Sterling Gets NBA "Death Penalty" Banned for Life

[Maddog1956]

The problem, apparently, is that you haven't suffered enough for the sins of your forefathers. It makes no difference to some here that you've never treated anyone differently. Somebody did back when, so you have to suffer for it. What you're being told is, "Know your place, boy." Kind of ironic, really, since that sort of thought is supposedly what they are railing against.

My point exactly. To some people, being made to take responsibility for their comments is equal to "know your place, boy". In this case mostly white owners didn't say "know your place", they said "you don't deserve to own a team in our league".

It's really not suffering for the sins of your forefathers as much as understanding that others did suffer from the sins of your forefathers and they certain don't want it to happen again.

People trying to defend this owners actions (punishment) are really laying down their own sins without any help from their forefathers.

For some reason I usually hear "I never treated anyone differently" and "I'm not a racist" before some form of racist comment.

I think he got what he deserved. I don't tolerate any sort of racism personally or professionally. But my lack of tolerance for it goes both ways, not just one direction.

I agree 100% racism is racism, hate is hate. If I have any exception it may be for it's use in an artist sense, only due to the fact that art should get people to think. It's a fine line. Kind of line porn.

[wataugan03]

So we're all 'up in arms' over a comment an old guy with a racist history said. This is what put us all in our own corners against each other? Both sides of whom consider racism to be abhorrent.

Sure, there's a crowd that remains racist (and it's not just in the South). But there's also a crowd that's 'in your face' about you not being un-racist enough. What is enough? I would be willing to bet that the majority of us don't discriminate against other races, or really anyone for that matter. So why are we so willing to allow the thoughts of one man to serve as proof that there's rampant racism alive and well at a massive social level?

In the conversation, Sterling continuously references "society," "culture," and "other people." He is saying that there are serious limits to how much you can associate with black people in his culture. Since his culture happens to be the group of people that run major American businesses and fund political campaigns that's a concern. And its easy to see how a group of people that only gained the right to vote (against fierce resistance) 50 years ago would recognize this as evidence that racism is alive and well - its just gone underground. And that's intentional racims . . . we're not even getting to unconscious biases or institutional disadvantages.

[Maddog1956]

The problem, apparently, is that you haven't suffered enough for the sins of your forefathers. It makes no difference to some here that you've never treated anyone differently. Somebody did back when, so you have to suffer for it. What you're being told is, "Know your place, boy." Kind of ironic, really, since that sort of thought is supposedly what they are railing against.

My point exactly. To some people, being made to take responsibility for their comments is equal to "know your place, boy". In this case mostly white owners didn't say "know your place", they said "you don't deserve to own a team in our league".

It's really not suffering for the sins of your forefathers as much as understanding that others did suffer from the sins of your forefathers and they certain don't want it to happen again.

People trying to defend this owners actions (punishment) are really laying down their own sins without any help from their forefathers.

For some reason I usually hear "I never treated anyone differently" and "I'm not a racist" before some form of racist comment.

Who's forefathers would that be. There are plenty of white people whose forefathers had nothing to do with it.

Anyone that accepted it and didn't speak against it had something to do with it. That's the same excuse most of the German people had after WWII, it turns out there wasn't any Nazi in Germany after all.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.
-Martin Niemöller

[Watauga72]

It's easy for Caucasian Americans to say that there is no longer racism in this country. We are not the targets, nor have we ever. We are not the subjects of profiling. Many of us were not alive when the Montgomery police unleashed dogs and water hoses on peaceful marchers looking for nothing more than the same rights granted to every white male in this country. Jesse Jackson and many of the older leaders not only remember, they lived through those experiences, so they have a legitimate reason to comment on both latent and systemic racial bias.

Sure, most of us can say that we don't discriminate....and we probably don't on a conscious level. However, you are only fooling yourself if you think racial hatred and discrimination does not still exist in this country.....on every side. Bringing it out in the open and discussing it is actually a healthy activity and, hopefully, will lead to further progress towards making us a truly free and open society.

Enough rambling...sorry.

