Baseball vs. Arkansas

[Kgfish]

I imagine they put their priority players for the first game on the flight that made it

I imagine they did.

[hapapp]

The three marquee men's sports have all gotten off to poor starts this year. The FB team lost 30-6, the MBB teams lost 98-77, and now BB falls 12-2. I think it fair to say regardless of how BB finishes, this has been a subpar year for App State sports. If you add WBB to the mix, they lost their season opener 98-53.

[Blackandgold]

I asked the question on another board, because of all the problems traveling today, why not cancel the game today and play double header tomarrow? Didn't really get a satisfactory answer, and Im sure that Ark wanted the game played today for obvious reasons, but, dam give me a break, you cant ask the team to go thru all they did today in terms of travel, show up 90 minutes before game, and expect to be competitive. I hate throw away games, but this is what we have here today...sucks.

Yea I wondered same thing. Bush league on Arkansas part. Real bush

[T-Dog]

After the game, Arkansas' coach indicated that we didn't want to play a doubleheader on Saturday and was fine with playing the game as scheduled.

[HkyMtneer]

I asked the question on another board, because of all the problems traveling today, why not cancel the game today and play double header tomarrow? Didn't really get a satisfactory answer, and Im sure that Ark wanted the game played today for obvious reasons, but, dam give me a break, you cant ask the team to go thru all they did today in terms of travel, show up 90 minutes before game, and expect to be competitive. I hate throw away games, but this is what we have here today...sucks.

Yea I wondered same thing. Bush league on Arkansas part. Real bush

I'm surprised if we were the ones that did not want to play a DH today. Nonetheless, I don't think I would say it was bush league on the part of Arkansas to not want to push the game back. They have much different considerations than us for doing so. Looking at the box score they had just over 7,200 reasons for doing so. As in a crowd of over 7,200. The loss of that gate, even for a SEC school, is serious money. Doing some quick math. At an average ticket price of $8, parking costs of $5 per car (using the average of a car per 3.4 spectators - which may or may not be a little high/low for college baseball), an average of $2.78 per person spent on concessions and $.85 spent per person on merchandise/programs/etc. (and those are averages from the MiLB a few seasons ago so they might be a little high/low for college baseball) then I come up with a number around $95,000. You have to factor out expenses obviously (such as our payout, power and lights, staff, officials, product, etc.) but then again those would need to be close to replicated to accommodate a DH so it's pretty much a wash in terms of deductions. I'm going to say they are looking at costs of around $20K a game (and that sounds a little high to me) but that leaves you at a profit per game of $75,000. I don't know, maybe a SEC power like Arkansas wouldn't sneeze at that loss, but I'm sure we would.

[moehler]

I guess it comes down to this, did we get a percentage of the total take, of which I understand, why we played the game, or were we paid a set amount already agreed, if that's the case I get why Ark would want the game played yesterday. Still doesn't change the facts that we were screwed before the first pitch, and there was little chance of us winning or even being competitive. In the grand scheme of the season, one lost is not a big deal, just the way we had to lose that bothers me.

[HkyMtneer]

I guess it comes down to this, did we get a percentage of the total take, of which I understand, why we played the game, or were we paid a set amount already agreed, if that's the case I get why Ark would want the game played yesterday. Still doesn't change the facts that we were screwed before the first pitch, and there was little chance of us winning or even being competitive. In the grand scheme of the season, one lost is not a big deal, just the way we had to lose that bothers me.

I agree that we were pretty much done for from the first pitch. When it takes a heck of an effort to just get there and show up and get ready for first pitch, you know your back is against the wall. I'd be curious about the payout as well. I'd imagine that a school like Arkansas would not want to deal in variances and therefore it was a previously agreed upon series payment, rather than a percentage.

[hapapp]

Not sure if we were screwed if we were the ones who wanted to play yesterday. According to T-Dog it was our decision to play. It is clear it was a difficult situation for our players, but to lose 12-2 takes a little of the bite out of the argument. Hopefully, today we will better prepared and we will see a more typical performance.

BTW, kudos to Western as they knocked on #4 Miss State, 3-2.

[moehler]

We will never know the whole story, maybe Ark increased our payout to play game, who knows, I just cant imagine our coaching staff would be that stupid to make the decision to play the game, without some kind of extra incentive, kinda get the feeling Ark made it "worth our while", atleast I hope that's what happened.

[huskie3]

As far as personnel goes I see no difference in the shortened squad and who we would have played anyway. I do not think Jones would have made many substitutions. I do think the travel hassle affected the game. Coaches always have a plan B when traveling and transportation issues arise.

