Visiting Boone

[t4pizza]

Apology accepted. I get that this is a divided issue and I really am not trying to change anybody's mind here (because I really don't think that is possible). However, we actually have and continue to mandate vaccines for viruses. We have essentially eradicated small pox and polio viruses through mandated vaccination and most schools require proof of vaccinations for a variety of viruses (or diseases caused by the virus if one wants to get technical) including polio, measles, mumps, etc. I was born in 1970 so I have been vaccinated my entire life, but I really can't think of a virus/disease that has caused the uproar against vaccinations like Covid has. Imagine if half of our country refused to get the smallpox or polio vaccines when they were introduced? If that had happened, does anyone really think those viruses would have been eradicated? People can, and do, argue that Covid should not be one of those vaccinations that are required but our country certainly does have a long history of mandating vaccinations.

[AtlAppMan]

T4, I wasn't trying to call you out, although I sort of did and I apologize. Point was, this is a virus that differs from the flu virus in miniscule percentages. It's been politicized and used as click-bait and that's bad. We don't look for mandated masking or vaccine cards from the flu virus and need to stop it with Covid. I can tell you for a fact that the local hospital reported deaths on a basis of died with covid not from covid. I don't know national, but I without question know local. That in itself throws an * on any statistic. We keep running down this rabbit hole and a lot of the things we enjoy are not going to happen for yet another year. It's one thing to be smart and protect yourself from getting sick, but mandating of others isn't what we've ever done with a virus and it's out of control. We get back in control one person at a time.

miniscule?

Just answer me this....if everyone was vaccinated would we be having this discussion?

Yes, because the COVID vaccine does not prevent you from getting it nor prevent you from passing it along to others who don't have it. Its efficacy diminishes fairly quickly (weeks). This is not the same as a Polio vaccine.

[Rekdiver]

T4, I wasn't trying to call you out, although I sort of did and I apologize. Point was, this is a virus that differs from the flu virus in miniscule percentages. It's been politicized and used as click-bait and that's bad. We don't look for mandated masking or vaccine cards from the flu virus and need to stop it with Covid. I can tell you for a fact that the local hospital reported deaths on a basis of died with covid not from covid. I don't know national, but I without question know local. That in itself throws an * on any statistic. We keep running down this rabbit hole and a lot of the things we enjoy are not going to happen for yet another year. It's one thing to be smart and protect yourself from getting sick, but mandating of others isn't what we've ever done with a virus and it's out of control. We get back in control one person at a time.

miniscule?

Just answer me this....if everyone was vaccinated would we be having this discussion?

Yes, because the COVID vaccine does not prevent you from getting it nor prevent you from passing it along to others who don't have it. Its efficacy diminishes fairly quickly (weeks). This is not the same as a Polio vaccine.

And you get your inforrmation about efficacy from where? with all due respect you dont know what you are talking about.


and:

North Carolina experienced the largest single day jump in hospital ICU admissions since the beginning of the pandemic. Weekly COVID-19 hospitalizations among people ages 20-49 are at an all-time high.
More details: https://www.ncdhhs.gov/.../covid-19-hospitalizations...

[Appsolutely]

When does the refusal to get vaccinated in the name of “personal freedom” morph into selfishness and a lack of concern for our fellow citizens?

[roachgone]

This isn’t a communist or socialist country. I’m not showing paperwork to live my life.

We aren’t socialist yet but if this current bunch running things has their way it won’t be long.

[Rekdiver]

When does the refusal to get vaccinated in the name of “personal freedom” morph into selfishness and a lack of concern for our fellow citizens?

