Interesting Read from the Big10 commissioner

[firemoose]

About the pay to play lawsuits. I know he's posturing but it does make for an interesting situation for the NCAA should they lose one of the suits.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootbal ... ay-players

[McLeansvilleAppFan]

About the pay to play lawsuits. I know he's posturing but it does make for an interesting situation for the NCAA should they lose one of the suits.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootbal ... ay-players

I'll call BS on this on. No way they walk away from the money they get for D-III type competition. The Big10 may not want to pay the players, if it comes to that, but they can afford it at some level.

They are going to give up their Network, ESPN money, keep these huge stadiums that cost money to either tear down or keep up. I don't think so. And no way they draw crowds like they do playing the same level as Guilford or Greensboro College. They would still have fans, but I doubt it would be at the same level. UMIch might pull in 20-30,000 not 110,000. They have made a Faustian bargain, and I doubt they can back out easily now without major fallout at many levels.

This sounds like classic management telling its workers the plant will move or shutdown if the workers ask for a raise and the greedy fat cats are pulling in the dough.

Now with that said, I would not care if they did. Either another conference would fill their shoes, or everyone would go the D-III route. Neither of which would bother me.

[Maddog1956]

Yeah Right, if he really feels that way why even have sports? If they don't matter and any level is fine and the students are just there to learn, just do away with sports.

[Kgfish]

About the pay to play lawsuits. I know he's posturing but it does make for an interesting situation for the NCAA should they lose one of the suits.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootbal ... ay-players

I'll call BS on this on. No way they walk away from the money they get for D-III type competition. The Big10 may not want to pay the players, if it comes to that, but they can afford it at some level.

They are going to give up their Network, ESPN money, keep these huge stadiums that cost money to either tear down or keep up. I don't think so. And no way they draw crowds like they do playing the same level as Guilford or Greensboro College. They would still have fans, but I doubt it would be at the same level. UMIch might pull in 20-30,000 not 110,000. They have made a Faustian bargain, and I doubt they can back out easily now without major fallout at many levels.

This sounds like classic management telling its workers the plant will move or shutdown if the workers ask for a raise and the greedy fat cats are pulling in the dough.

Now with that said, I would not care if they did. Either another conference would fill their shoes, or everyone would go the D-III route. Neither of which would bother me.

Of course they aren't going to walk away. But they will do something that drops this in its tracks. They could require every recruit sign a waiver of the payment. For everyone that refuses there will be ten more lined up to get the opportunity. The school invests millions in state of the art facilities and the support staff to maintain them in top condition, hires professional coaches, athletic training staffs, strength and conditioning experts, nutritionists, tutors and provides the players with a full time promotions office. They OFFER a kid - and they are 18 year old kids - the opportunity to receive a free education at some of the most prestigious institutions in the nation in exchange for their talents on the athletic field or court. Now some think they are entitled -there's that word again - to a piece of the pie. I'd prefer the school tell these guys to go pro right out of high school and see how far they get. And when you fall on your face try to get a job without that degree we offered you the shot at.

Let's face it college athletics is a business and every worker at every place of employment in the free world agrees to do a job for a certain wage. Nobody held a gun to their head and made them take the job. They did it of their own free will. But when the company makes a profit - what they are in business for in the first place - the workers think they are due a bigger cut than what they agreed to. The "greedy fat cats" who made the initial investment and sunk all the money into building the business from scratch are now the bad guys for simply sticking to the deal both parties agreed to. The union mentality has played a huge part in ruining this nation. They are nothing but a form of organized extortion. Whoever the judge hearing this case is I sure hope they have a little common sense.

[firemoose]

About the pay to play lawsuits. I know he's posturing but it does make for an interesting situation for the NCAA should they lose one of the suits.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootbal ... ay-players

I'll call BS on this on. No way they walk away from the money they get for D-III type competition. The Big10 may not want to pay the players, if it comes to that, but they can afford it at some level.

