We did not play great, but we should have won this game. The play, in my opinion, that lost the game was going for it on 4th down when we were at mid field. We were up 24-20 and gave them a short field. Punt the ball and pin them deep.

Satterfield lost this game, not the players!!

What he said was that the Tackle missed a block on that 4th down and that they made the plays, we did not. I got no problem with it, TRUTH. He has to find some way to get these kids to play. Use whatever motivation you can. The call was the right one as he knew we were not getting the ball back. Those guys ran through us like Sh!t thru a goose, it was pathetic and we did not adjusting.

No single play and no single call was responsible for this loss. The "fat and lazy" recruitment of "O" and "D" linemen since about 2006 sealed our fate. What's apparent now is that it's not going to be over next week, next month or even next year. It'd going to take two or three years of successful line recruiting and development to get this ship back on course.

We made too many mistakes at crucial points in the game.

After going up 7-0, we stop them with a three and out. We get the ball back, pick up the first down only to have a penalty nullify it. We punt, stop them again on third down but a penalty gives them a first down and they march down the field and tie the game. That sequence turned the game into a contest at a time ASU was dominating.

Price dropped a TD pass.

On the last drive, Peacock has the first down if he continues south instead of veering east. We fail to get 1 yard on two plays and the game is essentially over.

I don't think I have ever seen a team get 4 facemask penalties in one game.

Have no problem with Satt talking about the players as long as he also talks about the poor coaching a decision making.

I keep hearing about it is the OL and DL. Well I have said all along that I would like to see bigger guys but how many games did we win last year with the same type guys? I keep hearing about how young we are. First how many returning player do we have? Second even young players should be getting a little better each week with good coaching but we are getting worse.

APPSTATE-H3 wrote:We did not play great, but we should have won this game. The play, in my opinion, that lost the game was going for it on 4th down when we were at mid field. We were up 24-20 and gave them a short field. Punt the ball and pin them deep.

Satterfield lost this game, not the players!!

I heard the post game interview and I did NOT hear Satterfield blaming the players. I heard a pretty accurate assessment of the game in which he mentioned some missed opportunities. I didn't hear anything about "blame" at all. I'm not sure why you find it necessary to put this rediculous spin on things.

By the way...I'm not saying we didn't get out coached, but none of the coaches committed one of the FOUR face masking penalties in that game.

asu66 wrote:No single play and no single call was responsible for this loss. The "fat and lazy" recruitment of "O" and "D" linemen since about 2006 sealed our fate. What's apparent now is that it's not going to be over next week, next month or even next year. It'd going to take two or three years of successful line recruiting and development to get this ship back on course.

So on the defensive side Woody pushed the kids to lose weight. Does that sound like they grasp the fact that we are too small?
But you are right. Overall our defense has been porous for years. The difference is we could out score teams. That is no longer the case.

asu66 wrote:No single play and no single call was responsible for this loss. The "fat and lazy" recruitment of "O" and "D" linemen since about 2006 sealed our fate. What's apparent now is that it's not going to be over next week, next month or even next year. It'd going to take two or three years of successful line recruiting and development to get this ship back on course.

Well maybe except the touchdown pass oops the pass that would have been a touchdown that mr. wonderful dropped.

asu66 wrote:No single play and no single call was responsible for this loss. The "fat and lazy" recruitment of "O" and "D" linemen since about 2006 sealed our fate. What's apparent now is that it's not going to be over next week, next month or even next year. It'd going to take two or three years of successful line recruiting and development to get this ship back on course.

100% Correct. Our linemen are talented, but are getting physically beat. You can't fix that. This is a recruiting challenge/problem. Moore would have had the same issue... in fact had the same issue as you pointed out since 2006/2007. If A&T and Chuck South can get strong physical linemen, so can we. Other than swapping QB's (Scott, play Barnes, so he can get better for next year) you can't pin this on the coach.

GoAppsGo92 wrote:

asu66 wrote:No single play and no single call was responsible for this loss. The "fat and lazy" recruitment of "O" and "D" linemen since about 2006 sealed our fate. What's apparent now is that it's not going to be over next week, next month or even next year. It'd going to take two or three years of successful line recruiting and development to get this ship back on course.

100% Correct. Our linemen are talented, but are getting physically beat. You can't fix that. This is a recruiting challenge/problem. Moore would have had the same issue... in fact had the same issue as you pointed out since 2006/2007. If A&T and Chuck South can get strong physical linemen, so can we. Other than swapping QB's (Scott, play Barnes, so he can get better for next year) you can't pin this on the coach.