You mean when did it? Cause it started as soon as it became political

[BallantyneApp]

T4, I wasn't trying to call you out, although I sort of did and I apologize. Point was, this is a virus that differs from the flu virus in miniscule percentages. It's been politicized and used as click-bait and that's bad. We don't look for mandated masking or vaccine cards from the flu virus and need to stop it with Covid. I can tell you for a fact that the local hospital reported deaths on a basis of died with covid not from covid. I don't know national, but I without question know local. That in itself throws an * on any statistic. We keep running down this rabbit hole and a lot of the things we enjoy are not going to happen for yet another year. It's one thing to be smart and protect yourself from getting sick, but mandating of others isn't what we've ever done with a virus and it's out of control. We get back in control one person at a time.

miniscule?

Just answer me this....if everyone was vaccinated would we be having this discussion?

Yes, because the COVID vaccine does not prevent you from getting it nor prevent you from passing it along to others who don't have it. Its efficacy diminishes fairly quickly (weeks). This is not the same as a Polio vaccine.

And you get your inforrmation about efficacy from where? with all due respect you dont know what you are talking about.


and:

North Carolina experienced the largest single day jump in hospital ICU admissions since the beginning of the pandemic. Weekly COVID-19 hospitalizations among people ages 20-49 are at an all-time high.
More details: https://www.ncdhhs.gov/.../covid-19-hospitalizations...

I don't know about weeks, but for some time its been clear that after a few months, the efficacy wanes (hence the talk of booster shots ~6 months after our elderly/most at risk were vaccinated)

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/23/scie ... fizer.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/cdc-stu ... nated.html


The mass study makes it very clear- 74% were fully vaccinated, most were symptomatic and importantly, they were shedding the same amount of virus as unvaccinated people. Interestingly, they were hospitalized at a greater rate, i'm assuming thats because they had a much higher average age/level of comorbidity than the unvaccinated group.

I wish we didn't devolve into our tribes of science vs magats, or sheep vs patriots, so we could have an honest conversation on the vaccines.

If you are old and at risk, you need to get the vaccines. If you're younger already had covid, had antibodies and T cell protection, you probably have better protection than the vaccine can give you. If you're younger and haven't naturally gotten the virus, you should strongly consider getting the vaccine. If I was the CDC I would look into if the vaccine in any way hampers Tcell production from natural infections post vaccination.

Even if we vaccinate every man woman and child on earth at the same time, we're still going to have covid around because it has animal reservoirs.

I put a lot of blame on the media, politicians and the public health establishment for instilling fear, sending mixed messages, and engaging in "noble lies" in order to influence public opinion. Slate had a great article about the Noble Lie and mistrust in public health. Democrats and Republicans have their fair share of blame to go around, as is usual.

[hapapp]

I'm so tired of people tossing around terms like socialism. communism, Marxism, when they don't even understand their meaning.

[AppfaninCAALand]

I put a lot of blame on the media, politicians and the public health establishment for instilling fear, sending mixed messages, and engaging in "noble lies" in order to influence public opinion. Slate had a great article about the Noble Lie and mistrust in public health. Democrats and Republicans have their fair share of blame to go around, as is usual.

This is spot on. The public health establishment has been particularly bad at handling this issue. I've read trust in that sector is at an all time low, and with good reason. And that is the truly unfortunate loss coming out of this unpleasantness.

The media is always bad and mostly just interested in sensationalism and panic pushing. As for government officials, as they usually do, they have mostly just been guilty of jumping on whatever seems be the prevailing wind so as to appear to be "doing something".

Quite frankly, fast tracking a vaccine (but not the roll out) is the only thing the government or public health sector done that hasn't been horrible.

[AppfaninCAALand]

I'm so tired of people tossing around terms like socialism. communism, Marxism, when they don't even understand their meaning.

Same with fascism, most people use all four terms to simply describe something they don't like - or sometimes something they do like. Though I think the meaning of all four have morphed so much that they can mean different things to different people - and they could all be sort of correct.

