From John Feinstein - Washington Post ---
"All of that led to Thursday’s decision to bolt. The only question now is what form their leaving will take. There are a number of options — all of them tied to money. If the seven leave en masse they will not, by rule, have to pay an exit fee. On the flip side, they won’t share in the roughly $50 million owed by the five schools that have previously departed. They could vote to dissolve the league. It takes a two-thirds vote, and only South Florida, Connecticut and Cincinnati also have votes on dissolution (Temple is a voting member but not on dissolution). So the votes would be there if needed. Of course it would be difficult then to try to demand exit fees from a league that no longer exists.
More important, long-term, is where the seven schools go next. They could join the Atlantic 10 and create the ludicrous specter of a 21-team conference. Imagine the slogan for the A-10 tournament: “The most exciting three weeks of championship week!” Or, more logically, and more likely, they could cherry-pick several schools that are similar in profile: Dayton, Xavier, Butler, Saint Joseph’s and even Creighton have been mentioned. Those five plus the old-Big East seven would be a formidable basketball league. Even three of those five would make for a conference that will be very attractive to a TV network. There will be no Tulane-Houston games in that package.
The league helped make the schools, and the schools helped make the league. Commissioner Dave Gavitt’s vision was to create a basketball conference in big TV markets built around eastern schools that had long-standing basketball traditions. Once football entered the picture in 1991, everything changed. All of a sudden, football schools such as Miami, Virginia Tech and West Virginia were in the mix and the conference had a very different feel to it. Then, when the ACC began pillaging the Big East to try to improve its football profile, the league completely abandoned the original blueprint and suddenly had members such as Louisville, South Florida and Cincinnati — all brought in to try to save football.
In the end, Big East football couldn’t survive, especially when the ACC kept coming back for more: Losing Syracuse and Pittsburgh 15 months ago was probably the death knell, but the league remained on life support until Thursday.
The best bet for the soon-to-be-non-Big East seven would be to try to work out a way to retain the Big East name and their contract to play the conference tournament at Madison Square Garden. They should then invite three to five of the potential candidates to join them. Keeping the league name would also mean retaining an automatic NCAA tournament bid, although that’s not crucial to a conference likely to send multiple teams most years."
Big East Split = FCS for ASU?
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His last line is exactly what I was thinking. Even without an autobid several of those teams are probably going to get invites to the madness. I don't think the autobid should hold them back. I can even see the NCAA working with them to regain or retain autobid status regardless of whether they are able to take the Big East name with them. I'm not sure how this will affect us, if at all.
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Per the ESPN article, a new auto-bid would be created:goapps93 wrote:His last line is exactly what I was thinking. Even without an autobid several of those teams are probably going to get invites to the madness. I don't think the autobid should hold them back. I can even see the NCAA working with them to regain or retain autobid status regardless of whether they are able to take the Big East name with them. I'm not sure how this will affect us, if at all.
http://m.espn.go.com/wireless/story?storyId=8745235
Without voting to dissolve, the seven schools are expected to move together to form a new league. They would keep their automatic berth in the NCAA basketball tournament because NCAA rules state that as long as a group of seven universities has been in the same league for five years, it keeps its bid after a move together to a new conference.
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The Catholic 7 are leaving, effective June 2015, as announced today.
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t4pizza wrote:The ACC's problem is that it tried to be something it clearly is not....a football conference. The ACC was, is and always will be (as long as it is around) a basketball first conference. I don't see why they just didn't realize that and stay within itself. Those 7 cathlotic schools leaving the Big East realize it and that is why they are leaving the Big East. All this jumping for better football positioning is going to tear down what was at one time the premier college basketball conference in the country. It really is sad when you think of it because none of those traditional ACC schools is ever going to amount to diddly squat on the grid iron. Change for change sake isn't always a good thing. I might add that if the ACC does break up and and leaves Duke and Wake without a home, they should consider the SoCon (sarcasm), we just love us some small private school.
I think the ACC's hands were tied and they were kind of forced to act in order to try to ensure survival of the conference. Had they not taken the football schools from the Big East, it's highly possible the Big East would have taken ACC schools. Had Miami and FSU been what they were in the 90's, GT and Clemson ever lived up to their potential, and a few schools with potential to be solid mid level teams like MD, UNC, and NCSU achieved respectability, then the league would have a rich tv contract and teams wouldn't be looking to leave. Kind of ironic when it's the football schools complaining and looking to leave, when if they had held up their end of the bargain the league would be in this situation. How many Final Fours and NCAA titles have they won in basketball in the same time span? Ultimately it seems that neither the Big East or ACC will survive. Big East is just the first to go.
*For what it's worth, I've read in multiple places that there was some real traction in the Texas to the ACC rumors from a while back when it looked like the BIG 12 was on life support. Swofford and the ACC wouldn't got for it because of the revenue distribution problems caused by the Longhorn Network. Basically the same deal the league just did with ND. If this is true, he screwed up really bad by not taking Texas, as that would have been the end of the Big 12 and the ACC would have survived.
