Roster/Staff Updates

[ASUFan4863]

Winning and getting in the playoffs. I want to go to that model too

That’s not a model. That’s the results of a model. What is their model? It seems like they prioritize the trenches.

Am I crazy or didn’t we just prioritize the trenches this offseason?

We did but it is not about the amount of bodies but the quality of those bodies lol. Hopefully we got some good quality this time.

And one time focus on trenches is not a model. Let's see trends over the next few years.

A one time focus on trenches during the first full offseason of a new staff does seem to be a strong indicator of what they prioritize in my opinion. We have one of the deepest and best OLs we've seen since Covid.

[BUTCH1991]

That’s not a model. That’s the results of a model. What is their model? It seems like they prioritize the trenches.

Am I crazy or didn’t we just prioritize the trenches this offseason?

We did but it is not about the amount of bodies but the quality of those bodies lol. Hopefully we got some good quality this time.

And one time focus on trenches is not a model. Let's see trends over the next few years.

A one time focus on trenches during the first full offseason of a new staff does seem to be a strong indicator of what they prioritize in my opinion. We have one of the deepest and best OLs we've seen since Covid.

On paper? Last year's line wasn't hitting on much, I hope you're right. The trenches make or break teams. Perfect example is the Panthers. How else can you explain Jake Delhomme leading them to the Super Bowl? If you have good lines, you'll be successful.

[AppStFan1]

Am I crazy or didn’t we just prioritize the trenches this offseason?

We did but it is not about the amount of bodies but the quality of those bodies lol. Hopefully we got some good quality this time.

And one time focus on trenches is not a model. Let's see trends over the next few years.

A one time focus on trenches during the first full offseason of a new staff does seem to be a strong indicator of what they prioritize in my opinion. We have one of the deepest and best OLs we've seen since Covid.

On paper? Last year's line was hitting on much, I hope you're right. The trenches make or break teams. Perfect example is the Panthers. How else can you explain Jake Delhomme leading them to the Super Bowl? If you have good lines, you'll be successful.

Indeed. You can have a below average or average QB and backs if you have an elite OL. It all starts up front.

[Stonewall]

This O line hasn’t played a down.

[ASUFan4863]

Am I crazy or didn’t we just prioritize the trenches this offseason?

We did but it is not about the amount of bodies but the quality of those bodies lol. Hopefully we got some good quality this time.

And one time focus on trenches is not a model. Let's see trends over the next few years.

A one time focus on trenches during the first full offseason of a new staff does seem to be a strong indicator of what they prioritize in my opinion. We have one of the deepest and best OLs we've seen since Covid.

On paper? Last year's line wasn't hitting on much, I hope you're right. The trenches make or break teams. Perfect example is the Panthers. How else can you explain Jake Delhomme leading them to the Super Bowl? If you have good lines, you'll be successful.

Everything is on paper until it’s not. We were able to add a better OL coach in my opinion. Mogridge was solid, but I think Pugh has a different level of success he brings to the table. The biggest thing, as always, will be health. I think the line was solid but losing two starters to injury and another starter being hindered with what would cause most to be out, will limit even the best of lines. Three returning starters in Poindexter, Sweatt and Trent Ramsey. Added multiple with starting experience. There will be a good rotation, which will be needed with a mobile QB.

[T-Dog]

This O line hasn’t played a down.

I remember before the 2024 season Clark said some of the P4 OL transfers had zero form, which shocked him.

You can have big bodies, but if they don't know their butt from a hole in the ground, they're just bodies.

[Stonewall]

D line is the top concern as of now I am told.

[t4pizza]

D line is the top concern as of now I am told.

That makes completes sense considering we lost a ton and didn't even replace the numbers that we lost. The biggest miss in the portal window in my eyes.

[311neers]

D line is the top concern as of now I am told.

This isnt a good sign.
I bet we've had 20 DL/OLB leave the past 2 years.
If you cant stop the run, you aren't going to win many games.

[biggie]

It seems we can copy and paste the "D Line is a top concern" each off season. We seem to lose most/all of the good DLs each year to portal in the last few years.