[hapapp]

T4, I wasn't trying to call you out, although I sort of did and I apologize. Point was, this is a virus that differs from the flu virus in miniscule percentages. It's been politicized and used as click-bait and that's bad. We don't look for mandated masking or vaccine cards from the flu virus and need to stop it with Covid. I can tell you for a fact that the local hospital reported deaths on a basis of died with covid not from covid. I don't know national, but I without question know local. That in itself throws an * on any statistic. We keep running down this rabbit hole and a lot of the things we enjoy are not going to happen for yet another year. It's one thing to be smart and protect yourself from getting sick, but mandating of others isn't what we've ever done with a virus and it's out of control. We get back in control one person at a time.

miniscule?

Just answer me this....if everyone was vaccinated would we be having this discussion?

Yes, because the COVID vaccine does not prevent you from getting it nor prevent you from passing it along to others who don't have it. Its efficacy diminishes fairly quickly (weeks). This is not the same as a Polio vaccine.

And you get your inforrmation about efficacy from where? with all due respect you dont know what you are talking about.


and:

North Carolina experienced the largest single day jump in hospital ICU admissions since the beginning of the pandemic. Weekly COVID-19 hospitalizations among people ages 20-49 are at an all-time high.
More details: https://www.ncdhhs.gov/.../covid-19-hospitalizations...

I don't know about weeks, but for some time its been clear that after a few months, the efficacy wanes (hence the talk of booster shots ~6 months after our elderly/most at risk were vaccinated)

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/23/scie ... fizer.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/cdc-stu ... nated.html


The mass study makes it very clear- 74% were fully vaccinated, most were symptomatic and importantly, they were shedding the same amount of virus as unvaccinated people. Interestingly, they were hospitalized at a greater rate, i'm assuming thats because they had a much higher average age/level of comorbidity than the unvaccinated group.

I wish we didn't devolve into our tribes of science vs magats, or sheep vs patriots, so we could have an honest conversation on the vaccines.

If you are old and at risk, you need to get the vaccines. If you're younger already had covid, had antibodies and T cell protection, you probably have better protection than the vaccine can give you. If you're younger and haven't naturally gotten the virus, you should strongly consider getting the vaccine. If I was the CDC I would look into if the vaccine in any way hampers Tcell production from natural infections post vaccination.

Even if we vaccinate every man woman and child on earth at the same time, we're still going to have covid around because it has animal reservoirs.

I put a lot of blame on the media, politicians and the public health establishment for instilling fear, sending mixed messages, and engaging in "noble lies" in order to influence public opinion. Slate had a great article about the Noble Lie and mistrust in public health. Democrats and Republicans have their fair share of blame to go around, as is usual.

Which makes mask wearing all the more important and this study was the reason the CDC issued the new recommendation.

[hapapp]

I'm so tired of people tossing around terms like socialism. communism, Marxism, when they don't even understand their meaning.

Same with fascism, most people use all four terms to simply describe something they don't like - or sometimes something they do like. Though I think the meaning of all four have morphed so much that they can mean different things to different people - and they could all be sort of correct.

That, too.

[hapapp]

T4, I wasn't trying to call you out, although I sort of did and I apologize. Point was, this is a virus that differs from the flu virus in miniscule percentages. It's been politicized and used as click-bait and that's bad. We don't look for mandated masking or vaccine cards from the flu virus and need to stop it with Covid. I can tell you for a fact that the local hospital reported deaths on a basis of died with covid not from covid. I don't know national, but I without question know local. That in itself throws an * on any statistic. We keep running down this rabbit hole and a lot of the things we enjoy are not going to happen for yet another year. It's one thing to be smart and protect yourself from getting sick, but mandating of others isn't what we've ever done with a virus and it's out of control. We get back in control one person at a time.

miniscule?

Just answer me this....if everyone was vaccinated would we be having this discussion?

Yes, because the COVID vaccine does not prevent you from getting it nor prevent you from passing it along to others who don't have it. Its efficacy diminishes fairly quickly (weeks). This is not the same as a Polio vaccine.

