Old Watauga High School development article

[Kgfish]

Let me clarify: when I say "socially conservative religious extremists"

As opposed to socially liberal extremists who would not be opposed to Boone becoming a modern day Sodom and Gomorrah. One has to keep the other in check.

[RankinApp]

I hope everyone that continues to turn these threads political and keeps them floating to the top of the recent topics list dies a most horrible death. That is all.

[Kgfish]

I find the liberal reaction really, really disturbing.

I am a libertarian.

Do you know what a libertarian is?

Libertarian values do not translate well at all to liberal values. They are against taxes, for very small limited government, and individual rights. So a libertarian would not, for instance, find it easy to vote for a President like barack obama.

Ka Ching!

[Kgfish]

I hope everyone that continues to turn these threads political and keeps them floating to the top of the recent topics list dies a most horrible death. That is all.

What a boring place this would be.....

[Gonzo]

I find the liberal reaction really, really disturbing.

I am a libertarian.

Do you know what a libertarian is?

Libertarian values do not translate well at all to liberal values. They are against taxes, for very small limited government, and individual rights. So a libertarian would not, for instance, find it easy to vote for a President like barack obama.

Considering I'm starting school for a JD this fall and the fact that I've been knowledgeably voting in every minor election since the day I turned 18, I don't need you to explain the ins and outs of my personal political philosophy, thanks.

You're right on with you description of libertarianism, though. As in I think people should have the right to be as loud as they want within reason after 10 pm and developers should have the right to construct housing for whatever demographic can make then the most money. If you applied the definition to my views on the topic at hand as they've been expressed in this thread, you'll find they fall well within that of a standard libertarian.

Again, please don't get bogged down with the same old partisan garbage. It doesn't work when talking to someone that operates well outside of the mainstream political spectrum. Just because someone is anti-social conservative does not make them Nancy Pelosi. I voted for Gary Johnson.

[GlassOnion]

Considering I'm starting school for a JD this fall and the fact that I've been knowledgeably voting in every minor election since the day I turned 18, I don't need you to explain the ins and outs of my personal political philosophy, thanks.

You're right on with you description of libertarianism, though. As in I think people should have the right to be as loud as they want within reason after 10 pm and developers should have the right to construct housing for whatever demographic can make then the most money. If you applied you definition to my views on the topic at hand, you'll find they fall well within that of a standard libertarian.

Again, please don't get bogged down with the same old partisan garbage. It doesn't work when talking to someone that operates well outside of the mainstream political spectrum.

I'll tell you what. I am your classic libertarian. And my views, were so completely different from the people of Boone, from the ASU professors, and from the majority of the student population, that I wasnt comfortable even speaking in class. And I am not your social conservative. Not even close.

The quickness and vitriol with which you jumped to the conclusion that it must be some conservative alliance that the town of Boone is under, really disturbs me. The town of Boone is not run by conservatives, social or any other. I have my doubts if it ever has been, or ever will be.

[Gonzo]

Considering I'm starting school for a JD this fall and the fact that I've been knowledgeably voting in every minor election since the day I turned 18, I don't need you to explain the ins and outs of my personal political philosophy, thanks.

You're right on with you description of libertarianism, though. As in I think people should have the right to be as loud as they want within reason after 10 pm and developers should have the right to construct housing for whatever demographic can make then the most money. If you applied you definition to my views on the topic at hand, you'll find they fall well within that of a standard libertarian.

Again, please don't get bogged down with the same old partisan garbage. It doesn't work when talking to someone that operates well outside of the mainstream political spectrum.

I'll tell you what. I am your classic libertarian. And my views, were so completely different from the people of Boone, from the ASU professors, and from the majority of the student population, that I wasnt comfortable even speaking in class. And I am not your social conservative. Not even close.

The quickness and vitriol with which you jumped to the conclusion that it must be some conservative action that the town of Boone took, really disturbs me. The town of Boone is not run by conservatives, social or any other. I have my doubts if it ever has been, or ever will be.

The city votes blue, but the social conservatism is VERY prominent (what your teachers at App had to say has little bearing on the norms of the local population, as they are a very small subgroup of Boone locals). We're talking about the most over policed area in North Carolina. You have BoPo, Watauga sheriff, ASU PD, State Troupers, ALE and DEA, all in a town of 30,000 people.

They passed the noise ordinance to throw a stick in the spokes of the nighlife for ASU students and they're restricting student housing expansion because they don't want more students here, plain and simple. These people are voting in a way that classifies them as socially conservative. I don't care about their views on marriage equality or abortion.

[appst89]

Just reading the so-called rationale behind the decision, it smacks much more of social engineering than social conservatism to me.

