So after the game, DJ and Brownie took a lot of calls. There were a couple in a row that raise some eyebrows, one of them was mine. The first was about future recruiting and Brownie started talking about S&C. Then my turn came up. I asked about S&C (as I intended from the moment I called) and mentioned Kareem Young by name. Brownie made the comment about the players "not being strong enough to compete". AppFan made a comment and the Twitter firestorm started.



So what say you, the bandwagon that is left.

Lots of problems. Uninspired play, no fire, getting pushed around, poor line play, poor tackling; all seem to point to coaching either on the field or in the weightroom. I don't know what to think really. I didn't expect this. I don't think any of us did.

T-Dog wrote:So after the game, DJ and Brownie took a lot of calls. There were a couple in a row that raise some eyebrows, one of them was mine. The first was about future recruiting and Brownie started talking about S&C. Then my turn came up. I asked about S&C (as I intended from the moment I called) and mentioned Kareem Young by name. Brownie made the comment about the players "not being strong enough to compete". AppFan made a comment and the Twitter firestorm started.



So what say you, the bandwagon that is left.

Heard your call. Brown did not want to call out anyone by name but it is clear that he was of the same opinion.

I'm not sure our record would be any different if JM were coaching this year.
Thoughts on this? I know it is pointless but was just wondering others thoughts...

Many could see this coming in the past few years with the way our linemen were getting pushed around. Especially in the playoffs.

I feel like we are decently conditioned, but the strength side has been lacking.

Brownie has got a number of people that don't like him because of how he speaks his mind. The comment two weeks ago by Charlie asking Brownie to say something positive is something a number of people inside the department feels.

And yes, I also feel like our record wouldn't bee too much different if Jerry was coaching. Maybe he wins one of those close games, maybe he loses the Elon game as well. Either way, if Jerry was still in charge this program would be in worse shape going into 2014 and beyond IMO.

Ok you guys.... the primary reason why we are having the season we are.... Jamal our all-American, payton award nominee, our 3200 yd qb is a shadow of himself at least his on field performance. If it was publicly known say in Dec2012 that he wasn't going to play a major role in this season we all would have said .... we would be in serious trouble. Well guess what? We are. This is by far the biggest reason why we are where we are. Probably like 70% of the problem. Probably since the 2001 season we have been a dominant QB team. So for us to have an untested qb starting is not good. I think Cam will be good and has certainly showed signs of being the guy. Unfortunately he had his bad game against the best socon team. I would go so far to say that if we had Jamal in his prime we would be 4-2 ... even with the young D, the O-line, the s@c oh and the new coaching staff. For the record, I would put it at 20% for the youth on D and 10% on the coaching staff. Oh yea I think Sammy started 8 seniors today.

Looks like the ire of some former players has been drawn on that one. I think recruiting at certain positions the past few years has shown is ugly head this year

I have been talking about S&C for a long time now. Our lines are no smaller than when we played Michigan, LSU etc. The difference is that they are weaker and not as well coached. We can blame whoever we want but the problem this year is with this years coaching. Have you ever seen a line coach sitting on the bench before? What is going on is just plain sad. I want Scott to succeed but he is just not going to do it with his collage buddies. He is going to have to hire some real FBS type coaches. I hope the next one does not come from IBM. By the way, he is a really nice guy but IBM does not have a S&C program to my knowledge.

We probably have slipped in the s&c dept with the coaching changes the last 5 years or so, and now we need more size if we don't have the same strength. It's much harder for a 260lb player to move a 310lb player than the other way around. He has to be immeasurably stronger.

Line coaching (both sides) and strength has to be addressed. Play calling is also pathetic.

I actually thought the play calling was better yesterday. Execution was off. We had more bad throws and drops than I've seen in a while. That makes any play calling look bad.

AppAttack wrote:We probably have slipped in the s&c dept with the coaching changes the last 5 years or so, and now we need more size if we don't have the same strength. It's much harder for a 260lb player to move a 310lb player than the other way around. He has to be immeasurably stronger.

We have OL and DL players that are 295-310 lbs and can move but don't play them

We are a QB, two OL, and a another year experience for our defense from being a good team.

Kam is the best option this year but isn't a long term solution unless he can throw the mid to deep ball with more consistency. He is still young and can develop.

Saint3333 wrote:We are a QB, two OL, and a another year experience for our defense from being a good team.

Kam is the best option this year but isn't a long term solution unless he can throw the mid to deep ball with more consistency. He is still young and can develop.

Herd yesterday Kam may get a red shirt for last year that would be good for him to have another year to develop.