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While we pursue this opportunity for our institutions, we believe the efforts of the past two years have established the foundation for an enduring national football conference.
This one line from the departing Catholic 7 just about says it all. Sounds like the nBE football schools have nothing to worry about except what new schools to bring in.
This one line from the departing Catholic 7 just about says it all. Sounds like the nBE football schools have nothing to worry about except what new schools to bring in.
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Re: Big East Split = FCS for ASU?
One guys take:
And, just as officially, the remaining football members trudge off into the great unknown.
Following up on reports from earlier in the week, seven members of the Big East with non-FBS football programs – DePaul, Georgetown, Marquette, Providence, St. John’s, Seton Hall and Villanova — announced Saturday that they have voted unanimously to withdraw from the conference. The when is still to be determined, although it could happen as early as next season if an increased exit fee is negotiated.
While acknowledging the contributions the basketball schools made over the years, Big East commissioner Mike Aresco maintained a confident tone in his statement that the conference will be able to move forward. Whether it’s a false confidence remains to be seen.
“The 13 members of the Conference are confident and united regarding our collective future,” the statement from the commissioner read. “We have a strong Conference with respected national universities, and are working together to forge the future. We have a variety of options, and are looking forward with great partnership, collegiality and optimism.”
With the departures, the Big East will be left with 10 members in 2013; 12 in 2014; and 13 in 2015.
All-sports-wise in 2013, the Big East will consist of current members Cincinnati, Temple, UConn and USF along with incoming members Houston, Memphis, SMU and UCF. Tulane will join as an all-sports member in 2014. Boise State and San Diego State are slated to join as football-only members in 2013, followed by East Carolina in 2014 and Navy in 2015.
Whether the Big East remains a viable football conference beyond 2013 will likely be directly tied to television revenue. The conference is currently in the midst of negotiations with various networks on a new TV deal, with the hope heading in of a deal that would pay $100 million annually or more. Even prior to the seven basketball schools leaving, however, that projection had dropped to between $50-$80 million a year depending on the report. One report figured the hoops members departing would decrease the value of a new TV deal by 15-20 percent.
Thus, each school could be looking at (very roughly) a low end of $3 million annually to around $6-7 million.
Would those numbers, or anywhere in between, be enough to keep Boise State and San Diego State from fleeing back to the Mountain West? Seeing as they’re only earning around $1.6 million, it would still likely be worth their while even on the low end.
There’s also the very real possibility that the likes of Cincinnati and UConn, which both made a push to replace Maryland in the ACC before the spot went to current Big East member Louisville, could continue to push for future membership in that conference or even the Big Ten.
Regardless, the future of the conference remains extremely tenuous and immensely fragile — no matter how much public confidence the commissioner displays.
And, just as officially, the remaining football members trudge off into the great unknown.
Following up on reports from earlier in the week, seven members of the Big East with non-FBS football programs – DePaul, Georgetown, Marquette, Providence, St. John’s, Seton Hall and Villanova — announced Saturday that they have voted unanimously to withdraw from the conference. The when is still to be determined, although it could happen as early as next season if an increased exit fee is negotiated.
While acknowledging the contributions the basketball schools made over the years, Big East commissioner Mike Aresco maintained a confident tone in his statement that the conference will be able to move forward. Whether it’s a false confidence remains to be seen.
“The 13 members of the Conference are confident and united regarding our collective future,” the statement from the commissioner read. “We have a strong Conference with respected national universities, and are working together to forge the future. We have a variety of options, and are looking forward with great partnership, collegiality and optimism.”
With the departures, the Big East will be left with 10 members in 2013; 12 in 2014; and 13 in 2015.
All-sports-wise in 2013, the Big East will consist of current members Cincinnati, Temple, UConn and USF along with incoming members Houston, Memphis, SMU and UCF. Tulane will join as an all-sports member in 2014. Boise State and San Diego State are slated to join as football-only members in 2013, followed by East Carolina in 2014 and Navy in 2015.
Whether the Big East remains a viable football conference beyond 2013 will likely be directly tied to television revenue. The conference is currently in the midst of negotiations with various networks on a new TV deal, with the hope heading in of a deal that would pay $100 million annually or more. Even prior to the seven basketball schools leaving, however, that projection had dropped to between $50-$80 million a year depending on the report. One report figured the hoops members departing would decrease the value of a new TV deal by 15-20 percent.
Thus, each school could be looking at (very roughly) a low end of $3 million annually to around $6-7 million.
Would those numbers, or anywhere in between, be enough to keep Boise State and San Diego State from fleeing back to the Mountain West? Seeing as they’re only earning around $1.6 million, it would still likely be worth their while even on the low end.
There’s also the very real possibility that the likes of Cincinnati and UConn, which both made a push to replace Maryland in the ACC before the spot went to current Big East member Louisville, could continue to push for future membership in that conference or even the Big Ten.
Regardless, the future of the conference remains extremely tenuous and immensely fragile — no matter how much public confidence the commissioner displays.