They are going to give up their Network, ESPN money, keep these huge stadiums that cost money to either tear down or keep up. I don't think so. And no way they draw crowds like they do playing the same level as Guilford or Greensboro College. They would still have fans, but I doubt it would be at the same level. UMIch might pull in 20-30,000 not 110,000. They have made a Faustian bargain, and I doubt they can back out easily now without major fallout at many levels.

This sounds like classic management telling its workers the plant will move or shutdown if the workers ask for a raise and the greedy fat cats are pulling in the dough.

Now with that said, I would not care if they did. Either another conference would fill their shoes, or everyone would go the D-III route. Neither of which would bother me.

The whole reason I posted this thread was to show the huge loads of BS that are flowing from the Power conferences. This is just one in a long line of blogs and stories from the Big 10, Big 12, and to a lesser extent the SEC and PAC-12. No way they walk away from that kind of money. That's why I used the word posturing. When you quoted the OP in your post I wasn't sure if you were saying it's me with the BS or the story. I knew it was BS all along but the point in posting it was to show how the Power conferences use their influence to try and make changes that the smaller conferences can't. Just wanted to make sure you and Maddog knew I wasn't putting it here because I believed it. However, if the NCAA loses any of the cases it could cause a change in the money structure that will have a ripple effect all the way down, which would then effect us.

[McLeansvilleAppFan]

About the pay to play lawsuits. I know he's posturing but it does make for an interesting situation for the NCAA should they lose one of the suits.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootbal ... ay-players

I'll call BS on this on. No way they walk away from the money they get for D-III type competition. The Big10 may not want to pay the players, if it comes to that, but they can afford it at some level.

They are going to give up their Network, ESPN money, keep these huge stadiums that cost money to either tear down or keep up. I don't think so. And no way they draw crowds like they do playing the same level as Guilford or Greensboro College. They would still have fans, but I doubt it would be at the same level. UMIch might pull in 20-30,000 not 110,000. They have made a Faustian bargain, and I doubt they can back out easily now without major fallout at many levels.

This sounds like classic management telling its workers the plant will move or shutdown if the workers ask for a raise and the greedy fat cats are pulling in the dough.

Now with that said, I would not care if they did. Either another conference would fill their shoes, or everyone would go the D-III route. Neither of which would bother me.

The whole reason I posted this thread was to show the huge loads of BS that are flowing from the Power conferences. This is just one in a long line of blogs and stories from the Big 10, Big 12, and to a lesser extent the SEC and PAC-12. No way they walk away from that kind of money. That's why I used the word posturing. When you quoted the OP in your post I wasn't sure if you were saying it's me with the BS or the story. I knew it was BS all along but the point in posting it was to show how the Power conferences use their influence to try and make changes that the smaller conferences can't. Just wanted to make sure you and Maddog knew I wasn't putting it here because I believed it. However, if the NCAA loses any of the cases it could cause a change in the money structure that will have a ripple effect all the way down, which would then effect us.

I knew what you were getting at. I should have said " I call BS along with Firemoose."

[McLeansvilleAppFan]

About the pay to play lawsuits. I know he's posturing but it does make for an interesting situation for the NCAA should they lose one of the suits.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootbal ... ay-players

I'll call BS on this on. No way they walk away from the money they get for D-III type competition. The Big10 may not want to pay the players, if it comes to that, but they can afford it at some level.

They are going to give up their Network, ESPN money, keep these huge stadiums that cost money to either tear down or keep up. I don't think so. And no way they draw crowds like they do playing the same level as Guilford or Greensboro College. They would still have fans, but I doubt it would be at the same level. UMIch might pull in 20-30,000 not 110,000. They have made a Faustian bargain, and I doubt they can back out easily now without major fallout at many levels.

This sounds like classic management telling its workers the plant will move or shutdown if the workers ask for a raise and the greedy fat cats are pulling in the dough.

Now with that said, I would not care if they did. Either another conference would fill their shoes, or everyone would go the D-III route. Neither of which would bother me.

