2022 Baseball Mega Thread

[T-Dog]

Nobody wants to talk about all 4 of our starting pitchers either missing games or playing hurt for at least the last half of the year. We had a nice start to the season until then. Nobody can overcome that.

Because outside of message board posters who aren't objective and the few people that go to every game, that information isn't shared with us regular fans.

Football has the same issue.

[AppSt94]

Nobody wants to talk about all 4 of our starting pitchers either missing games or playing hurt for at least the last half of the year. We had a nice start to the season until then. Nobody can overcome that.

Because outside of message board posters who aren't objective and the few people that go to every game, that information isn't shared with us regular fans.

Football has the same issue.

Very true on all accounts. I know that I have mentioned the injuries to our primary starters on here. Too your point about objectivity, it was either glossed over or seen as an excuse.

[hapapp]

This source suggests we are last in the Sun Belt in baseball spending.

Rank School Baseball Expenses 2020-21
1 Coastal Carolina $3,885,240
2 Louisiana, Lafayette $2,510,830
3 South Alabama $1,482,097
4 Louisiana, Monroe $1,291,541
5 Georgia State $1,219,791
6 Texas State $1,200,747
7 Troy $1,142,537
8 Georgia Southern $1,130,983
9 App State $949,653
Total $14,813,419
Average $1,645,935

https://www.sportico.com/business/comme ... 234646029/

[BambooRdApp]

Wow, that is a big discrepancy in funding. Actually surprised CCU spends that much. Realize they won the Natty a few years ago...but that is quite a bit of cash..

[Yosef84]

Has Coastal (and some of the other programs) picked up sponsors who are specific to baseball? I can see how winning a national championship could create an influx of cash. I don't know what the answer is for App. We have done more with less for so long that our expectation are sky high. Now we are in a position where we need to figure out how to create those revenue streams. I have to think our brand is worth something but I don't know the answer here. I am not knowledgeable about baseball at a level to even comment on coaches. I'll just let DG make that assessment. I'm sure he is having some discussions with Coach Smith and I hope they come up with a plan for next year that works better than this past season. I do agree that our scheduling hurt us. I admire the optimism but it was overly ambitious.

[hapapp]

There is a discussion over on the Belt board by some GS fans, who are debating whether to fire their long time coach because he gets them to the title game but can't win the big one. Note that they spend just a bit more than we do.

[APPdiesel]

They only spend $200k more than we do and are hosting a regional.

[Stonewall]

We need better players -check.We need better conditioning-check. Coaching doesn't matter-check. No one is accountable - check.

[AppSt94]

They only spend $200k more than we do and are hosting a regional.

They also play in a state where baseball is religion and they can subsidize scholarships with Hope Scholarships.

[APPdiesel]

They only spend $200k more than we do and are hosting a regional.

They also play in a state where baseball is religion and they can subsidize scholarships with Hope Scholarships.

It’s the south. Baseball is important in every state.

NC has 4 teams in the top 35. Georgia has 3. The state of NC is better at baseball.

Widen the lens to top 50:
NC has UNC, Wake, East Carolina, NC State (4)
Virginia has VA Tech, Virginia, Old Dominion, Liberty (4)
South Carolina has Coastal Carolina, Clemson, Wofford (3)
Georgia has Georgia Southern, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Kennesaw State (4)
Tennessee has Tennessee, Vanderbilt (2)
Alabama has Auburn (1)...Alabama #51

Add Florida, Mississippi, and Louisiana and you're talking about half of the top 50 in the south east. Baseball is important in the entire region. It's just not important *enough* in Boone.

Multiple things are true at the same time:
*App baseball is under funded
*App baseball doesn't currently have the talent to compete against our schedule
*App doesn't recruit well enough to compete in our own conference
*App baseball didn't do itself any favors scheduling way tougher than our players are capable of winning

Three of those 4 things are coaching. Coaches recruit, coaches coach, coaches build our out of conference schedule.

[AppSt94]

They only spend $200k more than we do and are hosting a regional.

They also play in a state where baseball is religion and they can subsidize scholarships with Hope Scholarships.

It’s the south. Baseball is important in every state.

NC has 4 teams in the top 35. Georgia has 3. The state of NC is better at baseball.

Widen the lens to top 50:
NC has UNC, Wake, East Carolina, NC State (4)
Virginia has VA Tech, Virginia, Old Dominion, Liberty (4)
South Carolina has Coastal Carolina, Clemson, Wofford (3)
Georgia has Georgia Southern, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Kennesaw State (4)
Tennessee has Tennessee, Vanderbilt (2)
Alabama has Auburn (1)...Alabama #51

Add Florida, Mississippi, and Louisiana and you're talking about half of the top 50 in the south east. Baseball is important everywhere. It's just not important in Boone.