And you get your inforrmation about efficacy from where? with all due respect you dont know what you are talking about.


and:

North Carolina experienced the largest single day jump in hospital ICU admissions since the beginning of the pandemic. Weekly COVID-19 hospitalizations among people ages 20-49 are at an all-time high.
More details: https://www.ncdhhs.gov/.../covid-19-hospitalizations...

I don't know about weeks, but for some time its been clear that after a few months, the efficacy wanes (hence the talk of booster shots ~6 months after our elderly/most at risk were vaccinated)

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/23/scie ... fizer.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/cdc-stu ... nated.html


The mass study makes it very clear- 74% were fully vaccinated, most were symptomatic and importantly, they were shedding the same amount of virus as unvaccinated people. Interestingly, they were hospitalized at a greater rate, i'm assuming thats because they had a much higher average age/level of comorbidity than the unvaccinated group.

I wish we didn't devolve into our tribes of science vs magats, or sheep vs patriots, so we could have an honest conversation on the vaccines.

If you are old and at risk, you need to get the vaccines. If you're younger already had covid, had antibodies and T cell protection, you probably have better protection than the vaccine can give you. If you're younger and haven't naturally gotten the virus, you should strongly consider getting the vaccine. If I was the CDC I would look into if the vaccine in any way hampers Tcell production from natural infections post vaccination.

Even if we vaccinate every man woman and child on earth at the same time, we're still going to have covid around because it has animal reservoirs.

I put a lot of blame on the media, politicians and the public health establishment for instilling fear, sending mixed messages, and engaging in "noble lies" in order to influence public opinion. Slate had a great article about the Noble Lie and mistrust in public health. Democrats and Republicans have their fair share of blame to go around, as is usual.

Though it's still the unvaccinated that make up the majority of cases.
https://www.vox.com/22602039/breakthrough

[AppinVA]

This is the most disappointing thread ever about “Visiting Boone.”

[goapps]

I'm so tired of people tossing around terms like socialism. communism, Marxism, when they don't even understand their meaning.

This

[Seattleapp]

I'm so tired of people tossing around terms like socialism. communism, Marxism, when they don't even understand their meaning.

Please enlighten the board

[appst1992]

Interesting article:

https://medicine.wustl.edu/news/good-ne ... rotection/

I have Covid right now. I'm on day 12 of it...I won't lie, it's been tough. Congestion, fever, body aches, no appetite, AND it has given me pneumonia in both lungs that is being treated with antibiotics. Interesting thing is, I was with 3 other people when I'm 99% sure on contracted the virus. All of them were vaccinated, I wasn't. We ALL got the exact same symptoms at the exact same time (3 days later). Difference is their symptoms lasted 6 days and I'm on day 12 but finally turning the corner.

Regarding the article above, my doc told me the same thing. I have better immunity to covid and any of the variants now, than I could ever have with the vaccine. I still plan to get the vaccine but I have to wait at least 90 days. But it goes to show, allowing our bodies to build our own immunity just like we've done for a million years against thousands of viruses (not diseases) is the best way, unless you have a compromised immune system that needs supplementation.

[Saint3333]

But I didn’t.

Your statement implies the total deaths are increasing exponentially.

Sorry, Grammar matters.

Well, if that's how you read it, then I guess that's how you read it. That is not how it is read grammatically though. Daily means current -- not last spring/winter.

Also, if you're so gung-ho on grammar mattering, perhaps you shouldn't capitalize the G

Hahahaha.

Good night bud, go read a book.

[hapapp]

I'm so tired of people tossing around terms like socialism. communism, Marxism, when they don't even understand their meaning.

Please enlighten the board

For one, socialism is an economic system not a political one. Mandating mask wearing, for example, is not a socialist act. A nation could be socialist with a totalitarian government or be a socialist country with lots of political freedom like the Scandinavian countries.

[Saint3333]

Oh darn, misusing socialism strikes again.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes ... alist/amp/