Of course they aren't going to walk away. But they will do something that drops this in its tracks. They could require every recruit sign a waiver of the payment. For everyone that refuses there will be ten more lined up to get the opportunity. The school invests millions in state of the art facilities and the support staff to maintain them in top condition, hires professional coaches, athletic training staffs, strength and conditioning experts, nutritionists, tutors and provides the players with a full time promotions office. They OFFER a kid - and they are 18 year old kids - the opportunity to receive a free education at some of the most prestigious institutions in the nation in exchange for their talents on the athletic field or court. Now some think they are entitled -there's that word again - to a piece of the pie. I'd prefer the school tell these guys to go pro right out of high school and see how far they get. And when you fall on your face try to get a job without that degree we offered you the shot at.

Let's face it college athletics is a business and every worker at every place of employment in the free world agrees to do a job for a certain wage. Nobody held a gun to their head and made them take the job. They did it of their own free will. But when the company makes a profit - what they are in business for in the first place - the workers think they are due a bigger cut than what they agreed to. The "greedy fat cats" who made the initial investment and sunk all the money into building the business from scratch are now the bad guys for simply sticking to the deal both parties agreed to. The union mentality has played a huge part in ruining this nation. They are nothing but a form of organized extortion. Whoever the judge hearing this case is I sure hope they have a little common sense.

Yes, I stand corrected, pre-WAgner Act US was an idyllic place where everyone had enough money in there pocket, kids 5-6 years old were not in the labor pool doing dangerous jobs, all jobs were safe, and all because the folks at the top took care to make sure that was happening. I must be confusing all the child labor, on the job deaths such as Triangle Shirtwaist, or even Mad Hatter disease with some alternate dream world. My mistake, and thanks for correcting my history.

[HeffnerIV]

About the pay to play lawsuits. I know he's posturing but it does make for an interesting situation for the NCAA should they lose one of the suits.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootbal ... ay-players

I'll call BS on this on. No way they walk away from the money they get for D-III type competition. The Big10 may not want to pay the players, if it comes to that, but they can afford it at some level.

They are going to give up their Network, ESPN money, keep these huge stadiums that cost money to either tear down or keep up. I don't think so. And no way they draw crowds like they do playing the same level as Guilford or Greensboro College. They would still have fans, but I doubt it would be at the same level. UMIch might pull in 20-30,000 not 110,000. They have made a Faustian bargain, and I doubt they can back out easily now without major fallout at many levels.

This sounds like classic management telling its workers the plant will move or shutdown if the workers ask for a raise and the greedy fat cats are pulling in the dough.

Now with that said, I would not care if they did. Either another conference would fill their shoes, or everyone would go the D-III route. Neither of which would bother me.

Of course they aren't going to walk away. But they will do something that drops this in its tracks. They could require every recruit sign a waiver of the payment. For everyone that refuses there will be ten more lined up to get the opportunity. The school invests millions in state of the art facilities and the support staff to maintain them in top condition, hires professional coaches, athletic training staffs, strength and conditioning experts, nutritionists, tutors and provides the players with a full time promotions office. They OFFER a kid - and they are 18 year old kids - the opportunity to receive a free education at some of the most prestigious institutions in the nation in exchange for their talents on the athletic field or court. Now some think they are entitled -there's that word again - to a piece of the pie. I'd prefer the school tell these guys to go pro right out of high school and see how far they get. And when you fall on your face try to get a job without that degree we offered you the shot at.

Let's face it college athletics is a business and every worker at every place of employment in the free world agrees to do a job for a certain wage. Nobody held a gun to their head and made them take the job. They did it of their own free will. But when the company makes a profit - what they are in business for in the first place - the workers think they are due a bigger cut than what they agreed to. The "greedy fat cats" who made the initial investment and sunk all the money into building the business from scratch are now the bad guys for simply sticking to the deal both parties agreed to. The union mentality has played a huge part in ruining this nation. They are nothing but a form of organized extortion. Whoever the judge hearing this case is I sure hope they have a little common sense.