Lol dude. And how many of those kids on any of those four teams, (UNC, Wake, ECU, and State) would actually pick App? Your point of rebuttal is three P5s and a school with a baseball budget of $2.7 million. Ok, seems like a fair fight because everyone plays the same game. You have your opinion and that’s fine. The difference between you and I is that you are only looking at two numbers to draw your conclusion. Wins and Losses. We have tried to provide you with several factors that contribute to the overall record of the baseball program and you just seem hell bent and determined to ignore the facts and circumstances.

Georgia schools have more D1 talent year in and year out with fewer schools to spread the talent out. And they can subsidize the cost of attendance with HOPE scholarships. Many states across the SE also provide reciprocity for tuition which can influence the dispersal of talent amongst states that play baseball year round.

While I’m sure that our SOS attributed to our record, would you rather be around a .550 winning % with a RPI of 200?

Keep pounding that drum man. You have about as much chance of making it rain as you do making App Baseball a consistent power in the Sun Belt.

[appst89]

Sounds like we just need to drop baseball and spend the money somewhere else. With all of the disadvantages which cannot be overcome, it seems silly to continue to waste $1 million per year. We just can't compete in baseball and there's no reason to expect that we can or should.

[AppSt94]

Coaches Salaries compared to ECU
App HC $135,252. ECU HC $414,875
App Asst 1 $69,355. ECU Asst 1 $158,625. (23k more than our HC and 20k more than our two assistants combined)
App Asst 2 $68,783. ECU Asst 2 $107,485
Total $273,390. $680,985

[APPdiesel]

They only spend $200k more than we do and are hosting a regional.

They also play in a state where baseball is religion and they can subsidize scholarships with Hope Scholarships.

It’s the south. Baseball is important in every state.

NC has 4 teams in the top 35. Georgia has 3. The state of NC is better at baseball.

Widen the lens to top 50:
NC has UNC, Wake, East Carolina, NC State (4)
Virginia has VA Tech, Virginia, Old Dominion, Liberty (4)
South Carolina has Coastal Carolina, Clemson, Wofford (3)
Georgia has Georgia Southern, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Kennesaw State (4)
Tennessee has Tennessee, Vanderbilt (2)
Alabama has Auburn (1)...Alabama #51

Add Florida, Mississippi, and Louisiana and you're talking about half of the top 50 in the south east. Baseball is important everywhere. It's just not important in Boone.

Lol dude. And how many of those kids on any of those four teams, (UNC, Wake, ECU, and State) would actually pick App? Your point of rebuttal is three P5s and a school with a baseball budget of $2.7 million. Ok, seems like a fair fight because everyone plays the same game. You have your opinion and that’s fine. The difference between you and I is that you are only looking at two numbers to draw your conclusion. Wins and Losses. We have tried to provide you with several factors that contribute to the overall record of the baseball program and you just seem hell bent and determined to ignore the facts and circumstances.

Georgia schools have more D1 talent year in and year out with fewer schools to spread the talent out. And they can subsidize the cost of attendance with HOPE scholarships. Many states across the SE also provide reciprocity for tuition which can influence the dispersal of talent amongst states that play baseball year round.

While I’m sure that our SOS attributed to our record, would you rather be around a .550 winning % with a RPI of 200?

Keep pounding that drum man. You have about as much chance of making it rain as you do making App Baseball a consistent power in the Sun Belt.

The difference between you and I is I believe we can do better. You believe .385 is as good as it gets. But hey, Grady Davis, go ahead and write your emails to Doug saying "keep it up, we're doing fine". I don't want our program to suck. You seem to be content with it.

[AppSt94]

They only spend $200k more than we do and are hosting a regional.

They also play in a state where baseball is religion and they can subsidize scholarships with Hope Scholarships.

It’s the south. Baseball is important in every state.

NC has 4 teams in the top 35. Georgia has 3. The state of NC is better at baseball.

Widen the lens to top 50:
NC has UNC, Wake, East Carolina, NC State (4)
Virginia has VA Tech, Virginia, Old Dominion, Liberty (4)
South Carolina has Coastal Carolina, Clemson, Wofford (3)
Georgia has Georgia Southern, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Kennesaw State (4)
Tennessee has Tennessee, Vanderbilt (2)
Alabama has Auburn (1)...Alabama #51

Add Florida, Mississippi, and Louisiana and you're talking about half of the top 50 in the south east. Baseball is important everywhere. It's just not important in Boone.

Lol dude. And how many of those kids on any of those four teams, (UNC, Wake, ECU, and State) would actually pick App? Your point of rebuttal is three P5s and a school with a baseball budget of $2.7 million. Ok, seems like a fair fight because everyone plays the same game. You have your opinion and that’s fine. The difference between you and I is that you are only looking at two numbers to draw your conclusion. Wins and Losses. We have tried to provide you with several factors that contribute to the overall record of the baseball program and you just seem hell bent and determined to ignore the facts and circumstances.

