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Unread post by Maddog1956 » Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:29 pm

NewApp wrote:No matter who is partially or totally at fault, this rings tragic for all professional sports, not just the NBA.
The one bright spot is that Sterling has almost no defenders. Even most of your strongest conservative are not defending him. He wasn't just kicked under the bus, but thrown head first. :lol:
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Unread post by appdaze » Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:09 pm

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10857 ... ur-culture


"In our zeal to appear righteous or courageous or free of bigotry, a ratings-pleasing mob hell-bent on revenge turned Donald T. Sterling -- a victim of privacy invasion and white supremacy -- from villain to martyr.

In a society filled with impurities, the owner of the Los Angeles Clippers committed the crime of speaking impure thoughts in the privacy of a duplex he apparently provided for his mistress. And now an angry, agenda-fueled mob provoked NBA commissioner Adam Silver into handing Sterling a basketball death sentence.
When private conversations become public, it's important to react with logic and not emotion.
On Tuesday, just 72 hours after the release of Sterling's Pillow Talk Tapes by TMZ, a rookie commissioner imposed a lifetime ban on a flawed man whose rights were violated.
Mob rule is dangerous. Well-intentioned, TV-baited mobs are the most dangerous. They do not consider the consequences of their actions, and they're prone to take a simple-minded, instant-gratification approach to justice rather than a strategic one.
Removing Donald Sterling from the NBA solves nothing. It sets a precedent that will likely boomerang and harm the black players and coaches who are shocked and outraged that an 80-year-old man with a documented history of bigoted actions also has bigoted private thoughts.

A right to privacy is at the very foundation of American freedoms. It's a core value. It's a mistake to undermine a core value because we don't like the way a billionaire exercises it. "




This whole article hits the nail on the head. I agree.

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Unread post by wataugan03 » Wed Apr 30, 2014 1:01 am

Everyone is calling Sterling a racist, and I can see that. But, more than that he strikes me as a coward. He talks about how he can't be closely associated with a person who associates with black people. About how they can't be brought in to sit courtside. And he says he can't do it because the culture he lives in (the very wealthy culture) can't accept that. You've got a billionare who says he can't stand up to a culture of racism because its too rampant. And this is a guy who donates serious money to the NAACP. You've really got to wonder about the people he is afraid of offending. And suddenly it starts to make sense why we see so few black people working in top positions of companies, of government, of academia, in the senate, or why Obama can't get a vote from a white male over the age of 50 to save his life . . . you certainly begin to understand why there are so few black head coaches in football and basketball. It starts to look less like institutionalized racism and more like intentional rampant racism from those at the top of the food chain. Post-racial society my ass . . .

In that sense it might be true that getting rid of Sterling accomplishes little. He's more a coward than a primary perpetrator. Though I think this article hits the nail a little better than the article above http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-o ... -sterling/

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Unread post by asu1978 » Wed Apr 30, 2014 6:01 am

The latest word is that he going to fight the ruling,YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID!!! :roll:

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appdaze wrote:Its a good penalty but at the same time Sterling is 81 years old. A life ban doesn't really hit him as hard. 2.5 million dollar ban? This dude uses million dollar bills as toilet paper. So not exactly hurting him much. As far as forcing him to sell his team I agree with Cuban that is a slippery slope. He bought the team and it is his investment. It would make more sense to kick the team he owns out of the league and allow the players from that team to sign as free agents if they choose to leave his team. BUT forcing someone to sell their business because of a racist comment is pushing the limits a bit.
Thank you, being an idiot racist is not against the law. I have a problem with this and I am a really liberal guy. This is a situation that society should be able to handle. If it is a problem fans should speak by not buying tickets or apparel. The franchise would start losing money and the billionaire racist would bail. The path chosen is the easy way out and is a sign of the times we live in. Again, this dude is scum and in the end I don't feel sorry for him but the former governor of Texas had ranch named N head, where's the outrage? The supreme court struck down the voting rights act and a key piece of affirmative action law recently. Where's the outrage? This idiot owns a basketball team and ultimately is NOBODY! Yet society reacts violently because he does not want his black mistress to hang out with black people. WHO CARES.
appbio91 - I do agree with most of what you say - however - this is somewhat of a unique situation - these owners are elitists similar to a high-brow country club who decide who is voted IN and who is voted OUT - And at this point he hasn't been forced to sell his team - I agree that this is NOT to the level of some real discrimination/racism concerns in this country!!! - the voting rights is just one blatant attack on minorities and underprivileged. Of course, with Sterling, it's more than just owning a basketball team - he has had the DOJ on his butt for "slum-lord" activities, etc. - One down, many more to go!!!
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wataugan03 says --- "or why Obama can't get a vote from a white male over the age of 50 to save his life . . ."