Unfortunately, the performance on the OL/DL is an issue that nobody could fix overnight. I certainly hope it can improve, but I would think that it will only be "fixed" by off-season moves. I have been very supportive of Ledford, but at this point I have to seriously question whether he is getting it done. We seemed to improve in OL performance pretty quickly when he first came to App, but it seems we plateaued quickly and haven't taken another step up. I keep hearing about the talented young guys who have been redshirted or who in the pipeline. I see them on the roster and the size is promising, but it sure would be nice to see something on the field! I don't know the answer to the question of whether Ledford is the right guy, but Coach Satterfield will have to seriously evaluate that at the end of the season and hopefully make the right decision. A related factor that needs to be considered: Do we have the right Strength & Conditioning coach in place? Elliott had the advantage of having one of the BEST S&C coaches in the country while he was here. We were stronger (pound for pound) and better conditioned than anyone we played...including Michigan! That is a major factor in what made our smaller lines work, but I do not think we have this advantage today. WE NEED TO GET IT BACK.

It is easier to understand Coach Woody's situation. He is in his first year with App and he was handed an EXTREMELY young (although talented) group. Yesterday seemed to be a step back, but he was defending against a triple option team that throws well (something very different) with a very good dual threat QB. I was disappointed with the apparent lack of half-time adjustment, but I imagine the youth make these types of adjustments difficult at best.

I think we will salvage a mediocer season. We can play with anyone in the SoCon as long as we don't continue shooting ourselves in the foot. PENALTIES lost the game yesterday. We can talk about play calling and OL all day, but we helped them sustain multiple scoring drives by commiting penalties at key periods. Had those drives been stops, we would have won.

In my opinion, here are some critical issues for the off season:
1) This would be the time to hit the Juco recruiting HARD in order to get some OL/DL beef. I'm not usually a fan of this route, but now is the time.
2) Evaluate and address the coaching staff for next season: OL, S&C and Special Teams come to mind.
3) Name an OC. Not trying to pile on Ledford, but until the OL is performing better, he needs to focus on that and not on forming strategy. (This adjustment might need to happen mid season and doesn't even have to be public...just a though).
4) Recruit, recruit and then do some more recruiting. MAYBE we can spin our struggles on the OL/DL into a perceived OPPORTUNITY for a few young BIG men.

Sorry for the lengthy post. I'm trying HARD to be as positive as I can be. I am really not ready to throw Satterfield under the bus. He was NOT handed the turn key championship program that many seem to believe, but we DO have a lot of talent. Sometimes even the fans need to put forth some effort. NEVER GIVE UP. GO APPS!!!

Self-inflicted penalties were a killer. That and the fact we couldn't stop their dive play through the "A" gap they ran on EVERY 1st down. This 3-4 alignment is a joke without a bigeater NT upfront.

APPSTATE-H3 wrote:We did not play great, but we should have won this game. The play, in my opinion, that lost the game was going for it on 4th down when we were at mid field. We were up 24-20 and gave them a short field. Punt the ball and pin them deep.

I liked the aggressiveness to go for it but didn't like the play calls on either of the 4th down attempts. The D was getting pushed around. We should be able to convert there and keep the ball away from them.

the biggest problem I saw was the defensive playcalling, I don't know why, but the last 6 or 7 years we have been terrified to blitz!! Yesterday I saw the same old tired story, we rush 3, maybe 4, qb doesn't worry about a blitz, or even getting hit hard, takes his time, gets in a groove, completes a high percentage of short to mid passes. Eienstein said the definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over but expect different results. That's the way I feel about our defense the last 6 or 7 years, we don't attack, we don't try and create confusion and doubt in a offense, no creativity, just keep everything in front of us, give up huge amounts of yardage, bend but don't break. How can we expect different results with this team, when we are using the exact same defensive philosophy that we used 2 years ago? 5 years ago? 7 years ago?

GoAppsGo92 wrote:

asu66 wrote:No single play and no single call was responsible for this loss. The "fat and lazy" recruitment of "O" and "D" linemen since about 2006 sealed our fate. What's apparent now is that it's not going to be over next week, next month or even next year. It'd going to take two or three years of successful line recruiting and development to get this ship back on course.

100% Correct. Our linemen are talented, but are getting physically beat. You can't fix that. This is a recruiting challenge/problem. Moore would have had the same issue... in fact had the same issue as you pointed out since 2006/2007. If A&T and Chuck South can get strong physical linemen, so can we. Other than swapping QB's (Scott, play Barnes, so he can get better for next year) you can't pin this on the coach.

Well you can't pin it on recruiting either because Woody thinks our linemen were too heavy as it is. So now you have lighter linemen than were even recruited and a strength program run by a guy from IBM. If everyone wants to be real honest (and many do not) our REAL problem is money. We don't have the money to hire the coaches we need and that has been a problem for a long time.

Yosef84 wrote:

APPSTATE-H3 wrote:We did not play great, but we should have won this game. The play, in my opinion, that lost the game was going for it on 4th down when we were at mid field. We were up 24-20 and gave them a short field. Punt the ball and pin them deep.

