NY Gov Gun Laws...

[AppGrad1]

http://news.yahoo.com/indian-women-give ... 09833.html

Wonder how well this would work against a gang of rapist? Not too good one would think.

[JTApps1]

Taking this a different direction.

My Grandmother died at age 92....I knew her to vote EVERY time the polls opened until the end of her life when she was in a nursing facility.

Today many want voter id etc...well if this law had been in place during her life she would not have been able to vote as she NEVER had a license or picture ID nor the will to get one.

What would you say to her....and there are STILL many like her today in our country.

Since she was clearly committed to exercising her right to vote I would imagine that she would get an ID in order to continue doing so. It may be a slight inconvenience to people like her, but it would be worth it to help curb voter fraud.

[Kgfish]

Partial birth abortion was banned in 2003.

Not exactly.

http://www.guttmacher.org/statecenter/s ... b_BPBA.pdf

[Kgfish]

Taking this a different direction.

My Grandmother died at age 92....I knew her to vote EVERY time the polls opened until the end of her life when she was in a nursing facility.

Today many want voter id etc...well if this law had been in place during her life she would not have been able to vote as she NEVER had a license or picture ID nor the will to get one.

What would you say to her....and there are STILL many like her today in our country.

If she were a minority the repubs would say tough stuff old lady.

If she were a minority the libs would provide her a ride to the poll, a free meal once she got there and a free phone to call all her friends to come along.

[appdaze]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/25/ca ... latestnews

[Watauga72]

Abortion is not a recent phenomona, brought on by a "liberal" society and lack of self control. Abortion has been around in this country for a long time. In some states it was illegal, or available only to those who could afford it. Others sought out backroom abortionists or quacks. Roe made it more readily available to all women, including those from lower socio-economic backgrounds who, previously, were those forced to seek out the illegal abortionists. We could argue all day (and do) about the status of personhood. I prefer to leave the decision up to the woman, as they are the one most immediately impacted. Strangely, this would normally be a very conservative position as conservatives usually want the state to refrain from making decisions for the individual. And yes, I realize that the fetus is also impacted, but we could on forever with the argument about when this should be a viable person.

[AppinVA]

Abortion is not a recent phenomona, brought on by a "liberal" society and lack of self control. Abortion has been around in this country for a long time. In some states it was illegal, or available only to those who could afford it. Others sought out backroom abortionists or quacks. Roe made it more readily available to all women, including those from lower socio-economic backgrounds who, previously, were those forced to seek out the illegal abortionists. We could argue all day (and do) about the status of personhood. I prefer to leave the decision up to the woman, as they are the one most immediately impacted. Strangely, this would normally be a very conservative position as conservatives usually want the state to refrain from making decisions for the individual. And yes, I realize that the fetus is also impacted, but we could on forever with the argument about when this should be a viable person.

Conservatives are for personal freedom to the point it violates the personal freedom of another. The BABY in waiting is a bit more than slightly inconvenienced.

[Watauga72]

Again, we'll not solve the issue about baby vs fetus and human rights. We'll just have to disagree on that one. Your opinion is clear, and well stated....but it is YOUR opinion and not shared by everyone.

[AppinVA]

Well, things would go a lot smoother if everyone would just agree with me.

[McLeansvilleAppFan]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/3 ... 92672.html

This thread may never die. Every time it goes off my radar on MMB I read about something else, and I did not get a chance to post a link to another shooting the other day as I was a bit busy.

[AppGrad1]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/3 ... 92672.html

This thread may never die. Every time it goes off my radar on MMB I read about something else, and I did not get a chance to post a link to another shooting the other day as I was a bit busy.

I saw this too. Kudos to the "Armed Officer" who disarmed the student. No telling how many others may have been shot without this. I know it said this wasn't a random shooting but who knows when this guy may have been backed in a corner.

Sadly, but we MUST place armed officers in all our schools nowadays.

I hate the when the press gets all involved in this stuff but watch and see, this will not get much press because not enough people were shot and it would be harder to push the anti-gun agenda or armed officers in the schools... Maybe because an armed guard stopped it right away? We'll never know.

Food for Thought: Not sure what kind of weapon was used, I'm assuming a pistol because IF IT WERE AN AR-15 (ASSAULT WEAPON) IT WOULD BE ON THE NEWS 24-7...

