NY Gov Gun Laws...

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If I were in that theater I'd rather have a gun to protect myself and family than not having a gun......

If I were in that theater and I didn't have a gun I'd rather you have one beside me than not at all.....

Question to the anti gun people. If you were in that theater and the shooter walked over to your daughter/son and pointed his gun at them and you were just laying there beside them trying to cover them up would you like to have a gun to pull on the guy and shoot him or just lay there and watch him kill your family? What if you were unarmed and the guy hiding behind a chair jumped up and shot the guy right before he stood over your child and pulled the trigger. Tell me, how can you honestly say that you wouldn't like to have a gun in that situation???????????

Thoughts on this NRA video that has been put out?

First off I am not anti gun. I am a gun owner. I am anti carry wherever you want and high capacity mags. The gun show loophole and private sale loophole are specifically designed to get guns in criminals hands. Firstly off of course you would want to have a gun, but it doesnt nessessarily make you safer. You could actually be putting your family at more risk. You pull a gun and the shooter sees it, who do you think he is going to shoot first? Say your tactically trained to handle such a situation and you get the shot off first and stop him. Then the next guy with a gun stands up sees you and shoots you thinking you were the shooter. (dark theater remember) Cant blame him for killing you. He was just a concearned citizen like you remember.

Come on, you got to be kidding. This theater guy was wearing a "Batman" outfit with a mask and assault gear. There was NO way someone would not know who he was. He stood at the front of the theater and everyone saw him.
I'm not saying that EVERY concealed carry would NEVER shoot someone innocent. Things happen. I might be taking things to the extreme right but you are taking things to the extreme left.
I'll take my chances and I pray that someone sitting beside me in that theater is carrying also. The odds will be on my side...

I took a police process class at App where the professor had a grad student come in the room screaming and throwing paper balls at us and ran out. He then told us not to talk to anyone and tells us what the guy looked like. According to our class he wabothblack and white, with long/shorter hair and wore green broen and blue shirts all at the same time. It is so easy to think you know what YOU would do but you dont. Ive been through a combat course and when even blank are being fired at you you forget anything knowledgeable and just start pulling the damn trigger. What if you were a second shooter. Isnt it possible there there could be two shooters?

[AppGrad1]

Everyone is"assuming" the concealed carry person would kill innocent people? I can show many situations where they did shoot and kill the bad guy.

More guns is just not the answer in my opinion. I hate to think that my kid needs to be surrounded by guns at school to be safe.

Nothing is going to fix this problem overnight. The toothpaste is out of the tube. But most reasonable people agree assault weapons ban and magazine size restrictions are a start. Keep in mind this will only affect you and I, in other words legal purchases. Criminals will find a way. But over time hopefully a ban would make a difference. After all the aurora and newtown incidents were carried out with legally purchased guns.

I know this is going off in a different angle but the 2nd Amendment was written so that the people could protect themselves against the government if needed. You don't have to like it or may think it's silly but that is exactly what it was written for. If the government restricts it's people to small arms and the government has "auto" rifles then we have a problem. If is against the Constitution for the government to take away these rights. Period.
We can go off on a tangent about the government having tanks etc, but at least the people has "semi equal" weapons in these rifles. If anyone thinks mass shootings will stop or slow down with this bill they are fooling themselves. The world we live in is getting crazier every day and will continue to do so until then end of time. No laws will ever stop the evilness in this world...

[biggie]

And still would want a gun rather than relying on a movie seat cushion to stop the bullets coming at me.

[AppGrad1]

If I were in that theater I'd rather have a gun to protect myself and family than not having a gun......

If I were in that theater and I didn't have a gun I'd rather you have one beside me than not at all.....

Question to the anti gun people. If you were in that theater and the shooter walked over to your daughter/son and pointed his gun at them and you were just laying there beside them trying to cover them up would you like to have a gun to pull on the guy and shoot him or just lay there and watch him kill your family? What if you were unarmed and the guy hiding behind a chair jumped up and shot the guy right before he stood over your child and pulled the trigger. Tell me, how can you honestly say that you wouldn't like to have a gun in that situation???????????