[Mjohn1988]

Mjohn, it all is out of whack, whether market driven or not. Your daughter is underpaid in comparison to those in the athletic world, or music world and other worlds, or they are way overpaid. If your daughter makes a mistake, someone dies or is debilitated or continues to suffer from their condition. If an athlete makes a mistake, even many, he collects his pay and his buyout (a coach) and moves to another school and the beat goes on. This is why I have changed and donate to particular schools (my wife donates to the business school) or causes and never again to athletics. I’ll come on here and discuss and listen to an extent, but don’t have the passion for it anymore since the state of the game has changed so drastically. I held season tickets for well over a decade though I worked late on Friday nights as a coach and traveled 175 miles up the mountain to get to the games. At the time, our family enjoyed it. I wish your daughter the best. She’ll have the satisfaction of actually really helping people live better - something those in other higher paying worlds may not be able to say.

That is because those others draw revenue and if she was going to make 2x or 3x what she does now then our medical costs would sky rocket even more than they have now. If we get to the point where people like her are making more than P4 GMs then we won't be able to afford going to her.

To be clear I wasn’t advocating for my daughter to make a lot more I was simply saying it’s kind of absurd for a person who is a mid level employee on a mid level sports program to make more than she does. And again I’m a capitalist who understands and lives with “what the market will bear”. But you actually make a point that I’ve made many times. For as much as our society says there is nothing more important than our health, and education is priceless we really don’t value or really don’t want to pay for either of those things. And I’m guilty too. For almost 20 tears now I’ve been spending roughly $300 a month to go to App. football games. But the truth is if my health insurance was going up by $300 a month I would be really upset. On one hand rational people understand that entertainment and entertainers in our society make way too much. On the other hand we keep spending the money. But you should also understand that insurance creates a false market for healthcare and government creates a false market for education. I can tell you this much, in 10 to 15 years our society is going to find out the real cost of doing primary education on the cheap. It’s not going to be pretty. Lastly I was simply contemplating out loud my role in the whole mess.

[AppStFan1]

Mjohn, it all is out of whack, whether market driven or not. Your daughter is underpaid in comparison to those in the athletic world, or music world and other worlds, or they are way overpaid. If your daughter makes a mistake, someone dies or is debilitated or continues to suffer from their condition. If an athlete makes a mistake, even many, he collects his pay and his buyout (a coach) and moves to another school and the beat goes on. This is why I have changed and donate to particular schools (my wife donates to the business school) or causes and never again to athletics. I’ll come on here and discuss and listen to an extent, but don’t have the passion for it anymore since the state of the game has changed so drastically. I held season tickets for well over a decade though I worked late on Friday nights as a coach and traveled 175 miles up the mountain to get to the games. At the time, our family enjoyed it. I wish your daughter the best. She’ll have the satisfaction of actually really helping people live better - something those in other higher paying worlds may not be able to say.

That is because those others draw revenue and if she was going to make 2x or 3x what she does now then our medical costs would sky rocket even more than they have now. If we get to the point where people like her are making more than P4 GMs then we won't be able to afford going to her.

To be clear I wasn’t advocating for my daughter to make a lot more I was simply saying it’s kind of absurd for a person who is a mid level employee on a mid level sports program to make more than she does. And again I’m a capitalist who understands and lives with “what the market will bear”. But you actually make a point that I’ve made many times. For as much as our society says there is nothing more important than our health, and education is priceless we really don’t value or really don’t want to pay for either of those things. And I’m guilty too. For almost 20 tears now I’ve been spending roughly $300 a month to go to App. football games. But the truth is if my health insurance was going up by $300 a month I would be really upset. On one hand rational people understand that entertainment and entertainers in our society make way too much. On the other hand we keep spending the money. But you should also understand that insurance creates a false market for healthcare and government creates a false market for education. I can tell you this much, in 10 to 15 years our society is going to find out the real cost of doing primary education on the cheap. It’s not going to be pretty. Lastly I was simply contemplating out loud my role in the whole mess.