Yes, I stand corrected, pre-WAgner Act US was an idyllic place where everyone had enough money in there pocket, kids 5-6 years old were not in the labor pool doing dangerous jobs, all jobs were safe, and all because the folks at the top took care to make sure that was happening. I must be confusing all the child labor, on the job deaths such as Triangle Shirtwaist, or even Mad Hatter disease with some alternate dream world. My mistake, and thanks for correcting my history.

Here we go with the evil rich folks garbage again. McLeansville, what's your position at your job?

[Kgfish]

About the pay to play lawsuits. I know he's posturing but it does make for an interesting situation for the NCAA should they lose one of the suits.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootbal ... ay-players

I'll call BS on this on. No way they walk away from the money they get for D-III type competition. The Big10 may not want to pay the players, if it comes to that, but they can afford it at some level.

They are going to give up their Network, ESPN money, keep these huge stadiums that cost money to either tear down or keep up. I don't think so. And no way they draw crowds like they do playing the same level as Guilford or Greensboro College. They would still have fans, but I doubt it would be at the same level. UMIch might pull in 20-30,000 not 110,000. They have made a Faustian bargain, and I doubt they can back out easily now without major fallout at many levels.

This sounds like classic management telling its workers the plant will move or shutdown if the workers ask for a raise and the greedy fat cats are pulling in the dough.

Now with that said, I would not care if they did. Either another conference would fill their shoes, or everyone would go the D-III route. Neither of which would bother me.

Of course they aren't going to walk away. But they will do something that drops this in its tracks. They could require every recruit sign a waiver of the payment. For everyone that refuses there will be ten more lined up to get the opportunity. The school invests millions in state of the art facilities and the support staff to maintain them in top condition, hires professional coaches, athletic training staffs, strength and conditioning experts, nutritionists, tutors and provides the players with a full time promotions office. They OFFER a kid - and they are 18 year old kids - the opportunity to receive a free education at some of the most prestigious institutions in the nation in exchange for their talents on the athletic field or court. Now some think they are entitled -there's that word again - to a piece of the pie. I'd prefer the school tell these guys to go pro right out of high school and see how far they get. And when you fall on your face try to get a job without that degree we offered you the shot at.

Let's face it college athletics is a business and every worker at every place of employment in the free world agrees to do a job for a certain wage. Nobody held a gun to their head and made them take the job. They did it of their own free will. But when the company makes a profit - what they are in business for in the first place - the workers think they are due a bigger cut than what they agreed to. The "greedy fat cats" who made the initial investment and sunk all the money into building the business from scratch are now the bad guys for simply sticking to the deal both parties agreed to. The union mentality has played a huge part in ruining this nation. They are nothing but a form of organized extortion. Whoever the judge hearing this case is I sure hope they have a little common sense.

Yes, I stand corrected, pre-WAgner Act US was an idyllic place where everyone had enough money in there pocket, kids 5-6 years old were not in the labor pool doing dangerous jobs, all jobs were safe, and all because the folks at the top took care to make sure that was happening. I must be confusing all the child labor, on the job deaths such as Triangle Shirtwaist, or even Mad Hatter disease with some alternate dream world. My mistake, and thanks for correcting my history.

Nice job of attempting to use an extreme and the absurd to try and make a point. Evidently someone needs to correct your history because the Wagner Act had nothing to do with child labor. That was dealt with in the The Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938 and it still only prevents children under 18 from doing certain hazardous jobs and those under 16 from working during school hours. Work safety wasn't addressed by Congress until OSHA in 1970. The Wagner Act was strictly concerned with workers the right to organize and engage in collective bargaining. The Triangle Shirtwaist fire was a tragic event, but you need to tell the entire story. In reality the fire and resulting loss of life was caused by worker misconduct and insufficient fire suppression system in buildings at the time. Building codes, not working conditions were the primary issues.. The building doors were locked due to a high rate of theft and unwanted intrusions. And although smoking had been banned in the building workers routinely sneaked smokes during their shift. The NY City Fire Marshall concluded a match or cigarette tossed into a scrap heap caused the fire. The foreman who held the stairway door key fled without unlocking the door. Guess that was management's fault too. Socialist and union activist, Rose Schneiderman, was a key figure in the formation of the Women's Trade Union League. She routinely used the fire as a reason for factory workers to organize. Besides it is 2013, not 1911. and unions are largely irrelevant today as is evidenced by their dwindling numbers. Now under 7% in the private sector. The lowest since the 1930's. BTW, you're welcome.

