App needs to be in "The Group of Five"

TheMoody1 · Unread post by **TheMoody1** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:18 am

Is this basically the new I-AA?

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootbal ... ue-sharing

The “group of five” conferences are working to finalize a three-tier playoff revenue distribution system that rewards the conference with the best team and the conference with the best overall performance, CBSSports.com has learned.

In this proposed system, more than half the group's roughly $86-million playoff pot would be distributed among the Big East, Mountain West, Mid-American Conference, Conference USA and Sun Belt as guaranteed base shares, according to a source with direct knowledge of the discussions. The source expects those shares to be evenly split, but added discussions are ongoing.

The second tier pays out based on a conference's body of work -- the top conference gets the highest amount, then “X” amount for the next-rated conference, and on down.

The third tier pays a kicker to the conference with the highest-ranked team, which is guaranteed an access bowl bid or, if among the top-four teams in the country, a semifinal berth in the playoff.

Exact amounts rewarded for performance and the criteria for judging the best conference are still being hashed out, but there's a framework in place and this could be done by February, according to the source.

The current BCS system rewards overall conference performance in the “group of five,” formerly known as non-automatic qualifiers, based on a series of polls.

“All get a performance-based share, it's just a matter of how much are you going to get?” the source said. “That's the variable amount.”

The $86 million is based on a four-year average, while costs and operating fees could slightly alter the total.

Overall, the college football playoff is expected to pay out nearly $500 million annually. The power five conferences -- SEC, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12, ACC -- share a bulk of the payout.

The Big East is an automatic qualifier under the current BCS format but is falling to the group of five after several defections.

The Mountain West pushed for Boise State and San Diego State to return to the league in part because of playoff distribution positioning.

Boise, which was scheduled to join the Big East on July 1 before changing course on New Year's Eve, has outperformed the best team from the Big East's scheduled 2014 lineup in six of the last seven years based on the AP Top 25 poll.

In 2012, Northern Illinois from the MAC crashed the Orange Bowl and the Mountain West ranked three teams inside the Top 25 (including Boise).

The source said the Mountain West has not asked for a bigger base share than the rest.

After a rough five months, the Big East is hoping for stability with UConn, Cincinnati, USF and a litter of former Conference USA teams. Tulsa is an attractive candidate inside Big East offices to pair with Navy as a 12th team in 2015, one league source said.

The Mountain West hasn't talked with Tulsa about joining the league but has discussed the possibility with UTEP, SMU and Houston dating back to December. It's unclear when or if the Mountain West will expand from its current 12-team setup.

appbio91 · Unread post by **appbio91** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:24 pm

It is obvious that there will always be a lower tier in college football whether you call it FCS or group of 5 or whatever. We will never reach the level of the LSU's and Bama's so yes we will always be in the lower tier. In 2014 it appears there will be 3 tiers in Div 1 football- the big 5, the group of 5 and FCS. So we will be in the bottom tier or the middle.

AppinATL · Unread post by **AppinATL** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:17 pm

appbio91 wrote:It is obvious that there will always be a lower tier in college football whether you call it FCS or group of 5 or whatever. We will never reach the level of the LSU's and Bama's so yes we will always be in the lower tier. In 2014 it appears there will be 3 tiers in Div 1 football- the big 5, the group of 5 and FCS. So we will be in the bottom tier or the middle.

So, what's your point?

appbio91 · Unread post by **appbio91** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:38 pm

AppinATL wrote:
appbio91 wrote:It is obvious that there will always be a lower tier in college football whether you call it FCS or group of 5 or whatever. We will never reach the level of the LSU's and Bama's so yes we will always be in the lower tier. In 2014 it appears there will be 3 tiers in Div 1 football- the big 5, the group of 5 and FCS. So we will be in the bottom tier or the middle.

So, what's your point?

Statement of fact.

Saint3333 · Unread post by **Saint3333** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:53 pm

The point should be let's make sure we're in the middle tier.

AppinVA · Unread post by **AppinVA** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:08 pm

Saint3333 wrote:The point should be let's make sure we're in the middle tier.

How about in the highest tier possible. No need to aim middle.

Saint3333 · Unread post by **Saint3333** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:27 pm

If you think App will be in top tier if there are three tiers you may not understand the current landscape of college athletics. There will be 4 maybe 5 conferences of 12-16 teams in the top tier.

AppinATL · Unread post by **AppinATL** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:37 pm

appbio91 wrote:
AppinATL wrote:
appbio91 wrote:It is obvious that there will always be a lower tier in college football whether you call it FCS or group of 5 or whatever. We will never reach the level of the LSU's and Bama's so yes we will always be in the lower tier. In 2014 it appears there will be 3 tiers in Div 1 football- the big 5, the group of 5 and FCS. So we will be in the bottom tier or the middle.