Thoughts on this NRA video that has been put out?

First off I am not anti gun. I am a gun owner. I am anti carry wherever you want and high capacity mags. The gun show loophole and private sale loophole are specifically designed to get guns in criminals hands. Firstly off of course you would want to have a gun, but it doesnt nessessarily make you safer. You could actually be putting your family at more risk. You pull a gun and the shooter sees it, who do you think he is going to shoot first? Say your tactically trained to handle such a situation and you get the shot off first and stop him. Then the next guy with a gun stands up sees you and shoots you thinking you were the shooter. (dark theater remember) Cant blame him for killing you. He was just a concearned citizen like you remember.

Come on, you got to be kidding. This theater guy was wearing a "Batman" outfit with a mask and assault gear. There was NO way someone would not know who he was. He stood at the front of the theater and everyone saw him.
I'm not saying that EVERY concealed carry would NEVER shoot someone innocent. Things happen. I might be taking things to the extreme right but you are taking things to the extreme left.
I'll take my chances and I pray that someone sitting beside me in that theater is carrying also. The odds will be on my side...

I took a police process class at App where the professor had a grad student come in the room screaming and throwing paper balls at us and ran out. He then told us not to talk to anyone and tells us what the guy looked like. According to our class he wabothblack and white, with long/shorter hair and wore green broen and blue shirts all at the same time. It is so easy to think you know what YOU would do but you dont. Ive been through a combat course and when even blank are being fired at you you forget anything knowledgeable and just start pulling the damn trigger. What if you were a second shooter. Isnt it possible there there could be two shooters?

Yes. Still, I refuse to die or watch my daughter/son/wife die because I was afraid I might not recognize who the shooter is. I'm sure if I was in the theater and a masked man was shooting the place up and walked up to me and pointed his weapon at my son/daughter/wife that I'd figure he wasn't about to ask for their ID.
I kinda think I'd know he was the shooter. There are other situations for sure and I'm sure some might be hard to figure out, BUT there are some no brainers that happen and I will be prepared for it.

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The gun show loophole

First thing would be to stop the libs/media incorrect terms and false statements.

One would be the gun show loophole. No such thing. Everyone buying a gun at a gun show has to go through a background check, just if they were guying at a licensed store.

There is not technically a federal check for private long gun sales, person just has to verifiy that buyer is NC resident and ask them if they are allowed to own a gun (there is also a website a seller can run the persons name through to check for felony convictions). Most people I know keep records of who they sold to or even require showing a PPP or CHP for long gun sales. They could change the laws on this, but do criminals follow laws or would they still break laws to get the guns they need?

For private handgun sales a PPP or CHP is required, so a background check is required.

Ever been to a gun show outside of NC.

Unfortunately, only six states (CA, CO, IL, NY, OR, RI) require universal background checks on all firearm sales at gun shows. Three more states (CT, MD, PA) require background checks on all handgun sales made at gun shows. Seven other states (HI, IA, MA, MI, NJ, NC, NE) require purchasers to obtain a permit and undergo a background check before buying a handgun. Florida allows its counties to regulate gun shows by requiring background checks on all firearms purchases at these events. 33 states have taken no action whatsoever to close the Gun Show Loophole. 33 states in which you need 0........0 background check to sell a firearm at a gunshow.

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The gun show loophole

First thing would be to stop the libs/media incorrect terms and false statements.

One would be the gun show loophole. No such thing. Everyone buying a gun at a gun show has to go through a background check, just if they were guying at a licensed store.

There is not technically a federal check for private long gun sales, person just has to verifiy that buyer is NC resident and ask them if they are allowed to own a gun (there is also a website a seller can run the persons name through to check for felony convictions). Most people I know keep records of who they sold to or even require showing a PPP or CHP for long gun sales. They could change the laws on this, but do criminals follow laws or would they still break laws to get the guns they need?