[McLeansvilleAppFan]

About the pay to play lawsuits. I know he's posturing but it does make for an interesting situation for the NCAA should they lose one of the suits.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootbal ... ay-players

I'll call BS on this on. No way they walk away from the money they get for D-III type competition. The Big10 may not want to pay the players, if it comes to that, but they can afford it at some level.

They are going to give up their Network, ESPN money, keep these huge stadiums that cost money to either tear down or keep up. I don't think so. And no way they draw crowds like they do playing the same level as Guilford or Greensboro College. They would still have fans, but I doubt it would be at the same level. UMIch might pull in 20-30,000 not 110,000. They have made a Faustian bargain, and I doubt they can back out easily now without major fallout at many levels.

This sounds like classic management telling its workers the plant will move or shutdown if the workers ask for a raise and the greedy fat cats are pulling in the dough.

Now with that said, I would not care if they did. Either another conference would fill their shoes, or everyone would go the D-III route. Neither of which would bother me.

Of course they aren't going to walk away. But they will do something that drops this in its tracks. They could require every recruit sign a waiver of the payment. For everyone that refuses there will be ten more lined up to get the opportunity. The school invests millions in state of the art facilities and the support staff to maintain them in top condition, hires professional coaches, athletic training staffs, strength and conditioning experts, nutritionists, tutors and provides the players with a full time promotions office. They OFFER a kid - and they are 18 year old kids - the opportunity to receive a free education at some of the most prestigious institutions in the nation in exchange for their talents on the athletic field or court. Now some think they are entitled -there's that word again - to a piece of the pie. I'd prefer the school tell these guys to go pro right out of high school and see how far they get. And when you fall on your face try to get a job without that degree we offered you the shot at.

Let's face it college athletics is a business and every worker at every place of employment in the free world agrees to do a job for a certain wage. Nobody held a gun to their head and made them take the job. They did it of their own free will. But when the company makes a profit - what they are in business for in the first place - the workers think they are due a bigger cut than what they agreed to. The "greedy fat cats" who made the initial investment and sunk all the money into building the business from scratch are now the bad guys for simply sticking to the deal both parties agreed to. The union mentality has played a huge part in ruining this nation. They are nothing but a form of organized extortion. Whoever the judge hearing this case is I sure hope they have a little common sense.

Yes, I stand corrected, pre-WAgner Act US was an idyllic place where everyone had enough money in there pocket, kids 5-6 years old were not in the labor pool doing dangerous jobs, all jobs were safe, and all because the folks at the top took care to make sure that was happening. I must be confusing all the child labor, on the job deaths such as Triangle Shirtwaist, or even Mad Hatter disease with some alternate dream world. My mistake, and thanks for correcting my history.

Nice job of attempting to use an extreme and the absurd to try and make a point. Evidently someone needs to correct your history because the Wagner Act had nothing to do with child labor. That was dealt with in the The Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938 and it still only prevents children under 18 from doing certain hazardous jobs and those under 16 from working during school hours. Work safety wasn't addressed by Congress until OSHA in 1970. The Wagner Act was strictly concerned with workers the right to organize and engage in collective bargaining. The Triangle Shirtwaist fire was a tragic event, but you need to tell the entire story. In reality the fire and resulting loss of life was caused by worker misconduct and insufficient fire suppression system in buildings at the time. Building codes, not working conditions were the primary issues.. The building doors were locked due to a high rate of theft and unwanted intrusions. And although smoking had been banned in the building workers routinely sneaked smokes during their shift. The NY City Fire Marshall concluded a match or cigarette tossed into a scrap heap caused the fire. The foreman who held the stairway door key fled without unlocking the door. Guess that was management's fault too. Socialist and union activist, Rose Schneiderman, was a key figure in the formation of the Women's Trade Union League. She routinely used the fire as a reason for factory workers to organize. Besides it is 2013, not 1911. and unions are largely irrelevant today as is evidenced by their dwindling numbers. Now under 7% in the private sector. The lowest since the 1930's. BTW, you're welcome.

