To Kick Rather Than To Receive

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To Kick Rather Than To Receive

Unread post by CVAPP » Sun Oct 07, 2012 12:15 pm

Yesterday we won the toss and opted to kick. Elon was up by 7 points before our offense reached the field. Why do we facilitate this? I say win the toss and take ball...every time!

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Re: To Kick Rather Than To Receive

Unread post by AppGrad1 » Sun Oct 07, 2012 12:27 pm

It's a toss up as what to do! :D

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Re: To Kick Rather Than To Receive

Unread post by WVAPPeer » Sun Oct 07, 2012 12:31 pm

CVAPP wrote:Yesterday we won the toss and opted to kick. Elon was up by 7 points before our offense reached the field. Why do we facilitate this? I say win the toss and take ball...every time!
what if there is a 20 mph wind blowing from one end zone to the other?
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Re: To Kick Rather Than To Receive

Unread post by CVAPP » Sun Oct 07, 2012 12:35 pm

Yes, maybe if that is the reason. Are you suggesting that was yesterday's reason?

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Re: To Kick Rather Than To Receive

Unread post by AppinVA » Sun Oct 07, 2012 12:40 pm

I have scientific evidence to back it up, but I've noticed over the years that high school and pro teams usually elect to take the opening kick, while college teams like to defer. For high schools, it makes sense. If you win the toss and say you want "to kick" you'll be kicking to start both halves.
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Re: To Kick Rather Than To Receive

Unread post by CVAPP » Sun Oct 07, 2012 12:49 pm

I am not sure how weather related yesterday's decision was, but I know for certain Elon had no problem scoring a quick 7 despite battling the weather conditions we may have been opting to avoid ;)

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Re: To Kick Rather Than To Receive

Unread post by WVAPPeer » Sun Oct 07, 2012 1:01 pm

CVAPP wrote:Yes, maybe if that is the reason. Are you suggesting that was yesterday's reason?
nope - just giving you a hypothetical - you did say - "everytime"
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Re: To Kick Rather Than To Receive

Unread post by CVAPP » Sun Oct 07, 2012 1:10 pm

I did say "everytime". Now I am going to change it to "every time in what are perceived to be neutral weather conditions".
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Re: To Kick Rather Than To Receive

Unread post by WVAPPeer » Sun Oct 07, 2012 1:16 pm

CVAPP wrote:I did say "everytime". Now I am going to change it to "every time in what are perceived to be neutral weather conditions".
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Re: To Kick Rather Than To Receive

Unread post by asu1978 » Sun Oct 07, 2012 1:43 pm

Giving the opposition the ball first gives them the opportunity to set the course of the game.To me it's more important to have the ball first,than after half-time.

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Re: To Kick Rather Than To Receive

Unread post by AppSt94 » Sun Oct 07, 2012 4:47 pm

We deferred, not chose to kickoff. The difference being that by allowing Elon to choose to kick or receive, we pick which end to defend. Another reason for deferring is to seize momentum. If the deferring team scores just before the half, they will then retain the ball to start the 2nd half. This thought process potentially allows for a 14 point swing,

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Re: To Kick Rather Than To Receive

Unread post by Black Saturday » Sun Oct 07, 2012 5:50 pm

The way of the momentum and flow of the game was going, I was glad to be getting the ball to begin the second half.
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Re: To Kick Rather Than To Receive

Unread post by CVAPP » Sun Oct 07, 2012 6:53 pm

AppSt94 wrote:We deferred, not chose to kickoff. The difference being that by allowing Elon to choose to kick or receive, we pick which end to defend. Another reason for deferring is to seize momentum. If the deferring team scores just before the half, they will then retain the ball to start the 2nd half. This thought process potentially allows for a 14 point swing,
Wrong, we won the toss and elected to kick the ball.

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Re: To Kick Rather Than To Receive

Unread post by CVAPP » Sun Oct 07, 2012 6:55 pm

Black Saturday wrote:The way of the momentum and flow of the game was going, I was glad to be getting the ball to begin the second half.
Hindsight is always 20/20. BTW, if I recall correctly, we went 3 and out on our first possession in the 3rd.

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Re: To Kick Rather Than To Receive

Unread post by WVAPPeer » Sun Oct 07, 2012 6:56 pm

CVAPP wrote:
AppSt94 wrote:We deferred, not chose to kickoff. The difference being that by allowing Elon to choose to kick or receive, we pick which end to defend. Another reason for deferring is to seize momentum. If the deferring team scores just before the half, they will then retain the ball to start the 2nd half. This thought process potentially allows for a 14 point swing,
Wrong, we won the toss and elected to kick the ball.
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Re: To Kick Rather Than To Receive

Unread post by CVAPP » Sun Oct 07, 2012 6:59 pm

Nope, not unless my ears are failing me. They do broadcast the coin toss.

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Re: To Kick Rather Than To Receive

Unread post by Black Saturday » Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:01 pm

CVAPP wrote:
Black Saturday wrote:The way of the momentum and flow of the game was going, I was glad to be getting the ball to begin the second half.
Hindsight is always 20/20. BTW, if I recall correctly, we went 3 and out on our first possession in the 3rd.
Sorry I wasn't clear but that was my foresight thought at the end of the first half. However, it didn't turn out like I had hoped. I actually thought we'd open the floodgates on them in the second half.
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Re: To Kick Rather Than To Receive

Unread post by CVAPP » Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:12 pm

Black Saturday wrote:
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Black Saturday wrote:The way of the momentum and flow of the game was going, I was glad to be getting the ball to begin the second half.
Hindsight is always 20/20. BTW, if I recall correctly, we went 3 and out on our first possession in the 3rd.
Sorry I wasn't clear but that was my foresight thought at the end of the first half. However, it didn't turn out like I had hoped. I actually thought we'd open the floodgates on them in the second half.
My point being there's nothing wrong with opening the flood gates on an opponent from the get go. We gave Elon a chance to gain confidence. No need for that.

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Re: To Kick Rather Than To Receive

Unread post by Black Saturday » Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:56 pm

OK, I agree
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Re: To Kick Rather Than To Receive

Unread post by WVAPPeer » Sun Oct 07, 2012 8:00 pm

CVAPP wrote:Nope, not unless my ears are failing me. They do broadcast the coin toss.
Just so I understand you correctly - You are saying App won the toss and "elected" to kick? - If that's what you are saying you are wrong - In that scenario then Elon would have had the choice to begin the 2nd half and they would not have chosen to kick off but to receive - I truly believe you are mistaken ---
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