For private handgun sales a PPP or CHP is required, so a background check is required.

Forgive my ignorance, but what is a PPP and CHP. My first thought is that a CHP is Concealed Handgun Permit. But I have no clue on PPP.

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Purchase permit.

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Everyone is"assuming" the concealed carry person would kill innocent people? I can show many situations where they did shoot and kill the bad guy.

More guns is just not the answer in my opinion. I hate to think that my kid needs to be surrounded by guns at school to be safe.

Nothing is going to fix this problem overnight. The toothpaste is out of the tube. But most reasonable people agree assault weapons ban and magazine size restrictions are a start. Keep in mind this will only affect you and I, in other words legal purchases. Criminals will find a way. But over time hopefully a ban would make a difference. After all the aurora and newtown incidents were carried out with legally purchased guns.

I know this is going off in a different angle but the 2nd Amendment was written so that the people could protect themselves against the government if needed. You don't have to like it or may think it's silly but that is exactly what it was written for. If the government restricts it's people to small arms and the government has "auto" rifles then we have a problem. If is against the Constitution for the government to take away these rights. Period.
We can go off on a tangent about the government having tanks etc, but at least the people has "semi equal" weapons in these rifles. If anyone thinks mass shootings will stop or slow down with this bill they are fooling themselves. The world we live in is getting crazier every day and will continue to do so until then end of time. No laws will ever stop the evilness in this world...

Whats your AR15 gonna do against a bradley tank or f16? There goes that idea. It isnt aimed at stopping mass shooting. Nothing will stop mass shooting it is making it harder for the wrong people to get their hands on weapons that can do damage not intended for self defense. Yes will bad people still get their hand on this stuff. Initially yes but after a while thier supply will dry up. Just ask Ronald Reagan

“While we recognize that assault weapon legislation will not stop all assault weapon crime, statistics prove that we can dry up the supply of these guns, making them less accessible to criminals. We urge you to listen to the American public and to the law enforcement community and support a ban on the further manufacture of these weapons.”

-Ronald Reagan
(1994 letter to congressmen urging them to vote yes on an assualt weapon ban)

[AppGrad1]

Everyone is"assuming" the concealed carry person would kill innocent people? I can show many situations where they did shoot and kill the bad guy.

More guns is just not the answer in my opinion. I hate to think that my kid needs to be surrounded by guns at school to be safe.

Nothing is going to fix this problem overnight. The toothpaste is out of the tube. But most reasonable people agree assault weapons ban and magazine size restrictions are a start. Keep in mind this will only affect you and I, in other words legal purchases. Criminals will find a way. But over time hopefully a ban would make a difference. After all the aurora and newtown incidents were carried out with legally purchased guns.

I know this is going off in a different angle but the 2nd Amendment was written so that the people could protect themselves against the government if needed. You don't have to like it or may think it's silly but that is exactly what it was written for. If the government restricts it's people to small arms and the government has "auto" rifles then we have a problem. If is against the Constitution for the government to take away these rights. Period.
We can go off on a tangent about the government having tanks etc, but at least the people has "semi equal" weapons in these rifles. If anyone thinks mass shootings will stop or slow down with this bill they are fooling themselves. The world we live in is getting crazier every day and will continue to do so until then end of time. No laws will ever stop the evilness in this world...

Whats your AR15 gonna do against a bradley tank or f16? There goes that idea. It isnt aimed at stopping mass shooting. Nothing will stop mass shooting it is making it harder for the wrong people to get their hands on weapons that can do damage not intended for self defense. Yes will bad people still get their hand on this stuff. Initially yes but after a while thier supply will dry up. Just ask Ronald Reagan

“While we recognize that assault weapon legislation will not stop all assault weapon crime, statistics prove that we can dry up the supply of these guns, making them less accessible to criminals. We urge you to listen to the American public and to the law enforcement community and support a ban on the further manufacture of these weapons.”