We really do need a Politics folder I guess. We have now hijacked a thread on football.

I am impressed with your knowledge and you have the dates right about OSHA, and some other laws. Laws that unions pushed for, hence my mention of Wagner Act, which was a big event. The Hamlet situation in the early 1990s. I guess you want to blame the workers there are well. Locked doors are locked doors.

Union come up here as a discussion every now and then. I always ask and never get an answer to the following. Show me a country that is union free and has a thriving democracy, and some level of people having a decent standard of living? Union rates vary from country to country and some countries like France are more "organized" than unionized, but when I look at countries without free and independent unions I see lots of corruption and lots of poverty, LOTS OF POVERTY-China and Mexico are two quick examples. Unions are human institutions, and as such are not perfect, but show me an example of having low unionization has produced a populace that has a decent standard of living and some control over their own lives. I don't know of an example.

[TheMoody1]

show me an example of having low unionization has produced a populace that has a decent standard of living and some control over their own lives. I don't know of an example.

With a 2012 unionization rate of 11.3% and falling the US is a pretty good example.

[Maddog1956]

Just wanted to make sure you and Maddog knew I wasn't putting it here because I believed it.

Sorry, didn't mean to imply that you believed it.

It's just that he tried so hard to sound noble. lol

[firemoose]

Just wanted to make sure you and Maddog knew I wasn't putting it here because I believed it.

Sorry, didn't mean to imply that you believed it.

It's just that he tried so hard to sound noble. lol

He did, didn't he....

[HeffnerIV]

Good employees don't need union representation in a free market. Their labor speaks for itself and makes them indispensable. Only below average workers need representation and the power of numbers. For the record, I'm from a northeastern union family.

[newtoasu]

Good employees don't need union representation in a free market. Their labor speaks for itself and makes them indispensable. Only below average workers need representation and the power of numbers. For the record, I'm from a northeastern union family.

Good employers don't need to fear union representation in a free market. Their policies speak for itself and makes them desirable. Only below average employers need to fear representation and the power of numbers. For the record, I'm from a southwestern nonunion family.

[hapapp]

show me an example of having low unionization has produced a populace that has a decent standard of living and some control over their own lives. I don't know of an example.

With a 2012 unionization rate of 11.3% and falling the US is a pretty good example.

Without unionization, the standard of living that American workers have gained today wouldn't be where it is. Of course, there is an interesting correlation that as unionization has declined in the U.S. the gap between the CEOs and the average worker has grown exponentially. There are certainly many factors at play in that growing gap but no doubt it is a pretty glaring stat.

[HeffnerIV]

Good employees don't need union representation in a free market. Their labor speaks for itself and makes them indispensable. Only below average workers need representation and the power of numbers. For the record, I'm from a northeastern union family.

Good employers don't need to fear union representation in a free market. Their policies speak for itself and makes them desirable. Only below average employers need to fear representation and the power of numbers. For the record, I'm from a southwestern nonunion family.

Your assumptions assume that unions only seek to extend their membership to companies whose employees are 'in need', as if employees don't have free will and a free market to choose the best option. Trust me, unions try to reach any crevice where they can collect dues.

[Kgfish]

We really do need a Politics folder I guess. We have now hijacked a thread on football.

I am impressed with your knowledge and you have the dates right about OSHA, and some other laws. Laws that unions pushed for, hence my mention of Wagner Act, which was a big event. The Hamlet situation in the early 1990s. I guess you want to blame the workers there are well. Locked doors are locked doors.

Union come up here as a discussion every now and then. I always ask and never get an answer to the following. Show me a country that is union free and has a thriving democracy, and some level of people having a decent standard of living? Union rates vary from country to country and some countries like France are more "organized" than unionized, but when I look at countries without free and independent unions I see lots of corruption and lots of poverty, LOTS OF POVERTY-China and Mexico are two quick examples. Unions are human institutions, and as such are not perfect, but show me an example of having low unionization has produced a populace that has a decent standard of living and some control over their own lives. I don't know of an example.