I'm here to say - I'm an over 50 white male and proudly voted for President Obama TWICE !!!
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Unread post by appbio91 » Wed Apr 30, 2014 7:58 am

WVAPPeer wrote:wataugan03 says --- "or why Obama can't get a vote from a white male over the age of 50 to save his life . . ."

I'm here to say - I'm an over 50 white male and proudly voted for President Obama TWICE !!!
Gettin' close and he got two from me as well.

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appdaze wrote:Its a good penalty but at the same time Sterling is 81 years old. A life ban doesn't really hit him as hard. 2.5 million dollar ban? This dude uses million dollar bills as toilet paper. So not exactly hurting him much. As far as forcing him to sell his team I agree with Cuban that is a slippery slope. He bought the team and it is his investment. It would make more sense to kick the team he owns out of the league and allow the players from that team to sign as free agents if they choose to leave his team. BUT forcing someone to sell their business because of a racist comment is pushing the limits a bit.
Thank you, being an idiot racist is not against the law. I have a problem with this and I am a really liberal guy. This is a situation that society should be able to handle. If it is a problem fans should speak by not buying tickets or apparel. The franchise would start losing money and the billionaire racist would bail. The path chosen is the easy way out and is a sign of the times we live in. Again, this dude is scum and in the end I don't feel sorry for him but the former governor of Texas had ranch named N head, where's the outrage? The supreme court struck down the voting rights act and a key piece of affirmative action law recently. Where's the outrage? This idiot owns a basketball team and ultimately is NOBODY! Yet society reacts violently because he does not want his black mistress to hang out with black people. WHO CARES.
I think this shows what people value more. People value sport (see: entertainment) more than politics/governing. That's where the real problem resides.
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Unread post by Gonzo » Wed Apr 30, 2014 8:02 am

I'm a mid-20's "hippy" and I voted for McCain and Gary Johnson. :D

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appdaze wrote:http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10857 ... ur-culture


"In our zeal to appear righteous or courageous or free of bigotry, a ratings-pleasing mob hell-bent on revenge turned Donald T. Sterling -- a victim of privacy invasion and white supremacy -- from villain to martyr.

In a society filled with impurities, the owner of the Los Angeles Clippers committed the crime of speaking impure thoughts in the privacy of a duplex he apparently provided for his mistress. And now an angry, agenda-fueled mob provoked NBA commissioner Adam Silver into handing Sterling a basketball death sentence.
When private conversations become public, it's important to react with logic and not emotion.
On Tuesday, just 72 hours after the release of Sterling's Pillow Talk Tapes by TMZ, a rookie commissioner imposed a lifetime ban on a flawed man whose rights were violated.
Mob rule is dangerous. Well-intentioned, TV-baited mobs are the most dangerous. They do not consider the consequences of their actions, and they're prone to take a simple-minded, instant-gratification approach to justice rather than a strategic one.
Removing Donald Sterling from the NBA solves nothing. It sets a precedent that will likely boomerang and harm the black players and coaches who are shocked and outraged that an 80-year-old man with a documented history of bigoted actions also has bigoted private thoughts.

A right to privacy is at the very foundation of American freedoms. It's a core value. It's a mistake to undermine a core value because we don't like the way a billionaire exercises it. "


This whole article hits the nail on the head. I agree.
He gave up his right to privacy when he shared his thoughts with someone else. If you call my phone and leave a message or talk to me in person (etc) I have every right to share what you said to me with anyone I wish. Even your own home, to your main squeeze you have no right to expect them to repeat. sell or anything you say to them. We forget that his "girlfriend" rights to free speech become before his rights to privacy.

angry, agenda-fueled mob provoked NBA commissioner Adam Silver into handing Sterling a basketball death sentence is this the crowd of Billionaire owners, players or fans? Remember the Commissioner has one job... to carry out the owners wishes and desires that hopefully makes the NBA profitable. Most everyone seems very satisfied with the decision so in this at least it seems he as done an excellent job.