-Ronald Reagan
(1994 letter to congressmen urging them to vote yes on an assualt weapon ban)

What's my 7 shot semi auto pistol going to do against the governments AR - 15 rifles?
The tank idea holds NO merit. There are not enough tanks by the government to patrol this entire nation but there are enough government AR 15's to patrol it. Now, the citizens are up against them with their 7 shot pistols.

[biggie]

Forgive my ignorance, but what is a PPP and CHP. My first thought is that a CHP is Concealed Handgun Permit. But I have no clue on PPP.

As mentioned PPP is Pistol Purchase Permit and CHP is Concealed Handgun Permit.

One or the other is required to buy a pistol in the state of NC. PPP costs $5 is aquired by going to the local Sheriff's office, filing out paperwork, then waiting a few days for them to run the background check, then you come and pick it up. A PPP is required per handung purchase.

CHP serves as an unlimited PPP. But it requires the class, $95, fingerprinting, background check, and $85 renewal every 5 years.

[ASUPATCH]

Everyone is"assuming" the concealed carry person would kill innocent people? I can show many situations where they did shoot and kill the bad guy.

More guns is just not the answer in my opinion. I hate to think that my kid needs to be surrounded by guns at school to be safe.

Nothing is going to fix this problem overnight. The toothpaste is out of the tube. But most reasonable people agree assault weapons ban and magazine size restrictions are a start. Keep in mind this will only affect you and I, in other words legal purchases. Criminals will find a way. But over time hopefully a ban would make a difference. After all the aurora and newtown incidents were carried out with legally purchased guns.

I know this is going off in a different angle but the 2nd Amendment was written so that the people could protect themselves against the government if needed. You don't have to like it or may think it's silly but that is exactly what it was written for. If the government restricts it's people to small arms and the government has "auto" rifles then we have a problem. If is against the Constitution for the government to take away these rights. Period.
We can go off on a tangent about the government having tanks etc, but at least the people has "semi equal" weapons in these rifles. If anyone thinks mass shootings will stop or slow down with this bill they are fooling themselves. The world we live in is getting crazier every day and will continue to do so until then end of time. No laws will ever stop the evilness in this world...

Whats your AR15 gonna do against a bradley tank or f16? There goes that idea. It isnt aimed at stopping mass shooting. Nothing will stop mass shooting it is making it harder for the wrong people to get their hands on weapons that can do damage not intended for self defense. Yes will bad people still get their hand on this stuff. Initially yes but after a while thier supply will dry up. Just ask Ronald Reagan

“While we recognize that assault weapon legislation will not stop all assault weapon crime, statistics prove that we can dry up the supply of these guns, making them less accessible to criminals. We urge you to listen to the American public and to the law enforcement community and support a ban on the further manufacture of these weapons.”

-Ronald Reagan
(1994 letter to congressmen urging them to vote yes on an assualt weapon ban)

What's my 7 shot semi auto pistol going to do against the governments AR - 15 rifles?
The tank idea holds NO merit. There are not enough tanks by the government to patrol this entire nation but there are enough government AR 15's to patrol it. Now, the citizens are up against them with their 7 shot pistols.

Wasnt aware you lived in NY. As the president is offering up a 10 shot mag max. But either way you cant stop a military with tanks and F16's, battleships, cruise missles.Please dont bring up the Militia comment as in todays world it doesnt matter. Is the thought scary your damn right it is. Luckily we have check and balances put in place to dis allow this from happening.This isnt the 1700's where we all have muskets and could actually fend off the government. Until the US allows private citizens to own nuclear weapons te militia comment is uneducated at best.

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Forgive my ignorance, but what is a PPP and CHP. My first thought is that a CHP is Concealed Handgun Permit. But I have no clue on PPP.

As mentioned PPP is Pistol Purchase Permit and CHP is Concealed Handgun Permit.

