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TRANSFER EPIDEMIC
Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 10:58 am
by huskie3
Good article/blog by George Raveling about the transfer"epidemic" in college basketball.
http://coachgeorgeraveling.com/transfer ... ed-system/
I especially like the comment about players having an unrealistic expectation of their talent and then finding out they aren't as good as they thought. Also, coaches jumping to fill a scholly with only snippets of the player's ability.
Re: TRANSFER EPIDEMIC
Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 11:14 am
by T-Dog
Here's one idea. Stop calling the 18-22 year-olds "kids". They're not kids, no matter how old you are. They're adults who can vote, pay taxes and serve in the military. If you keep on treating these players as kids, they will behave as kids. However, if we're going to keep on acting like these players are kids, then it's the fault of the old adults who enable this, coaches included.
Re: TRANSFER EPIDEMIC
Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 11:21 am
by EastHallApp
Is it really an "epidemic," or is it just inconvenient for coaches? Regular college students transfer all the time, and nobody thinks it's a crisis.
Re: TRANSFER EPIDEMIC
Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 1:18 pm
by WVAPPeer
T-Dog wrote:Here's one idea. Stop calling the 18-22 year-olds "kids". They're not kids, no matter how old you are. They're adults who can vote, pay taxes and serve in the military. If you keep on treating these players as kids, they will behave as kids. However, if we're going to keep on acting like these players are kids, then it's the fault of the old adults who enable this, coaches included.
I don't know about the rest of you guys/gals, but I made better decisions at 30,40,50,60 than I did at 18 - If a young college student feels it is better for his/her future whether it be in athletics or academics or both what is the big deal???
Re: TRANSFER EPIDEMIC
Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 1:19 pm
by huskie3
EastHallApp wrote:Is it really an "epidemic," or is it just inconvenient for coaches? Regular college students transfer all the time, and nobody thinks it's a crisis.
Regular students do not have to sit a year before they can take classes either.
When we have over 600 basketball players a year transferring, that is an epidemic.
Re: TRANSFER EPIDEMIC
Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:25 pm
by WVAPPeer
huskie3 wrote:EastHallApp wrote:Is it really an "epidemic," or is it just inconvenient for coaches? Regular college students transfer all the time, and nobody thinks it's a crisis.
Regular students do not have to sit a year before they can take classes either.
When we have over 600 basketball players a year transferring, that is an epidemic.
An athlete sitting out a year gets that young person one year closer to a degree - which in most all cases is a good thing ---
Re: TRANSFER EPIDEMIC
Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:30 pm
by PhillyApp1
So why would anybody care about students transferring?
Coaches are allowed to quit, move, or bench kids, so it makes sense to let players change if the situation is not in their best interest.
Re: TRANSFER EPIDEMIC
Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:48 pm
by EastHallApp
huskie3 wrote:EastHallApp wrote:Is it really an "epidemic," or is it just inconvenient for coaches? Regular college students transfer all the time, and nobody thinks it's a crisis.
Regular students do not have to sit a year before they can take classes either.
When we have over 600 basketball players a year transferring, that is an epidemic.
Athletes don't sit out a year before they can take classes. They sit out a year before they can play. Which is a debatable rule in itself.
Not to say it's always a good thing or a good decision. Just suggesting that people look a little more critically before taking the media/coaching conventional talking point at face value. Fifteen years ago, you'd hear the talking heads tisk-tisk about pretty much any college basketball player who entered the draft and wasn't projected as a lottery pick. Now people have figured out how to weigh the risks and benefits of those decisions a little better. I see transfers as similar.
Re: TRANSFER EPIDEMIC
Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 3:23 pm
by wataugan03
This is total BS. If players are unhappy with their coach, teammates, role, academic situation, campus culture, distance from home, etc., they should evaluate their options, and transfer if there is a better opportunity. That's basically what college coaches do, its what their professors do, its what university administrators do. All of us have probably stayed in a job too long, and all of us have probably left a job too quickly. Players should be allowed to make the same mistakes. And most are probably making the right call.
If this is inconvenient for college coaches then they should focus more on finding players that are the right fit for the program and campus, and on maintaining a culture where people want to stick around. Or maybe they just grab the most talented players they can find, not focus as much on fit, and just deal with constant turnover as cost of business. Some businesses do well with that model.
And why are we all pretending like this epidemic is all on players deciding to transfer. Its at least partially due to coaches encouraging underperforming players to leave.
Re: TRANSFER EPIDEMIC
Posted: Fri May 01, 2015 6:57 am
by huskie3
Athletes don't sit out a year before they can take classes. They sit out a year before they can play. Which is a debatable rule in itself.[/color
You missed my point entirely. A player transfers to play and has to sit a year before playing again, a student transfers to take classes but does not have to sit a year before doing so. That is why I do not think player transfer and student transfer are comparable.
Both player (his advisers) and coach need to do a better job evaluating the situation before making a decision.
Re: TRANSFER EPIDEMIC
Posted: Wed May 13, 2015 5:10 pm
by NewApp
huskie3 wrote:Athletes don't sit out a year before they can take classes. They sit out a year before they can play. Which is a debatable rule in itself.[/color
You missed my point entirely. A player transfers to play and has to sit a year before playing again, a student transfers to take classes but does not have to sit a year before doing so. That is why I do not think player transfer and student transfer are comparable.
Both player (his advisers) and coach need to do a better job evaluating the situation before making a decision.
When a player transfers and has to sit out a year of playing, is he or she losing a year of eligibility? Don't they still get 5 years to play 4?
Re: TRANSFER EPIDEMIC
Posted: Wed May 13, 2015 7:52 pm
by moehler
there is a really good reason why players have to sit out a year when they transfer, its to keep schools like App from becoming glorified minor league programs for the larger P5 schools. If they didn't have that rule the Alabamas of the world would tell high school Seniors who were not quite ready to play for them, to go to App, learn how to play, then transfer. We would do all the work, they would get all the benefits.
Re: TRANSFER EPIDEMIC
Posted: Wed May 13, 2015 8:12 pm
by EastHallApp
huskie3 wrote:Athletes don't sit out a year before they can take classes. They sit out a year before they can play. Which is a debatable rule in itself.[/color
You missed my point entirely. A player transfers to play and has to sit a year before playing again, a student transfers to take classes but does not have to sit a year before doing so. That is why I do not think player transfer and student transfer are comparable.
Both player (his advisers) and coach need to do a better job evaluating the situation before making a decision.
I got the point. Just thought it was an apples-to-oranges comparison. So I made it apples to apples.
If an athlete decides they want to transfer even though it will mean sitting out a year, who are we to tell them they shouldn't?
Re: TRANSFER EPIDEMIC
Posted: Wed May 13, 2015 8:16 pm
by EastHallApp
moehler wrote:there is a really good reason why players have to sit out a year when they transfer, its to keep schools like App from becoming glorified minor league programs for the larger P5 schools. If they didn't have that rule the Alabamas of the world would tell high school Seniors who were not quite ready to play for them, to go to App, learn how to play, then transfer. We would do all the work, they would get all the benefits.
Yes, that's part of the reason, whether true or not. (Probably a bigger reason: to stop athletes from transferring from one big school to another just because, say, they don't like the coach.) Like most NCAA rules, it is conceived to protect the interests of the athletic programs over those of the athletes themselves.
One can argue that's how it should be. Or not. As I said, debatable.