[WVAPPeer]

12-2 ??? - FIRE the coaches !!! --- Of course, those who know my posts know this is as about as facetious as I can be --- Just didn't want this board to go thru the first game of another major sport without a "fire the coach" thread ---

[Blackandgold]

We will never know the whole story, maybe Ark increased our payout to play game, who knows, I just cant imagine our coaching staff would be that stupid to make the decision to play the game, without some kind of extra incentive, kinda get the feeling Ark made it "worth our while", atleast I hope that's what happened.

App wanted a double header today. And one game tomorrow. Which logic would think they'd adjust.

Arkansas wasn't willing to work with us

[WVAPPeer]

We will never know the whole story, maybe Ark increased our payout to play game, who knows, I just cant imagine our coaching staff would be that stupid to make the decision to play the game, without some kind of extra incentive, kinda get the feeling Ark made it "worth our while", atleast I hope that's what happened.

App wanted a double header today. And one game tomorrow. Which logic would think they'd adjust.

Arkansas wasn't willing to work with us

I'm pretty sure that in the regular season the home team has the final call ---

[Blackandgold]

We will never know the whole story, maybe Ark increased our payout to play game, who knows, I just cant imagine our coaching staff would be that stupid to make the decision to play the game, without some kind of extra incentive, kinda get the feeling Ark made it "worth our while", atleast I hope that's what happened.

App wanted a double header today. And one game tomorrow. Which logic would think they'd adjust.

Arkansas wasn't willing to work with us

I'm pretty sure that in the regular season the home team has the final call ---

I said nothing about who made the "final decision".

I said we wanted to play two today and one tomorrow. So we don't travel all day and show up an hour before game.

Arkansas should have been able to accommodate that, if they had wanted to work with us. They didn't want to work with us.

[McLeansvilleAppFan]

I asked the question on another board, because of all the problems traveling today, why not cancel the game today and play double header tomarrow? Didn't really get a satisfactory answer, and Im sure that Ark wanted the game played today for obvious reasons, but, dam give me a break, you cant ask the team to go thru all they did today in terms of travel, show up 90 minutes before game, and expect to be competitive. I hate throw away games, but this is what we have here today...sucks.

Yea I wondered same thing. Bush league on Arkansas part. Real bush

I'm surprised if we were the ones that did not want to play a DH today. Nonetheless, I don't think I would say it was bush league on the part of Arkansas to not want to push the game back. They have much different considerations than us for doing so. Looking at the box score they had just over 7,200 reasons for doing so. As in a crowd of over 7,200. The loss of that gate, even for a SEC school, is serious money. Doing some quick math. At an average ticket price of $8, parking costs of $5 per car (using the average of a car per 3.4 spectators - which may or may not be a little high/low for college baseball), an average of $2.78 per person spent on concessions and $.85 spent per person on merchandise/programs/etc. (and those are averages from the MiLB a few seasons ago so they might be a little high/low for college baseball) then I come up with a number around $95,000. You have to factor out expenses obviously (such as our payout, power and lights, staff, officials, product, etc.) but then again those would need to be close to replicated to accommodate a DH so it's pretty much a wash in terms of deductions. I'm going to say they are looking at costs of around $20K a game (and that sounds a little high to me) but that leaves you at a profit per game of $75,000. I don't know, maybe a SEC power like Arkansas wouldn't sneeze at that loss, but I'm sure we would.

From App's website - the box score HTML version -
Umpires - HP: Tony Walsh 1B: Jay Asher 2B: Scott Cline 3B: Scott Kennedy
Start: 4:05 pm Time: 2:38 Attendance: 7203
Weather: 49 degrees and sunny Game notes: Actual attendance: 4,337
Nunn faced 4 batters in the 4th.

Almost 3,000 tickets sold and not showing up. A refund is in order if the game is cancelled on Friday?
Still a lot of $ in concessions and such for the 4,300 at the game.

[WVAPPeer]

We will never know the whole story, maybe Ark increased our payout to play game, who knows, I just cant imagine our coaching staff would be that stupid to make the decision to play the game, without some kind of extra incentive, kinda get the feeling Ark made it "worth our while", atleast I hope that's what happened.

App wanted a double header today. And one game tomorrow. Which logic would think they'd adjust.

Arkansas wasn't willing to work with us

I'm pretty sure that in the regular season the home team has the final call ---

I said nothing about who made the "final decision".

I said we wanted to play two today and one tomorrow. So we don't travel all day and show up an hour before game.

Arkansas should have been able to accommodate that, if they had wanted to work with us. They didn't want to work with us.

Wasn't responding directly to you - just making a general statement ---

[YesAppCan]

***GAME 2***
Solo HR for Ark. bottom of 2nd... 1-0 them

[Gonzo]

Tied at 2.

Not such a push over when we have our full roster/a good night's sleep.

[mtnjax]

Dobson's got all the talent in the world, but he strikes out wayyy too much. especially if he's going to be the #2 hitter.

[YesAppCan]

Leach hasn't looked comfortable to me. 6-2 Arkansas, top of 6th.