MrSkippy1973 wrote:

AppAttack wrote:We probably have slipped in the s&c dept with the coaching changes the last 5 years or so, and now we need more size if we don't have the same strength. It's much harder for a 260lb player to move a 310lb player than the other way around. He has to be immeasurably stronger.

We have OL and DL players that are 295-310 lbs and can move but don't play them

And if they are true freshmen they should be redshirted, no matter what Steve Brown says. This season, win or lose, is a non season. Those freshmen need to be held out until next season when we will legitimately be playing for a conference championship in the Sun Belt. No matter what happens this season we will live to play another season and we will be better. And I imagine Scott will be making some staff changes at the end of the season since contracts will be up or at least a year closer to being up.

3rd wrote:

Saint3333 wrote:We are a QB, two OL, and a another year experience for our defense from being a good team.

Kam is the best option this year but isn't a long term solution unless he can throw the mid to deep ball with more consistency. He is still young and can develop.

Herd yesterday Kam may get a red shirt for last year that would be good for him to have another year to develop.

Saint, could not agree more. Next August It will not matter who our QB is this year. I am concerned that we might not actually have those two OL in the hopper. The defense is going to be fine. I loved that Woody was back in the box yesterday. He knows what he wants, and can communicate that to the guys on the field.

Kam's redshirt IMO will not be a difference. I would not be surprised to see us starting a RS Freshman next fall, or even a Fr. I'd bet RS. For our offense to be effective we have to have a running threat, and a STRONG arm. I have noticed for weeks that it APPears that we may not be "reading" the "option"...

I thought our OL was manhandled. I thought they were much "stronger" than we were.

I also think the communication within the Offensive side of the ball was better yesterday.....but they had us on our heels and Kam locked in on WR all day.

I am just wondering why Saterfield is not trying Logan Hallock #16.????? He's that QB that went in for Jamal last year when he got hurt during the Western Carolina game. Hallock broke several school records that day. I thought he had an incredible game. I see he is the holder, but they have him just standing on the sideline. Seems to me that with the way Kam and Jamal are playing that he would try Hallock. He was listed in the Media Guide as a backup QB. I understand that he is a good leader, too. I really think Saterfield should give him a shot. What's Saterfield got to lose but another game. With a record of 1-5, it seems to me, I'd try something else and give him a chance.

appsportsfan54 wrote:I am just wondering why Saterfield is not trying Logan Hallock #16.????? He's that QB that went in for Jamal last year when he got hurt during the Western Carolina game. Hallock broke several school records that day. I thought he had an incredible game. I see he is the holder, but they have him just standing on the sideline. Seems to me that with the way Kam and Jamal are playing that he would try Hallock. He was listed in the Media Guide as a backup QB. I understand that he is a good leader, too. I really think Saterfield should give him a shot. What's Saterfield got to lose but another game. With a record of 1-5, it seems to me, I'd try something else and give him a chance.

Hallock did himself (and his school) proud against Western last year when Jamal was hurt, but I do not believe he broke any school records. His consecutive passes and completion percentage were very high, but I believe that Richie Williams has those record from his game against Furman back in 2004 (I think). KB's struggles Saturday were largely because the Samford defense was in his face all afternoon. There were plays in the second half where three Samford defenders appeared to come through untouched. He barely had time to drop back. KB is the most athletic of our QBs and if he couldn't escape, I doubt Hallock would have done better.

AppGrad1 wrote:I'm not sure our record would be any different if JM were coaching this year.
Thoughts on this? I know it is pointless but was just wondering others thoughts...

Many could see this coming in the past few years with the way our linemen were getting pushed around. Especially in the playoffs.

Couldn't disagree more. We would not be 1-5 if JM was still coaching. Yes, many have seen problems coming for years, yes our OL got pushed around in the playoffs, but everyone of our OL starters returned after going 8-4 and winning a conference title. I refuse to believe that the entire OL unit would have regressed the way it has if JM were still the coach. There simply is no historical evidence to point to and say it would have, he coached for over 20 years here and the wheels never fell off like this. Our issues are not the players, it's the coaching. The head coach is over his head, the defensive coach can't seem to get the kids to play well, the off-season strength and conditioning coach seems to have taken time off because the entire team seems weaker, slower and physically unprepared to play college football.

No offense, but the arguments that we wouldn't be 1-5 with Jerry coaching are pointless. First, it doesn't change where we are at this point and second, we have know way of knowing what our record would be if Jerry were still the HC. Pointing fingers and taking sides with respect to our head coach isn't getting us any closer to dealing with our current situation.