everything he wants.

I’ve shared my opinion and I’ll leave it at that. Whether or not they care or are dismissive is completely on them. Coming on a message board and complaining about they aren’t doing it the way that I want them too is pointless, and whiny.

They are definitely dismissive once we walk away. Whiny? I was not complaining. You said our budget is why we could not pay those areas more and I gave you an example of how we could. The budget is always a lame excuse. Where you spend your money shows what you value and Loggains does not value those areas much, if at all. We will see how it works out. I know Texas Tech and Indiana sure value them and it has helped them a lot.

Texas Tech has a $30M+ roster.
They have unlimited funds.
Indiana has Mark Cuban.

Bad comparison.

Use a Georgia Southern or a Toledo example that has similar NIL and budgets to us.
We have no money to spend- which is why we’re hiring people for essentially minimum wage.

Cuban announced in his investment after this past season. His influence will really be felt in 2026 and beyond. We can't put near the same money but my point was that they realized they have to invest in evaluators and it is paying off. Indiana is not out there spending 50M and signing a bunch of 4-5 star guys. Watch how that changes because committing to Indiana while Cignetti is there is going to get a bump to players like Alabama commits got when Saban was there.

I know money is low but that having assistant secondary coach or an OC who does not coach a position does not look like a staff of a school who is really low on money. We draw way more money than GSU so I would hope we are paying double what they do in recruiting/evaluating.

[BambooRdApp]

A high recruiting class for this class means freshman were highly rated. Do not remember many freshmen led teams having high expectations. If many pan out, we have hope for future. Who knows, it could be an unusual situation where we have freshman come in a play like upper classmen.
Hope for future, yes.. instant gradiification? typically not with freshman and football

[ASUFan4863]

Loggains is more hands on, especially in recruiting because that is his strength. His thought process is likely to invest in other areas that aren’t his strength or he doesn’t have time to be hands on. I believe one area of the program that you can’t really critique right now is the recruiting/support staff. It worked very well in their first cycle.

Grier gets a lock of flack but he spearheaded the highest ranked recruiting class in history and impressive portal additions this offseason.

The rankings don't matter. The only thing that matters is the win totals. If this class is as good as the ratings then we should have really high expectations this year. Pitching to players and closing the deal to get commits does not matter if you are getting the wrong players. Hopefully we are.

Keep in mind that prior to NIL all those stars who went to the NFL from our 2019 roster were 2-star players. Grier and others are benefiting from that rep because our commits use to get 2 stars but now they get 3 stars because of our brand name. It is just funny to me how people point to where our classes are rated when the best players in our history were all 2 stars or unrated for the most part.

A lot to unpack here as always. The rankings do matter. Recruiting is the lifeline of any collegiate program. You should know better than anyone that the ROI on win totals from recruiting classes are not fully realized right away.

Keep in mind that basically every G5 program gets players rated an 85 average 3 star on most sites. We were middle of the pack in the sunbelt and G5 for recruiting since 2020. Where did we finish? Middle of the pack. If the program is to elevate to new heights, the recruiting has to as well. For that reason, rankings do matter.

Why are you not still in recruiting if you are so knowledgeable about recruiting and scouting?