[Maddog1956]

He's of the generation that thinks slaves were set free over 200 years ago so get over it. He doesn't realize that that until the late 60's blacks couldn't ... sit in the front of a bus, drink out of a fountain, eat at a lunch counter, stay in a hotel, join the army, etc, etc, etc unless there was a separate one for blacks. He's of the generation that may not know kids that their parents and grandparents had to "as a grown man" call a child "Mr." while the child called them by their first name.

#Whiteguilt

#Whitedenial

[Appftw]

I just wonder if Larry Johnson's (LJ) comments about forming an All Black League will receive any scrutiny from the NBA?

Isnt that essentially what the NBA is already. Not sure you need a new league for it. Like saying your going to start and all Caucasian NASCAR or NHL.

Well there is one difference. Heads would roll for the latter. Nothing will happen to Larry Johnson.

White racists are akin to pedophiles and serial killers. Black racists are mainstream.

You might get more sympathy for how persecuted you feel by all these "black racists" if racism wasn't as systemic as it STILL is in American society. Everything is hunky dory in race relations land for you, but why is that the most blighted areas of every city are almost always predominately black? It's because they have not been given a fair shot for a MULTITUDE of reasons. Your thin-skinned butthurt is kind of ridiculous.

[bcoach]

The problem, apparently, is that you haven't suffered enough for the sins of your forefathers. It makes no difference to some here that you've never treated anyone differently. Somebody did back when, so you have to suffer for it. What you're being told is, "Know your place, boy." Kind of ironic, really, since that sort of thought is supposedly what they are railing against.

My point exactly. To some people, being made to take responsibility for their comments is equal to "know your place, boy". In this case mostly white owners didn't say "know your place", they said "you don't deserve to own a team in our league".

It's really not suffering for the sins of your forefathers as much as understanding that others did suffer from the sins of your forefathers and they certain don't want it to happen again.

People trying to defend this owners actions (punishment) are really laying down their own sins without any help from their forefathers.

For some reason I usually hear "I never treated anyone differently" and "I'm not a racist" before some form of racist comment.

Who's forefathers would that be. There are plenty of white people whose forefathers had nothing to do with it.

Anyone that accepted it and didn't speak against it had something to do with it. That's the same excuse most of the German people had after WWII, it turns out there wasn't any Nazi in Germany after all.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.
-Martin Niemöller

That's not an excuse it is a fact. You are painting all with a wide brush. There were plenty of guilty but there were plenty who were not.
bcoach 2014

[Maddog1956]

The problem, apparently, is that you haven't suffered enough for the sins of your forefathers. It makes no difference to some here that you've never treated anyone differently. Somebody did back when, so you have to suffer for it. What you're being told is, "Know your place, boy." Kind of ironic, really, since that sort of thought is supposedly what they are railing against.

My point exactly. To some people, being made to take responsibility for their comments is equal to "know your place, boy". In this case mostly white owners didn't say "know your place", they said "you don't deserve to own a team in our league".

It's really not suffering for the sins of your forefathers as much as understanding that others did suffer from the sins of your forefathers and they certain don't want it to happen again.

People trying to defend this owners actions (punishment) are really laying down their own sins without any help from their forefathers.

For some reason I usually hear "I never treated anyone differently" and "I'm not a racist" before some form of racist comment.

Who's forefathers would that be. There are plenty of white people whose forefathers had nothing to do with it.

Anyone that accepted it and didn't speak against it had something to do with it. That's the same excuse most of the German people had after WWII, it turns out there wasn't any Nazi in Germany after all.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.
-Martin Niemöller

That's not an excuse it is a fact. You are painting all with a wide brush. There were plenty of guilty but there were plenty who were not.
bcoach 2014

If there are any people that feel their forefathers are totally guiltless of racism they are free to omit themselves from my comment.

However, here is the definition for how I used "forefather" in that statement, - a member of the past generations of one's family or people; an ancestor. Kind of like when we say our founding fathers it doesn't really mean that we are all related to Ole George himself.

[bcoach]

Thanks
I'll consider myself omitted under your definition.

[newtoasu]

Again, this dude is scum and in the end I don't feel sorry for him but the former governor of Texas had ranch named N head, where's the outrage?

Not quite former Governor. He is still the governor until after November's election.

He's also working on being your next President. He's changing his image; new glasses; no more cowboy boots, and a third thing I just can't remember right now...OOPS!