You brought up the Triangle Shirtwaist event and I responded. Now you move to the Hamlet situation. You can continue going down the list until you find an example of a bad employer. I'm sure all union bosses are as pure as wind driven snow. Smart employers view workers as an asset and do everything to keep them happy. When the unions demand and get more than 20% higher wages and benefits than their non union counterparts prices have to go up. Considering the company has fixed costs that 20% has to come from somewhere and it will always be the consumer. Fascinating the unions can't seem to explain how non union Japanese auto manufacturers produce the highest in demand cars in America. How did they manage with out the US taxpayer bailing them out? They must beat their workers into submission each day. Union stewards are on the payroll in every auto plant at a cost of millions of dollars. Detroit's labor runs about $70 to $75 an hour compared to around $49 for Japanese. But the Japanese continue opening factories while the US Auto industry shrinks and flounders. I'm finished here, back to football!

[skjellyfetti]

non union Japanese auto manufacturers produce the highest in demand cars in America. How did they manage with out the US taxpayer bailing them out? They must beat their workers into submission each day.

Wat.

Confederation of Japan Automobile Workers' Unions (JAW) was formed in 1972. It has a current membership of about 762,000, and serves as the confederated body for the labor unions of automobile manufacturers, parts makers, sales dealers, transportation companies, and other automobile related companies.

http://www.jaw.or.jp/e/

Japan's top industrial labor unions won their biggest annual compensation gains in years, the latest hopeful sign that the economy is starting to pull out of its long stagnation.

Toyota Motor Corp., 7203.TO +1.42% Japan's largest manufacturer, said that it would grant its workers a bonus equal to nearly six months' of base pay—a 15% increase over last year's bonus, and the highest such offer in five years. Overall, 10 of Japan's 12 major auto unions said employers had granted their full demands in negotiations, up from six last year, and zero in 2009.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 21046.html

Detroit's labor runs about $70 to $75 an hour compared to around $49 for Japanese. But the Japanese continue opening factories while the US Auto industry shrinks and flounders. I'm finished here, back to football!

They don't make $70-$75 an hour.

That's a misleading figure that includes "wages, health, retirement and other benefits, and includes the cost of providing benefits to retirees."

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/12/auto-worker-salaries/

[Kgfish]

non union Japanese auto manufacturers produce the highest in demand cars in America. How did they manage with out the US taxpayer bailing them out? They must beat their workers into submission each day.

Wat.

Confederation of Japan Automobile Workers' Unions (JAW) was formed in 1972. It has a current membership of about 762,000, and serves as the confederated body for the labor unions of automobile manufacturers, parts makers, sales dealers, transportation companies, and other automobile related companies.

http://www.jaw.or.jp/e/

Japan's top industrial labor unions won their biggest annual compensation gains in years, the latest hopeful sign that the economy is starting to pull out of its long stagnation.

Toyota Motor Corp., 7203.TO +1.42% Japan's largest manufacturer, said that it would grant its workers a bonus equal to nearly six months' of base pay—a 15% increase over last year's bonus, and the highest such offer in five years. Overall, 10 of Japan's 12 major auto unions said employers had granted their full demands in negotiations, up from six last year, and zero in 2009.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 21046.html

Detroit's labor runs about $70 to $75 an hour compared to around $49 for Japanese. But the Japanese continue opening factories while the US Auto industry shrinks and flounders. I'm finished here, back to football!

They don't make $70-$75 an hour.

That's a misleading figure that includes "wages, health, retirement and other benefits, and includes the cost of providing benefits to retirees."

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/12/auto-worker-salaries/

Said I was done but I must respond to this "fact check". The JAW union does not pertain to workers in th US. Although the UAW continues to target Japanese companies they have not had any success turning them. The $70 to $75 is not misleading as I never said they were paid that much. Employers must take into account total compensation a worker costs the company.