[GlassOnion]

The city votes blue, but the social conservatism is VERY prominent (what your teachers at App had to say has little bearing on the norms of the local population, as they are a very small subgroup of Boone locals). We're talking about the most over policed area in North Carolina. You have BoPo, Watauga sheriff, ASU PD, State Troupers, ALE and DEA, all in a town of 30,000 people.

They passed the noise ordinance to throw a stick in the nighlife for ASU students and they're restricting student housing expansion because they don't want more students here, plain and simple. These people are voting in away that classifies them as socially conservative. I don't care about their views on marriage equality or abortion.

You see conservative raining down on you, I see liberal and moderates in Boone, that want to sleep at 10 pm so the can go to work at 6 am. I see townspeople that have to deal with 10000 extra cars on their way home, on roads that had met their match in the 70s, doing what they can to limit the growth of App. (which the state gives them no voice in) so that they dont have to deal with 20,000 cars on their way home, to get to bed by 10, and be at work at 6, and have at least a few hours with their families.

and no I dont like it. Libertarians are by definition independant, and economically conservative. I am against big government, because it big government that supposedly acts in the interest of the masses by restricting the rights of individuals, ( like say, building the kind of building they want on their own land) and using the individuals own tax money to limit his/hers rights.

[Gonzo]

The city votes blue, but the social conservatism is VERY prominent (what your teachers at App had to say has little bearing on the norms of the local population, as they are a very small subgroup of Boone locals). We're talking about the most over policed area in North Carolina. You have BoPo, Watauga sheriff, ASU PD, State Troupers, ALE and DEA, all in a town of 30,000 people.

They passed the noise ordinance to throw a stick in the nighlife for ASU students and they're restricting student housing expansion because they don't want more students here, plain and simple. These people are voting in away that classifies them as socially conservative. I don't care about their views on marriage equality or abortion.

You see conservative raining down on you, I see liberal and moderates in Boone, that want to sleep at 10 pm so the can go to work at 6 am. I see townspeople that have to deal with 10000 extra cars on their way home, on roads that had met their match in the 70s, doing what they can to limit the growth of App. (which the state gives them no voice in) so that they dont have to deal with 20,000 cars on their way home, to get to bed by 10, and be at work at 6, and have at least a few hours with their families.

This is why our country is going down the crapper. ASU is there to educate. Fun is a byproduct. Yet the reverse is happening. You've got 5,000 people there, on government grants or loans, to hopefully get a degree and contribute to society, but most importantly of all, to have a good time.

Which is why I am a libertarian BTW. Because big government does exactly what Boone is doing. Using the power of masses to restrict the individual rights, to tell you what you can or cant do on your own property, and using your own tax dollars to do it.

Since this is an ASU message board, I was operating on the assumption that people here would be concerned with what is best for Appalachian State over the native inhabitants of the town.

[MountainMan]

There is too much overlap to easily separate into two different groups. It's not that clear cut.

[GlassOnion]

Since this is an ASU message board, I was operating on the assumption that people here would be concerned with what is best for Appalachian State over the native inhabitants of the town.

I think you assume too much. I dont have a problem with them having that opinion, I have a problem with them legislating their opinion.

And we're getting off point anyway. The point was that the paranoid assumption that some ultra conservative Boone council is out to get everyone is completely imaginary, as they arent conservative, and they are also not out to get everyone.

[AtlAppMan]

"The goal is to create housing for regular working class people like teachers and police officers."

How many teachers and police are employed in Boone and would they all want to live together in this residential development? I would venture to say that most locals want a bit of distance from The University just to get some away time. If I lived in Boone permanently I would prefer to live away from close proximity to ASU campus.

[goapps93]

Correct me if I'm wrong (I hope I am) but from what I can gather from posts here libertarians stand for personal freedoms but evidentally without concern for those of their neighbors. They want to be able to be as loud as they want after 10 PM even if it's bothersome to their neighbors. I guess maybe that's why government has to inact ordinances to keep selfish libertarians from ruining the lives of others around them.

The town needs to, and probably does, understand that the University has certain cultural needs and likewise, the University and it's students need to understand that the town has it's own cutural needs. Many college students will have trouble understanding this because they think the world revolves around them.

[8993]

Here's my say in this:

Yes, Appalachian State is in Boone, so the University must respect its boundaries, but Boone seems to have been taking stab after stab at the school by coming up with more ordinances to limit its growth. Appalachian State is a growing school, receiving as many applications as NC State, UNCW, and ECU do, but with these ordinances, growth will be stunned.