It is a whole mess. If you think about it sports depends on emotion of fans because there is no ROI for this. A team winning or losing does not benefit or hurt us in any way. The crazy thing is this whole market is propped up by our emotions. Teachers and medical folks don't actually draw money and healthcare is really propped up by Big Pharma poisoning our foods.

[Mjohn1988]

Mjohn, it all is out of whack, whether market driven or not. Your daughter is underpaid in comparison to those in the athletic world, or music world and other worlds, or they are way overpaid. If your daughter makes a mistake, someone dies or is debilitated or continues to suffer from their condition. If an athlete makes a mistake, even many, he collects his pay and his buyout (a coach) and moves to another school and the beat goes on. This is why I have changed and donate to particular schools (my wife donates to the business school) or causes and never again to athletics. I’ll come on here and discuss and listen to an extent, but don’t have the passion for it anymore since the state of the game has changed so drastically. I held season tickets for well over a decade though I worked late on Friday nights as a coach and traveled 175 miles up the mountain to get to the games. At the time, our family enjoyed it. I wish your daughter the best. She’ll have the satisfaction of actually really helping people live better - something those in other higher paying worlds may not be able to say.

That is because those others draw revenue and if she was going to make 2x or 3x what she does now then our medical costs would sky rocket even more than they have now. If we get to the point where people like her are making more than P4 GMs then we won't be able to afford going to her.

To be clear I wasn’t advocating for my daughter to make a lot more I was simply saying it’s kind of absurd for a person who is a mid level employee on a mid level sports program to make more than she does. And again I’m a capitalist who understands and lives with “what the market will bear”. But you actually make a point that I’ve made many times. For as much as our society says there is nothing more important than our health, and education is priceless we really don’t value or really don’t want to pay for either of those things. And I’m guilty too. For almost 20 tears now I’ve been spending roughly $300 a month to go to App. football games. But the truth is if my health insurance was going up by $300 a month I would be really upset. On one hand rational people understand that entertainment and entertainers in our society make way too much. On the other hand we keep spending the money. But you should also understand that insurance creates a false market for healthcare and government creates a false market for education. I can tell you this much, in 10 to 15 years our society is going to find out the real cost of doing primary education on the cheap. It’s not going to be pretty. Lastly I was simply contemplating out loud my role in the whole mess.

It is a whole mess. If you think about it sports depends on emotion of fans because there is no ROI for this. A team winning or losing does not benefit or hurt us in any way. The crazy thing is this whole market is propped up by our emotions. Teachers and medical folks don't actually draw money and healthcare is really propped up by Big Pharma poisoning our foods.

Again, I think you are making part of my point, as a society we really don’t value health care or education. Poor health can in many cases be attributed to poor food choices but again that’s another choice we make in a free society. Doritos much like sports may be much more as you put it, emotionally satisfying, than carrots. And I’m not really sure that big pharma props up healthcare. It may in many cases create the need for healthcare. But one last thought, what it really sounds like to me is that App. State simply can’t afford a competitive football program. Thanks for the conversation.

[AppStFan1]

Mjohn, it all is out of whack, whether market driven or not. Your daughter is underpaid in comparison to those in the athletic world, or music world and other worlds, or they are way overpaid. If your daughter makes a mistake, someone dies or is debilitated or continues to suffer from their condition. If an athlete makes a mistake, even many, he collects his pay and his buyout (a coach) and moves to another school and the beat goes on. This is why I have changed and donate to particular schools (my wife donates to the business school) or causes and never again to athletics. I’ll come on here and discuss and listen to an extent, but don’t have the passion for it anymore since the state of the game has changed so drastically. I held season tickets for well over a decade though I worked late on Friday nights as a coach and traveled 175 miles up the mountain to get to the games. At the time, our family enjoyed it. I wish your daughter the best. She’ll have the satisfaction of actually really helping people live better - something those in other higher paying worlds may not be able to say.

That is because those others draw revenue and if she was going to make 2x or 3x what she does now then our medical costs would sky rocket even more than they have now. If we get to the point where people like her are making more than P4 GMs then we won't be able to afford going to her.