One or the other is required to buy a pistol in the state of NC. PPP costs $5 is aquired by going to the local Sheriff's office, filing out paperwork, then waiting a few days for them to run the background check, then you come and pick it up. A PPP is required per handung purchase.

CHP serves as an unlimited PPP. But it requires the class, $95, fingerprinting, background check, and $85 renewal every 5 years.

Watauga sheriffs office is quick. I got my PPP the same day but I think it was 10$ per permit?

[AppGrad1]

Will the "assault" weapons ban curb ANY mass shootings? They are used in less than 1 percent of shootings. If the pres wants to do something why not do something that will work??? This is nothing but political BS to look like he is doing something. Do you actually think this will work? lol
How can people not see that if this "assault" weapon was not there that the crazed boy in Newtown would have used a couple pistols with several magazines and would have been able to conceal them without being noticed.

[biggie]

Watauga sheriffs office is quick. I got my PPP the same day but I think it was 10$ per permit?

Hadn't heard they went up, but some places seem to add fees to them occasionally as well. Same with the CHP, some charge for the fingerprinting or retreiving your medical records.

Most places down this way are so busy the PPP usually takes 3-5 days, if not more.

[ASUPATCH]

Will the "assault" weapons ban curb ANY mass shootings? They are used in less than 1 percent of shootings. If the pres wants to do something why not do something that will work??? This is nothing but political BS to look like he is doing something. Do you actually think this will work? lol
How can people not see that if this "assault" weapon was not there that the crazed boy in Newtown would have used a couple pistols with several magazines and would have been able to conceal them without being noticed.

You completely contradict yourself in the first sentence. Will the assualt weapons ban currb mass shooting. Then you bing up a stat for all shooting? How about how disproportionatly Assault weapons or high cap mags are used in mass shooting? If the Newtown kid had lower power weapon with more reloading time it could have saved multiple lives. Its easy math. More powerful gun+ammo with fewer reloads equals more deaths. Lets see.....Newton, Aurora, Fort Hood all used either AR's with high cap mags or in the fort hood instance 20-30 mags on hand guns. Luckily the VT kids didn purchase high cap mags or that could have been even worse. Less reloading means less oportunity to defend onesself wether it be with or without a gun.

[ASUPATCH]

Will the "assault" weapons ban curb ANY mass shootings? They are used in less than 1 percent of shootings. If the pres wants to do something why not do something that will work??? This is nothing but political BS to look like he is doing something. Do you actually think this will work? lol
How can people not see that if this "assault" weapon was not there that the crazed boy in Newtown would have used a couple pistols with several magazines and would have been able to conceal them without being noticed.

There have been 62 "mass" (4 murders in a single event) shootings in the last 30 years. Weapons recoverd from thoose shooting included 35 assault weapons. So of the 62 mass shooting more than half included some form of assault weapon. This doesnt included pistols with high cap mags like Fort Hood. So will it curb mass shooting? Doubtful although numbers show it is a main weapon of choice. Will it make such shootings less deadly? Of course.

And as far as the bad people will still get the guns if they are outlawed. 75% of the guns used in theses shooting were obtained leagally. It not past criminals circumventing the system doing this. We are legally selling guns to 75% of these psychos.

[appbio91]

Everyone is"assuming" the concealed carry person would kill innocent people? I can show many situations where they did shoot and kill the bad guy.

More guns is just not the answer in my opinion. I hate to think that my kid needs to be surrounded by guns at school to be safe.

Nothing is going to fix this problem overnight. The toothpaste is out of the tube. But most reasonable people agree assault weapons ban and magazine size restrictions are a start. Keep in mind this will only affect you and I, in other words legal purchases. Criminals will find a way. But over time hopefully a ban would make a difference. After all the aurora and newtown incidents were carried out with legally purchased guns.