[Watauga72]

I just wonder if Larry Johnson's (LJ) comments about forming an All Black League will receive any scrutiny from the NBA?

Isnt that essentially what the NBA is already. Not sure you need a new league for it. Like saying your going to start and all Caucasian NASCAR or NHL.

Not sure what Larry meant by all black league, but assume he was including ownership. You won't find too many minorities among the ownership ranks in the NBA. Not that that is bad, just is what it is.

[Maddog1956]

Thanks
I'll consider myself omitted under your definition.

Whatever floats yer skirt!

[newtoasu]

wataugan03 says --- "or why Obama can't get a vote from a white male over the age of 50 to save his life . . ."

I'm here to say - I'm an over 50 white male and proudly voted for President Obama TWICE !!!

Ditto for me. I guess that makes me a "ditto head." Seems like some former prominent radio host used to use that phrase, but he's become so irrelevant that I can't remember who he is.

[Saint3333]

If there are any people that feel their forefathers are totally guiltless of racism they are free to omit themselves from my comment. :lol:

However, here is the definition for how I used "forefather" in that statement, - a member of the past generations of one's family or people; an ancestor. Kind of like when we say our founding fathers it doesn't really mean that we are all related to Ole George himself.

By your definition everyone has had slaves.

Every race at some point has enslaved others, so everyone's forefathers likely had slaves at some point. Some just more recent than others.

I will hold no judgment upon you for what your forefathers did, can you say the same?

[bcoach]

The real shame of this whole deal is the attention it has gotten versus the attention real problems get. Minority teenagers dropping out of school. Minority children, or any children going to bed hungry. Kids killing themselves on the streets of Chicago and other places. This same idiot denying housing to minorities. These are the kind of things that deserve this amount of coverage. What we get though is hurt feelings of millionaire athletes. Do they have feelings and should they feel hurt? You bet. Racism is wrong for all social levels. But where is the outrage for those that can't drive away from the stadium in a Bentley? Where is the outrage over kids beating and on a rare occasion killing each other to steal a pair of shoes because one of these millionaires endorses them. If those stories get any press at all it is long forgotten history 24 hrs later. That should be the fate of this story.

[bcoach]

Thanks
I'll consider myself omitted under your definition.

Whatever floats yer skirt!

It's not a skirt it is a kilt.

[WVAPPeer]

The real shame of this whole deal is the attention it has gotten versus the attention real problems get. Minority teenagers dropping out of school. Minority children, or any children going to bed hungry. Kids killing themselves on the streets of Chicago and other places. This same idiot denying housing to minorities. These are the kind of things that deserve this amount of coverage. What we get though is hurt feelings of millionaire athletes. Do they have feelings and should they feel hurt? You bet. Racism is wrong for all social levels. But where is the outrage for those that can't drive away from the stadium in a Bentley? Where is the outrage over kids beating and on a rare occasion killing each other to steal a pair of shoes because one of these millionaires endorses them. If those stories get any press at all it is long forgotten history 24 hrs later. That should be the fate of this story.

bcoach - you are exactly right on all accounts - there are much bigger problems of racism and discrimination in this country that must be addressed but a situation like this one brings it to the forefront of our nation - at least for a couple of days --- Anything that helps, big or small, is a move in the right direction ---

[TheMoody1]

but why is that the most blighted areas of every city are almost always predominately black?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Society

[WVAPPeer]

Also let me say this - I have been on this earth longer than most on this board - ALL OF US ARE RACIST TO SOME DEGREE - it is human nature - my little granddaughter is not because she is only 18 months old but as she grows older and matures she will obtain some amount. I do have a lot of faith that the younger generation will continue striving to diminish racism - they have grown up in a much more integrated society than us middle-agers or old-heads ---

When I say ALL OF US ARE RACIST - it's those who act on, cover up, associate with, condone and even further, those who are blatant where the term belongs - NOT on us regular guys/gals just trying to treat everyone as fairly as we want to be treated - We have racial feelings but we do not act on those racial feelings, therefore in my mind we are not racist in the true sense of the word ---

[Watauga72]

If I may, I'd like to commend posters on this site for the civil discussion surrounding a delicate and emotional topic. Thanks to all of you, and keep it up!