To be clear I wasn’t advocating for my daughter to make a lot more I was simply saying it’s kind of absurd for a person who is a mid level employee on a mid level sports program to make more than she does. And again I’m a capitalist who understands and lives with “what the market will bear”. But you actually make a point that I’ve made many times. For as much as our society says there is nothing more important than our health, and education is priceless we really don’t value or really don’t want to pay for either of those things. And I’m guilty too. For almost 20 tears now I’ve been spending roughly $300 a month to go to App. football games. But the truth is if my health insurance was going up by $300 a month I would be really upset. On one hand rational people understand that entertainment and entertainers in our society make way too much. On the other hand we keep spending the money. But you should also understand that insurance creates a false market for healthcare and government creates a false market for education. I can tell you this much, in 10 to 15 years our society is going to find out the real cost of doing primary education on the cheap. It’s not going to be pretty. Lastly I was simply contemplating out loud my role in the whole mess.

It is a whole mess. If you think about it sports depends on emotion of fans because there is no ROI for this. A team winning or losing does not benefit or hurt us in any way. The crazy thing is this whole market is propped up by our emotions. Teachers and medical folks don't actually draw money and healthcare is really propped up by Big Pharma poisoning our foods.

Again, I think you are making part of my point, as a society we really don’t value health care or education. Poor health can in many cases be attributed to poor food choices but again that’s another choice we make in a free society. Doritos much like sports may be much more as you put it, emotionally satisfying, than carrots. And I’m not really sure that big pharma props up healthcare. It may in many cases create the need for healthcare. But one last thought, what it really sounds like to me is that App. State simply can’t afford a competitive football program. Thanks for the conversation.

I'm saying Big Pharma pushes to get things in food and pays off the right people to make certain things in our food okay. You have to be careful what you eat. Yes, we don't value healthcare like we should. We have folks on this board and at every school who spend way more on 18-23 year-olds playing a sport for entertainment than living a healthy life. It is sad but how it is.

My main point before we got on that other stuff is that we have to focus on personnel and getting evals right if we want to actually win. I want to see how these inexperienced evaluators do because if they don't find us diamonds in the rough then it will tell me that Loggains just made convenient hires and not well thought out hires. After seeing how bad we were in that area under Clark it is an area I want to see Loggains improve. I'm just not sure yet but I am a little skeptical because the money we are paying for those roles is less than half of what we should be paying to get experienced people in them.

[Saint3333]

This O line hasn’t played a down.

I remember before the 2024 season Clark said some of the P4 OL transfers had zero form, which shocked him.

You can have big bodies, but if they don't know their butt from a hole in the ground, they're just bodies.

He was surprised by the form on the OL players we recruited to come play for App...

[Stonewall]

He ?

[Saint3333]

Shawn.

[Stonewall]

Roger that.

[AppDub]

That is because those others draw revenue and if she was going to make 2x or 3x what she does now then our medical costs would sky rocket even more than they have now. If we get to the point where people like her are making more than P4 GMs then we won't be able to afford going to her.

To be clear I wasn’t advocating for my daughter to make a lot more I was simply saying it’s kind of absurd for a person who is a mid level employee on a mid level sports program to make more than she does. And again I’m a capitalist who understands and lives with “what the market will bear”. But you actually make a point that I’ve made many times. For as much as our society says there is nothing more important than our health, and education is priceless we really don’t value or really don’t want to pay for either of those things. And I’m guilty too. For almost 20 tears now I’ve been spending roughly $300 a month to go to App. football games. But the truth is if my health insurance was going up by $300 a month I would be really upset. On one hand rational people understand that entertainment and entertainers in our society make way too much. On the other hand we keep spending the money. But you should also understand that insurance creates a false market for healthcare and government creates a false market for education. I can tell you this much, in 10 to 15 years our society is going to find out the real cost of doing primary education on the cheap. It’s not going to be pretty. Lastly I was simply contemplating out loud my role in the whole mess.

It is a whole mess. If you think about it sports depends on emotion of fans because there is no ROI for this. A team winning or losing does not benefit or hurt us in any way. The crazy thing is this whole market is propped up by our emotions. Teachers and medical folks don't actually draw money and healthcare is really propped up by Big Pharma poisoning our foods.

