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2nd & 15

Unread post by AppGrad1 » Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:18 pm

Scott, those 1st down dives just aren't working. Please mix it up on 1st down!
Thanks!

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Re: 2nd & 15

Unread post by AppinATL » Sat Oct 06, 2012 8:51 pm

Averaging 33.3 points per game so far, I'd say Scott is doing fine.

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Re: 2nd & 15

Unread post by AppGrad1 » Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:13 pm

Using your logic means we have no room for improvement.
If you haven't seen our dive plays on 1st down each week you haven't paid attention to Asu football.
Thumping Coastal sure helps that game average too.

I never said i wasn't glad scott is here...

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Re: 2nd & 15

Unread post by AppinATL » Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:24 pm

By your apparent logic, we should never enjoy a win. I can live with a few first down dives every game if they help set up the big plays.

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Re: 2nd & 15

Unread post by AppGrad1 » Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:38 pm

Your logic..
Coach Moore- ok boys, we won. That's all that masters. No room for improvement.Enjoy the win!

My logic.- ok men. We won a very close game and was behind a lot of the game. We need to get better yardage out of 1st down to keep us out of 2nd and 15 that we were in all day. If we can do that we have a better chance of beating GS Sammy & woffard.

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Re: 2nd & 15

Unread post by Histor3 » Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:58 pm

It seems to me that running up the gut works about a fourth of the time. When we spread the run to the outside, it tends to work better for us. Fortunately, Steven Miller is turning into a great receiving threat, so I can't complain about him not fitting into a fullback role.

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Re: 2nd & 15

Unread post by WVAPPeer » Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:29 am

Histor3 wrote:It seems to me that running up the gut works about a fourth of the time. When we spread the run to the outside, it tends to work better for us. Fortunately, Steven Miller is turning into a great receiving threat, so I can't complain about him not fitting into a fullback role.
Unlike our recently departed d-azzes - SS ACTUALLY has a plan - there was a young guy next to me yesterday and he was questioning those "run up the middle calls" - I kept telling him to "pay attention" because we would make a big play off a similar look - later in the game as we watched the video board of the replay of a big gainer I would ask him - What did you see first? - He would say - "A fake to Miller up the middle" - OK then :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Plus as we talked about at the end of the game - the Elon defense was gassed - if there had been 10 more minutes of football and we needed to - we would have pounded them and scored every time we had the ball - No one wants 2 and 15 but the question is - are we setting something up even though this play is not currently working? - with Satterfield I say - ABSOLUTELY !!! :arrow:
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Re: 2nd & 15

Unread post by AppinATL » Sun Oct 07, 2012 8:48 am

Well put. My point exactly. Some people can't see past their noses.

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Re: 2nd & 15

Unread post by Kiss My Apps » Sun Oct 07, 2012 9:01 am

Our offensive philosophy is predicated off of the hated "up the middle" plays. It is imperative that we at least attempt to establish this threat early and often.

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Re: 2nd & 15

Unread post by AppState89 » Sun Oct 07, 2012 10:19 am

MIX it up on 1st down, PERIOD!!!!! We run on 1st down about 75% of the time. Anyone that goes to the games, see this.
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Re: 2nd & 15

Unread post by AppGrad1 » Sun Oct 07, 2012 10:46 am

I'm sure the "can't see past his nose" comment was for me. I'm sure i don't know as much football as you but i do know that every play can set up other plays not just the dives up the middle on first down every series.
The greatest play calling is when it's 2nd and two or three. You can open up the entire playbook then. We got ourselves into about 6 or 7 2nd and 15 because of the dive on 1st down. So you're saying to keep it up hoping that it breaks open a play later on??
As for me, I'd mix it up some but what do i know, i can't see past my nose...

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Re: 2nd & 15

Unread post by YesAppCan » Sun Oct 07, 2012 10:52 am

Agree with you AppGrad1 and Robert on this one..

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Re: 2nd & 15

Unread post by AppinATL » Sun Oct 07, 2012 11:28 am

Well, you sniffed that one out!

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Re: 2nd & 15

Unread post by AppGrad1 » Sun Oct 07, 2012 11:42 am

Lol. Need more people to come to this board. Getting bored arguing with same ol people!

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Re: 2nd & 15

Unread post by AppinATL » Sun Oct 07, 2012 12:01 pm

Well, there's something we agree on. Really, I'm just pulling some chains here. I don't want to see this board die out and certainly don't want to see it become just some place for fans to gripe. That's where I'm coming from.

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Re: 2nd & 15

Unread post by AppState89 » Sun Oct 07, 2012 12:03 pm

AppinATL wrote:Well, there's something we agree on. Really, I'm just pulling some chains here. I don't want to see this board die out and certainly don't want to see it become just some place for fans to gripe. That's where I'm coming from.

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Re: 2nd & 15

Unread post by AppinVA » Sun Oct 07, 2012 12:42 pm

AppState89 wrote:
AppinATL wrote:Well, there's something we agree on. Really, I'm just pulling some chains here. I don't want to see this board die out and certainly don't want to see it become just some place for fans to gripe. That's where I'm coming from.

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Re: 2nd & 15

Unread post by goapps93 » Sun Oct 07, 2012 5:46 pm

AppGrad1 wrote:Scott, those 1st down dives just aren't working. Please mix it up on 1st down!
Thanks!
1. It's not a dive.

2. It's part of a game plan.

3. I agree it's used it a bit too often.

Some of us tried to tell folks after Scott was hired back that that play would still be seen a lot. I'm not sure if it's a straight give or a read play. It should be a read play and I've been a bit disappointed with Jackson's ability to make such decisions.
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Re: 2nd & 15

Unread post by hapapp » Sun Oct 07, 2012 6:08 pm

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That play was run all during the championship years. It was a staple in our playbook when we had KR. We now have a back capable of making that play work again.

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Re: 2nd & 15

Unread post by ViewCrew87 » Sun Oct 07, 2012 6:44 pm

Glad to see SS make the adjustment later when they were obviously leaving the middle open and pressing the edges.
Real concern is with the D giving up over 500yds...nearly 300 in the first half. We're going to have to outscore everyone.

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