I know this is going off in a different angle but the 2nd Amendment was written so that the people could protect themselves against the government if needed. You don't have to like it or may think it's silly but that is exactly what it was written for. If the government restricts it's people to small arms and the government has "auto" rifles then we have a problem. If is against the Constitution for the government to take away these rights. Period.
We can go off on a tangent about the government having tanks etc, but at least the people has "semi equal" weapons in these rifles. If anyone thinks mass shootings will stop or slow down with this bill they are fooling themselves. The world we live in is getting crazier every day and will continue to do so until then end of time. No laws will ever stop the evilness in this world...

Whats your AR15 gonna do against a bradley tank or f16? There goes that idea. It isnt aimed at stopping mass shooting. Nothing will stop mass shooting it is making it harder for the wrong people to get their hands on weapons that can do damage not intended for self defense. Yes will bad people still get their hand on this stuff. Initially yes but after a while thier supply will dry up. Just ask Ronald Reagan

“While we recognize that assault weapon legislation will not stop all assault weapon crime, statistics prove that we can dry up the supply of these guns, making them less accessible to criminals. We urge you to listen to the American public and to the law enforcement community and support a ban on the further manufacture of these weapons.”

-Ronald Reagan
(1994 letter to congressmen urging them to vote yes on an assualt weapon ban)

What's my 7 shot semi auto pistol going to do against the governments AR - 15 rifles?
The tank idea holds NO merit. There are not enough tanks by the government to patrol this entire nation but there are enough government AR 15's to patrol it. Now, the citizens are up against them with their 7 shot pistols.

I have an uncle who has the same opinions you have expressed in this thread. We call him crazy uncle Ned.
This crap is just a distraction. Maybe you need to try it out on a Tea Party blog.

[AppGrad1]

Will the "assault" weapons ban curb ANY mass shootings? They are used in less than 1 percent of shootings. If the pres wants to do something why not do something that will work??? This is nothing but political BS to look like he is doing something. Do you actually think this will work? lol
How can people not see that if this "assault" weapon was not there that the crazed boy in Newtown would have used a couple pistols with several magazines and would have been able to conceal them without being noticed.

You completely contradict yourself in the first sentence. Will the assualt weapons ban currb mass shooting. Then you bing up a stat for all shooting? How about how disproportionatly Assault weapons or high cap mags are used in mass shooting? If the Newtown kid had lower power weapon with more reloading time it could have saved multiple lives. Its easy math. More powerful gun+ammo with fewer reloads equals more deaths. Lets see.....Newton, Aurora, Fort Hood all used either AR's with high cap mags or in the fort hood instance 20-30 mags on hand guns. Luckily the VT kids didn purchase high cap mags or that could have been even worse. Less reloading means less oportunity to defend onesself wether it be with or without a gun.

You must not shoot very much. When you say "reloading," just how long do you think it takes to stick another magazine in a pistol?
We do not have a rifle problem in gun violence. If anything it is a handgun issue (even though I don't believe it is a gun issue at all).
More powerful guns? Are you saying more powerful guns at point blank range kills better than less powerful guns at point blank range? You are the one that contradicts yourself?
You are also saying the VT kid luckily didn't have high cap mags. He didn't need them! It's just as easy to change mags in about 2 seconds. He did the exact same thing with less powerful (you said it yourself) guns with smaller mags....

[AppGrad1]

Thanks for the name calling. Nice having an adult debate without elementary school name calling... Any person who differs from your point of view is "crazy" I guess. Oh well.

[AppGrad1]

There have been 62 "mass" (4 murders in a single event) shootings in the last 30 years. Weapons recoverd from thoose shooting included 35 assault weapons. So of the 62 mass shooting more than half included some form of assault weapon. This doesnt included pistols with high cap mags like Fort Hood. So will it curb mass shooting? Doubtful although numbers show it is a main weapon of choice. Will it make such shootings less deadly? Of course.

And as far as the bad people will still get the guns if they are outlawed. 75% of the guns used in theses shooting were obtained leagally. It not past criminals circumventing the system doing this. We are legally selling guns to 75% of these psychos.[/quote]

Question? How many of those mass shootings were in "Gun Free Zones"?