[McLeansvilleAppFan]

I can't keep up with all the shootings. Here is another.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/3 ... 90637.html

[3rd]

cant keep up with shootings? try keeping up with car deaths

[asutrnr81]

I can't keep up with all the shootings. Here is another.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/3 ... 90637.html

Thought this comment was interesting: "Who needs an expensive defense lawyer when a 2nd amendment solution to your legal problems is on sale at Wal-Mart?"

[Appsolutely]

Overturning Roe vs. Wade will not stop abortions. Those that can afford it will go to another country to have abortions and those that can't will resort to the "back-alley" stuff that was going on prior to the legalization of abortion. Pro-lifers aren't battling the law; they are battling the convictions of those who are pro-choice. IMO that is a battle they cannot win.

[goapps93]

It's still more a people problem than a gun problem. And I think today's media is driving some of this. Just maybe, that kid who's been pushed close to edge or really mad at someone wouldn't go a shooting rampage if he/she didn't constantly see other shootings sensationalized all over the television and think "hey, I could do that, that'll show 'em, and then I'll be famous." Sure, the availability of guns is an issue but it's just a branch of the violence problem in this country. To do any real damage to that tree we're going to have to get to it's roots.

[goapps93]

Overturning Roe vs. Wade will not stop abortions. Those that can afford it will go to another country to have abortions and those that can't will resort to the "back-alley" stuff that was going on prior to the legalization of abortion. Pro-lifers aren't battling the law; they are battling the convictions of those who are pro-choice. IMO that is a battle they cannot win.

I agree with you there and what I wish pro-lifers would do more of is reach out to those considering abortion and counseling on alternatives and assisting with carrying out pregnancies. But to many pro-choicers even that is too much. Abortion is not good thing, legal or not.

[Deano]

The US Constitution was written as a loose guideline for our Government and a Moral Society. The last 200 years our government both Federal and State have been making laws to deal with the degradation of our morality.
"Hey too many people are getting fat, lets outlaw large soft drinks, Hey too many people are committing murder, lets outlaw guns". We don't need more laws. Nothing about the recent shootings was legal. So creating more laws are going to do what? Only effect people who actually abide by the law.
I'm for stronger back ground checks and whatever will make our children safer, but to me what our President and our politicians are doing is just pushing a political agenda, and we seem to be happy in giving up our freedom. Again, this is a morality issue not a gun, knife, or any inanimate object issue.

[Watauga72]

The US Constitution was written as a loose guideline for our Government and a Moral Society. The last 200 years our government both Federal and State have been making laws to deal with the degradation of our morality.
"Hey too many people are getting fat, lets outlaw large soft drinks, Hey too many people are committing murder, lets outlaw guns". We don't need more laws. Nothing about the recent shootings was legal. So creating more laws are going to do what? Only effect people who actually abide by the law.
I'm for stronger back ground checks and whatever will make our children safer, but to me what our President and our politicians are doing is just pushing a political agenda, and we seem to be happy in giving up our freedom. Again, this is a morality issue not a gun, knife, or any inanimate object issue.

You're right, the constitution is a framework outlining the republican form of government, delineating powers between branches and levels of government, and naming certain protected rights.

Those laws that "our government" has been making over the past 200 years have generally been done by elected officials, so we have only ourselves to blame for any political agenda being pushed.

[Appsolutely]

Taking this a different direction.

My Grandmother died at age 92....I knew her to vote EVERY time the polls opened until the end of her life when she was in a nursing facility.

Today many want voter id etc...well if this law had been in place during her life she would not have been able to vote as she NEVER had a license or picture ID nor the will to get one.

What would you say to her....and there are STILL many like her today in our country.

Since she was clearly committed to exercising her right to vote I would imagine that she would get an ID in order to continue doing so. It may be a slight inconvenience to people like her, but it would be worth it to help curb voter fraud.

JT, If there were a major problem with voter fraud in this country, I would agree with you. But the amount of voter fraud in the U.S. is miniscule (check non-partisan studies on this) so the voter ID thing appears to most people as a not-so-thinly-veiled attempt at voter suppression...especially since this issue is being pushed by Republicans and the voters which would be affected are predominantly Democratic voters.