Maybe that's what Boone wants though. Yes, the roads are overcrowded, but who overcrowds those roads throughout the week? Yes, students do play a part in that, but it is not solely the students. If you want to create a town where it is still "small-town America," then you need to stop the growth of Boone, not the university. Say what you will about Appalachian State and the students, but it has done nothing but benefit Boone as a whole, making it a destination for people to visit year round. I understand that people do have to wake up and go to work tomorrow, but does creating more ordinances so student housing cannot be built do that? I don't think so. Affordable housing might be a must-need for Boone citizens, but if you continue to push people away from the school by halting its growth, you won't have the same amount of people wanting to live here.

Let's also remember that many Boone citizens are also Appalachian State alumni. If Boone had tried to do this when you were still in school, would you feel like the town is trying to push you away as well? Appalachian State will continue to grow, with or without the permission of Boone, but it'd be much better if there was not a quarrel between the two over how loud students are and where they are allowed to live.

[fjblair]

Let me clarify: when I say "socially conservative religious extremists," I'm not talking Romney voters, I'm talking folks that are strongly against college parties, college bars, mildly loud music, premarital fornication, "sin" and everything else that remotely characterizes a college town.

Well your clarification is of no help to your misguided argument. You do not know what you are talking about as far as the town of Boone leadership and politics. The town administration is socially liberal and your religious extremism theory is sheer fantasy. Furthermore the town is not anti ASU, it's just anti uncontrolled development. Unfortunately the leadership is incompetent and heavy handed.

[GlassOnion]

Correct me if I'm wrong (I hope I am) but from what I can gather from posts here libertarians stand for personal freedoms but evidentally without concern for those of their neighbors. They want to be able to be as loud as they want after 10 PM even if it's bothersome to their neighbors. I guess maybe that's why government has to inact ordinances to keep selfish libertarians from ruining the lives of others around them.

The town needs to, and probably does, understand that the University has certain cultural needs and likewise, the University and it's students need to understand that the town has it's own cutural needs. Many college students will have trouble understanding this because they think the world revolves around them.

Youre wrong, so I'll correct you.

There is one person here, that Im aware of, arguing against the noise ordinance.

Everyone else, including me, it seems, are arguing that the Boone council should not be telling people how many rooms they must have, in what floor plan, with such and such amount of storage space, and so on and so forth, on their own property.

Libertarians believe our rights end, where anothers' rights begin. Im not here to speak for anyone else that calls themselves a libertarian, but to my understanding, thats pretty much what makes one.

[AppinVA]

Correct me if I'm wrong (I hope I am) but from what I can gather from posts here libertarians stand for personal freedoms but evidentally without concern for those of their neighbors. They want to be able to be as loud as they want after 10 PM even if it's bothersome to their neighbors. I guess maybe that's why government has to inact ordinances to keep selfish libertarians from ruining the lives of others around them.

The town needs to, and probably does, understand that the University has certain cultural needs and likewise, the University and it's students need to understand that the town has it's own cutural needs. Many college students will have trouble understanding this because they think the world revolves around them.

Youre wrong, so I'll correct you.

There is one person here, that Im aware of, arguing against the noise ordinance.

Everyone else, including me, it seems, are arguing that the Boone council should not be telling people how many rooms they must have, in what floor plan, with such and such amount of storage space, and so on and so forth, on their own property.

Libertarians believe our rights end, where anothers' rights begin. Im not here to speak for anyone else that calls themselves a libertarian, but to my understanding, thats pretty much what makes one.

Exactly. My rights end at someone else's nose (or in the case of the noise ordinance, ears). I doubt there are many libritarians or conservatives on the Boone Town Council. A bunch of social engineers? Yes, unfortunately.

[asu66]

The biggest draw back ASU faces as far as location goes isn't being isolated or having no airport ect, it's dealing with an indigenous population of social conservative religious extremists that want nothing but to hamper the school's growth at every turn. It doesn't matter that the area's economy is driven by students (I work in the tourism industry up here and I'm sorry but there is no way this infrastructure could survive as it is solely off of $ from tourism). The students never get out and vote consistantly enough to shut down all the hillbilly legislations. RIDICULOUS noise ordinances and now a moratorium on student housing are just recent examples.

Some of us need to get you enrolled in an online PoliSci 2130 State and Local Government course right away. Your concerns are not completely without merit; but you could use some help with how the world turns and who's turning it in Boone and Watauga Co.

[WataugaMan]

"indigenous population of social conservative religious extremists"

Dayum, that's what I am, I would have never known. Now I can tell all my DC friends I'm of an indigenous people. Maybe I can start receiving preference when applying for jobs now.