It's funny how everyone is worried about the rights of a owner, but I didn't see the outrage when the Lakers had a deal with Chris Paul and the commissioner made him go to the Clippers instead. Who was screaming for his "rights"? Where was his rights when he was told that you can't pick you job like everyone else in the country, but you have to go to work for this know racist so that his team will be successful and hopefully make him more money.

bigoted private thoughts private thoughts are ones kept to yourself, once they are told to someone else they are no longer private.

It sets a precedent - it sets a precedent that if you are a racist, act like a racist or even sound like one ... most people in this country will not accept it any longer. Even Rush said that the fast reaction by "everyone" proves that the US isn't racist. I wouldn't go that far but it does prove a point.
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Unread post by appdaze » Wed Apr 30, 2014 8:05 am

This will all end up going to court because if I am not mistaken California is one of the few states that has a 2 party consent law on being recorded and I doubt he gave consent. I'm not sure they are going to have the legal grounds to really follow through with some of this stuff. She seemed to bait him during the conversation they had. This is going to lead to some bad precedents as everyone will be on the hot seat any time they make comments. What about Lebron and his Tayvon Martin comments? Should he be kicked out of the league? Any comments they make now players or owners are going to be criticized to another level if they follow through with this. The media raising pitchforks for the mob rule is a dangerous situation.

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"I think this shows what people value more. People value sport (see: entertainment) more than politics/governing. That's where the real problem resides."

I do believe you are right on this and because of that it feeds social media, 24 hour news/sports TV and sports talk radio ---
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Unread post by ASUMountaineer » Wed Apr 30, 2014 8:09 am

Gonzo wrote:I'm a mid-20's "hippy" and I voted for McCain and Gary Johnson. :D
I'm a early 30's RAH-RAH fan, and I voted for Bob Barr and Gary Johnson. Fiscally conservative and socially liberal...giddy up! :lol:
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wataugan03 wrote:Everyone is calling Sterling a racist, and I can see that. But, more than that he strikes me as a coward. He talks about how he can't be closely associated with a person who associates with black people. About how they can't be brought in to sit courtside. And he says he can't do it because the culture he lives in (the very wealthy culture) can't accept that. You've got a billionare who says he can't stand up to a culture of racism because its too rampant. And this is a guy who donates serious money to the NAACP. You've really got to wonder about the people he is afraid of offending. And suddenly it starts to make sense why we see so few black people working in top positions of companies, of government, of academia, in the senate, or why Obama can't get a vote from a white male over the age of 50 to save his life . . . you certainly begin to understand why there are so few black head coaches in football and basketball. It starts to look less like institutionalized racism and more like intentional rampant racism from those at the top of the food chain. Post-racial society my ass . . .

In that sense it might be true that getting rid of Sterling accomplishes little. He's more a coward than a primary perpetrator. Though I think this article hits the nail a little better than the article above http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-o ... -sterling/
The people that you speak of have one underlying thing in common--they're old and only getting older. In another 30-40 years, those people that you speak of will be dead and no longer in power. If nothing else, such views will be, for lack of a better term, bred out as younger people age and move into positions of power. At least, that's my hope!
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Inside ASU wrote:I just wonder if Larry Johnson's (LJ) comments about forming an All Black League will receive any scrutiny from the NBA?

Isnt that essentially what the NBA is already. Not sure you need a new league for it. Like saying your going to start and all Caucasian NASCAR or NHL.
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ASUPATCH wrote:
Inside ASU wrote:I just wonder if Larry Johnson's (LJ) comments about forming an All Black League will receive any scrutiny from the NBA?

Isnt that essentially what the NBA is already. Not sure you need a new league for it. Like saying your going to start and all Caucasian NASCAR or NHL.
Well there is one difference. Heads would roll for the latter. Nothing will happen to Larry Johnson.