So, what's your point?
Statement of fact.

Well gee, thanks for stating the facts. I don't guess any of us would have ever figured that out on our own.

appbio91 · Unread post by **appbio91** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:47 pm

If you understood why did ask smart guy? Fishing for some we need to stay FCS action?

AppinVA · Unread post by **AppinVA** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:16 pm

Saint3333 wrote:If you think App will be in top tier if there are three tiers you may not understand the current landscape of college athletics. There will be 4 maybe 5 conferences of 12-16 teams in the top tier.

I understand totally, and I know we wouldn't make the cut for the top 60-80, but I feel you aim for the stars and land in the clouds. The highest tier possible. Possible being the key word.

Kgfish · Unread post by **Kgfish** » Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:36 am

This is the level I've always envisioned ASU at. Outside one of our diehards hitting a $200 million Powerball I doubt we'll ever acquire the resources to compete at the top level, but we certainly do not belong in FCS. I would be extremely happy in this "Group of Five".

ASUMountaineer · Unread post by **ASUMountaineer** » Thu Jan 24, 2013 9:37 am

Kgfish wrote:This is the level I've always envisioned ASU at. Outside one of our diehards hitting a $200 million Powerball I doubt we'll ever acquire the resources to compete at the top level, but we certainly do not belong in FCS. I would be extremely happy in this "Group of Five".

That's where I'm at too.

Goapps15 · Unread post by **Goapps15** » Thu Jan 24, 2013 9:50 am

Agree with most here. We need to get into the "Group of Five" or we will lose everything we have worked for in the past decade. Once in the "Group of Five," we will have more resources and can grow our football program even more for the future of Appalachian State University!

bcoach · Unread post by **bcoach** » Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:14 pm

OK what am I missing here. Not feeling very good today but I did read it twice. I don't see any playoff. All I see is a distribution of dollars.

TheMoody1 · Unread post by **TheMoody1** » Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:40 pm

bcoach wrote:OK what am I missing here. Not feeling very good today but I did read it twice. I don't see any playoff. All I see is a distribution of dollars.

"the highest-ranked team, which is guaranteed an access bowl bid or, if among the top-four teams in the country, a semifinal berth in the playoff."

bcoach · Unread post by **bcoach** » Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:56 pm

TheMoody1 wrote:
bcoach wrote:OK what am I missing here. Not feeling very good today but I did read it twice. I don't see any playoff. All I see is a distribution of dollars.

"the highest-ranked team, which is guaranteed an access bowl bid or, if among the top-four teams in the country, a semifinal berth in the playoff."

That is a playoff?

Kgfish · Unread post by **Kgfish** » Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:40 pm

bcoach wrote:OK what am I missing here. Not feeling very good today but I did read it twice. I don't see any playoff. All I see is a distribution of dollars.

Why does a playoff, or lack of one, determine what level ASU plays?

JTApps1 · Unread post by **JTApps1** » Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:00 pm

bcoach wrote:
TheMoody1 wrote:
bcoach wrote:OK what am I missing here. Not feeling very good today but I did read it twice. I don't see any playoff. All I see is a distribution of dollars.

"the highest-ranked team, which is guaranteed an access bowl bid or, if among the top-four teams in the country, a semifinal berth in the playoff."
That is a playoff?

Shoot, let's just move to D2 and guarantee ourselves a spot in the playoffs forever. Can you imagine how wonderful that would be?!?!?!

TheMoody1 · Unread post by **TheMoody1** » Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:00 pm

bcoach wrote:
TheMoody1 wrote:
bcoach wrote:OK what am I missing here. Not feeling very good today but I did read it twice. I don't see any playoff. All I see is a distribution of dollars.

"the highest-ranked team, which is guaranteed an access bowl bid or, if among the top-four teams in the country, a semifinal berth in the playoff."
That is a playoff?

Yep. Starting out at 4 in 2014 but IMO it will go to 8 or 16 very quickly.

TheMoody1 · Unread post by **TheMoody1** » Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:03 pm

JTApps1 wrote:
bcoach wrote:
TheMoody1 wrote:
bcoach wrote:OK what am I missing here. Not feeling very good today but I did read it twice. I don't see any playoff. All I see is a distribution of dollars.

"the highest-ranked team, which is guaranteed an access bowl bid or, if among the top-four teams in the country, a semifinal berth in the playoff."
That is a playoff?
Shoot, let's just move to D2 and guarantee ourselves a spot in the playoffs forever. Can you imagine how wonderful that would be?!?!?!

We would be a shoe-in for that great trip to Florence, Al every year.

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