Again, I think you are making part of my point, as a society we really don’t value health care or education. Poor health can in many cases be attributed to poor food choices but again that’s another choice we make in a free society. Doritos much like sports may be much more as you put it, emotionally satisfying, than carrots. And I’m not really sure that big pharma props up healthcare. It may in many cases create the need for healthcare. But one last thought, what it really sounds like to me is that App. State simply can’t afford a competitive football program. Thanks for the conversation.

I'm saying Big Pharma pushes to get things in food and pays off the right people to make certain things in our food okay. You have to be careful what you eat. Yes, we don't value healthcare like we should. We have folks on this board and at every school who spend way more on 18-23 year-olds playing a sport for entertainment than living a healthy life. It is sad but how it is.

My main point before we got on that other stuff is that we have to focus on personnel and getting evals right if we want to actually win. I want to see how these inexperienced evaluators do because if they don't find us diamonds in the rough then it will tell me that Loggains just made convenient hires and not well thought out hires. After seeing how bad we were in that area under Clark it is an area I want to see Loggains improve. I'm just not sure yet but I am a little skeptical because the money we are paying for those roles is less than half of what we should be paying to get experienced people in them.

I think you are a little misguided on Big Pharma's role in food. Probably should point that finger at the food conglomerates. Otherwise I'll have to star buying my Doritos at the Pharmacy.

[AppStFan1]

To be clear I wasn’t advocating for my daughter to make a lot more I was simply saying it’s kind of absurd for a person who is a mid level employee on a mid level sports program to make more than she does. And again I’m a capitalist who understands and lives with “what the market will bear”. But you actually make a point that I’ve made many times. For as much as our society says there is nothing more important than our health, and education is priceless we really don’t value or really don’t want to pay for either of those things. And I’m guilty too. For almost 20 tears now I’ve been spending roughly $300 a month to go to App. football games. But the truth is if my health insurance was going up by $300 a month I would be really upset. On one hand rational people understand that entertainment and entertainers in our society make way too much. On the other hand we keep spending the money. But you should also understand that insurance creates a false market for healthcare and government creates a false market for education. I can tell you this much, in 10 to 15 years our society is going to find out the real cost of doing primary education on the cheap. It’s not going to be pretty. Lastly I was simply contemplating out loud my role in the whole mess.

It is a whole mess. If you think about it sports depends on emotion of fans because there is no ROI for this. A team winning or losing does not benefit or hurt us in any way. The crazy thing is this whole market is propped up by our emotions. Teachers and medical folks don't actually draw money and healthcare is really propped up by Big Pharma poisoning our foods.

Again, I think you are making part of my point, as a society we really don’t value health care or education. Poor health can in many cases be attributed to poor food choices but again that’s another choice we make in a free society. Doritos much like sports may be much more as you put it, emotionally satisfying, than carrots. And I’m not really sure that big pharma props up healthcare. It may in many cases create the need for healthcare. But one last thought, what it really sounds like to me is that App. State simply can’t afford a competitive football program. Thanks for the conversation.

I'm saying Big Pharma pushes to get things in food and pays off the right people to make certain things in our food okay. You have to be careful what you eat. Yes, we don't value healthcare like we should. We have folks on this board and at every school who spend way more on 18-23 year-olds playing a sport for entertainment than living a healthy life. It is sad but how it is.

My main point before we got on that other stuff is that we have to focus on personnel and getting evals right if we want to actually win. I want to see how these inexperienced evaluators do because if they don't find us diamonds in the rough then it will tell me that Loggains just made convenient hires and not well thought out hires. After seeing how bad we were in that area under Clark it is an area I want to see Loggains improve. I'm just not sure yet but I am a little skeptical because the money we are paying for those roles is less than half of what we should be paying to get experienced people in them.

I think you are a little misguided on Big Pharma's role in food. Probably should point that finger at the food conglomerates. Otherwise I'll have to star buying my Doritos at the Pharmacy.

They are all in bed with each other. I saw a documentary on how Big Pharma is in bed with the food conglomerates. It all relates. You are sicker because of the food. Been going on for decades.