Satterfield lost this game, not the players!!

I heard the post game interview and I did NOT hear Satterfield blaming the players. I heard a pretty accurate assessment of the game in which he mentioned some missed opportunities. I didn't hear anything about "blame" at all. I'm not sure why you find it necessary to put this rediculous spin on things.

By the way...I'm not saying we didn't get out coached, but none of the coaches committed one of the FOUR face masking penalties in that game.

On the very play I am talking about Satterfield said "if our left tackle would have made his block the drive would have continued"

The one thing I never heard him say was that it was his fault and that we should have punted the ball.

100% Correct. Our linemen are talented, but are getting physically beat. You can't fix that. This is a recruiting challenge/problem. Moore would have had the same issue... in fact had the same issue as you pointed out since 2006/2007. If A&T and Chuck South can get strong physical linemen, so can we. Other than swapping QB's (Scott, play Barnes, so he can get better for next year) you can't pin this on the coach.[/quote]
Well you can't pin it on recruiting either because Woody thinks our linemen were too heavy as it is. So now you have lighter linemen than were even recruited and a strength program run by a guy from IBM. If everyone wants to be real honest (and many do not) our REAL problem is money. We don't have the money to hire the coaches we need and that has been a problem for a long time.[/quote]

That might be something I could agree with. Woody's comments have been worn out on this board, and I have no idea what his thoughts were except to presume that if we are looking for a fast, stunting D-Line, extra weight does not help that cause. What I think we need to respond to the offenses of today is a physical D-Line that can push, occupy and disrupt so that LB's can wreak havoc in the backfield. Pressure is something we see very little of with what we have now. Our guys are not tired out there so conditioning looks good from the stands... physical strength is what we appear to lack... and size is almost always good.

bcoach wrote:

GoAppsGo92 wrote:

asu66 wrote:No single play and no single call was responsible for this loss. The "fat and lazy" recruitment of "O" and "D" linemen since about 2006 sealed our fate. What's apparent now is that it's not going to be over next week, next month or even next year. It'd going to take two or three years of successful line recruiting and development to get this ship back on course.

100% Correct. Our linemen are talented, but are getting physically beat. You can't fix that. This is a recruiting challenge/problem. Moore would have had the same issue... in fact had the same issue as you pointed out since 2006/2007. If A&T and Chuck South can get strong physical linemen, so can we. Other than swapping QB's (Scott, play Barnes, so he can get better for next year) you can't pin this on.

We have more money now than we ever had in the past. Even in the worst years this wouldn't/shouldn't be a close game. Neither would A&T.

GoAppsGo92 wrote:100% Correct. Our linemen are talented, but are getting physically beat. You can't fix that. This is a recruiting challenge/problem. Moore would have had the same issue... in fact had the same issue as you pointed out since 2006/2007. If A&T and Chuck South can get strong physical linemen, so can we. Other than swapping QB's (Scott, play Barnes, so he can get better for next year) you can't pin this on the coach.

Well you can't pin it on recruiting either because Woody thinks our linemen were too heavy as it is. So now you have lighter linemen than were even recruited and a strength program run by a guy from IBM. If everyone wants to be real honest (and many do not) our REAL problem is money. We don't have the money to hire the coaches we need and that has been a problem for a long time.[/quote]

That might be something I could agree with. Woody's comments have been worn out on this board, and I have no idea what his thoughts were except to presume that if we are looking for a fast, stunting D-Line, extra weight does not help that cause. What I think we need to respond to the offenses of today is a physical D-Line that can push, occupy and disrupt so that LB's can wreak havoc in the backfield. Pressure is something we see very little of with what we have now. Our guys are not tired out there so conditioning looks good from the stands... physical strength is what we appear to lack... and size is almost always good.[/quote]
Well we can't say that it's a recruiting problem if the coach does not want big guys. So what is the answer? sounds to me like it's the coach if he doesn't want what is needed.

Apps03 wrote:

bcoach wrote:

GoAppsGo92 wrote:

asu66 wrote:No single play and no single call was responsible for this loss. The "fat and lazy" recruitment of "O" and "D" linemen since about 2006 sealed our fate. What's apparent now is that it's not going to be over next week, next month or even next year. It'd going to take two or three years of successful line recruiting and development to get this ship back on course.

100% Correct. Our linemen are talented, but are getting physically beat. You can't fix that. This is a recruiting challenge/problem. Moore would have had the same issue... in fact had the same issue as you pointed out since 2006/2007. If A&T and Chuck South can get strong physical linemen, so can we. Other than swapping QB's (Scott, play Barnes, so he can get better for next year) you can't pin this on.

We have more money now than we ever had in the past. Even in the worst years this wouldn't/shouldn't be a close game. Neither would A&T.

Well maybe we need to spend it on coaches instead of uniforms. Also maybe more money is still not enough money.