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ASUMountaineer wrote:
wataugan03 wrote:Everyone is calling Sterling a racist, and I can see that. But, more than that he strikes me as a coward. He talks about how he can't be closely associated with a person who associates with black people. About how they can't be brought in to sit courtside. And he says he can't do it because the culture he lives in (the very wealthy culture) can't accept that. You've got a billionare who says he can't stand up to a culture of racism because its too rampant. And this is a guy who donates serious money to the NAACP. You've really got to wonder about the people he is afraid of offending. And suddenly it starts to make sense why we see so few black people working in top positions of companies, of government, of academia, in the senate, or why Obama can't get a vote from a white male over the age of 50 to save his life . . . you certainly begin to understand why there are so few black head coaches in football and basketball. It starts to look less like institutionalized racism and more like intentional rampant racism from those at the top of the food chain. Post-racial society my ass . . .

In that sense it might be true that getting rid of Sterling accomplishes little. He's more a coward than a primary perpetrator. Though I think this article hits the nail a little better than the article above http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-o ... -sterling/
The people that you speak of have one underlying thing in common--they're old and only getting older. In another 30-40 years, those people that you speak of will be dead and no longer in power. If nothing else, such views will be, for lack of a better term, bred out as younger people age and move into positions of power. At least, that's my hope!
Yes, thankfully, a lot of the older white folks with the racist feelings are slowly, but surely, purging society. Sadly, no one is doing anything about the hate that is continuously being taught to today's young black population.

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ASUMountaineer wrote:
wataugan03 wrote:Everyone is calling Sterling a racist, and I can see that. But, more than that he strikes me as a coward. He talks about how he can't be closely associated with a person who associates with black people. About how they can't be brought in to sit courtside. And he says he can't do it because the culture he lives in (the very wealthy culture) can't accept that. You've got a billionare who says he can't stand up to a culture of racism because its too rampant. And this is a guy who donates serious money to the NAACP. You've really got to wonder about the people he is afraid of offending. And suddenly it starts to make sense why we see so few black people working in top positions of companies, of government, of academia, in the senate, or why Obama can't get a vote from a white male over the age of 50 to save his life . . . you certainly begin to understand why there are so few black head coaches in football and basketball. It starts to look less like institutionalized racism and more like intentional rampant racism from those at the top of the food chain. Post-racial society my ass . . .

In that sense it might be true that getting rid of Sterling accomplishes little. He's more a coward than a primary perpetrator. Though I think this article hits the nail a little better than the article above http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-o ... -sterling/
The people that you speak of have one underlying thing in common--they're old and only getting older. In another 30-40 years, those people that you speak of will be dead and no longer in power. If nothing else, such views will be, for lack of a better term, bred out as younger people age and move into positions of power. At least, that's my hope!
That's so true racism (and the shag,lol) will be bred out, most young people I know can't understand the concept.
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Yes, thankfully, a lot of the older white folks with the racist feelings are slowly, but surely, purging society. Sadly, no one is doing anything about the hate that is continuously being taught to today's young black population.
What hate is that? Has any young black man told his girl friend not to be seen with white people. If so the NBA should take their team away from them also. :lol:

I'm not sure what hate is being taught our black population, but to say that "no one" is doing anything about it is totally wrong. Most people I know that are against hate is against it and speak out against it in any form.
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Maddog1956 wrote:
ASUDieHard wrote:
Yes, thankfully, a lot of the older white folks with the racist feelings are slowly, but surely, purging society. Sadly, no one is doing anything about the hate that is continuously being taught to today's young black population.
What hate is that? Has any young black man told his girl friend not to be seen with white people. If so the NBA should take their team away from them also. :lol:

I'm not sure what hate is being taught our black population, but to say that "no one" is doing anything about it is totally wrong. Most people I know that are against hate is against it and speak out against it in any form.
Totally agree Maddog - it's not Gonzo's fault that he hasn't been on this earth long enough to understand what transpired 40,50,60 years ago and of course much further back than that --- to the above statement, my question is - who is continually teaching hate to today's young black population. More than ever, the African-American community has support and funding and leadership and real role models. All I hear is the community trying to continue to make sure education is valued, choices have consequences, opportunity is there - SO WHO IS TEACHING YOUNG BLACKS TO HATE???
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