Georgia schools have more D1 talent year in and year out with fewer schools to spread the talent out. And they can subsidize the cost of attendance with HOPE scholarships. Many states across the SE also provide reciprocity for tuition which can influence the dispersal of talent amongst states that play baseball year round.

While I’m sure that our SOS attributed to our record, would you rather be around a .550 winning % with a RPI of 200?

Keep pounding that drum man. You have about as much chance of making it rain as you do making App Baseball a consistent power in the Sun Belt.

The difference between you and I is I believe we can do better. You believe .385 is as good as it gets. But hey, Grady Davis, go ahead and write your emails to Doug saying "keep it up, we're doing fine". I don't want our program to suck. You seem to be content with it.

So just because I’m not shouting into the void of a message board, I am content? Got it. Not at all, I just took the time to ask the questions to the people that would know instead of venting on a message board what I can only see from my lense.

I’ll put it this way. When our football coaches were prepping to play Michigan they watched film and said, “you know we have a real shot to beat these guys.” The following year, while prepping for LSU, same coaches said, “we have no shot in hell against these guys.” My point is that you, we, casual fans, don’t know of all the moving parts and it isn’t as easy as rolling the ball out there to get after it.

Maybe CKS sat with DG before the season and said that .385 is what he would expect under the current roster and schedule. Maybe it was higher until our starting pitching became a MASH unit. You’re just being a fan and that is what this board is for so have at it. You are entitled to your opinion. However, your opinion is based on what you want to see with little tolerance to the acceptance of information outside your optics. Have a nice day.

[BambooRdApp]

I hope the coaches are saying we are going to beat UNC and A&M

[huskie3]

How much help does athletics get from Financial Aid department? I know some who got partial athletic got grants and academic aid to make it full scholarship.

[APPdiesel]

They also play in a state where baseball is religion and they can subsidize scholarships with Hope Scholarships.

It’s the south. Baseball is important in every state.

NC has 4 teams in the top 35. Georgia has 3. The state of NC is better at baseball.

Widen the lens to top 50:
NC has UNC, Wake, East Carolina, NC State (4)
Virginia has VA Tech, Virginia, Old Dominion, Liberty (4)
South Carolina has Coastal Carolina, Clemson, Wofford (3)
Georgia has Georgia Southern, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Kennesaw State (4)
Tennessee has Tennessee, Vanderbilt (2)
Alabama has Auburn (1)...Alabama #51

Add Florida, Mississippi, and Louisiana and you're talking about half of the top 50 in the south east. Baseball is important everywhere. It's just not important in Boone.

Lol dude. And how many of those kids on any of those four teams, (UNC, Wake, ECU, and State) would actually pick App? Your point of rebuttal is three P5s and a school with a baseball budget of $2.7 million. Ok, seems like a fair fight because everyone plays the same game. You have your opinion and that’s fine. The difference between you and I is that you are only looking at two numbers to draw your conclusion. Wins and Losses. We have tried to provide you with several factors that contribute to the overall record of the baseball program and you just seem hell bent and determined to ignore the facts and circumstances.

Georgia schools have more D1 talent year in and year out with fewer schools to spread the talent out. And they can subsidize the cost of attendance with HOPE scholarships. Many states across the SE also provide reciprocity for tuition which can influence the dispersal of talent amongst states that play baseball year round.

While I’m sure that our SOS attributed to our record, would you rather be around a .550 winning % with a RPI of 200?

Keep pounding that drum man. You have about as much chance of making it rain as you do making App Baseball a consistent power in the Sun Belt.

The difference between you and I is I believe we can do better. You believe .385 is as good as it gets. But hey, Grady Davis, go ahead and write your emails to Doug saying "keep it up, we're doing fine". I don't want our program to suck. You seem to be content with it.

So just because I’m not shouting into the void of a message board, I am content? Got it. Not at all, I just took the time to ask the questions to the people that would know instead of venting on a message board what I can only see from my lense.

I’ll put it this way. When our football coaches were prepping to play Michigan they watched film and said, “you know we have a real shot to beat these guys.” The following year, while prepping for LSU, same coaches said, “we have no shot in hell against these guys.” My point is that you, we, casual fans, don’t know of all the moving parts and it isn’t as easy as rolling the ball out there to get after it.

Maybe CKS sat with DG before the season and said that .385 is what he would expect under the current roster and schedule. Maybe it was higher until our starting pitching became a MASH unit. Your just being a fan and that is what this board is for so have at it. You are entitled to your opinion. However, your opinion is based on what you want to see with little tolerance to the acceptance of information outside your optics. Have a nice day.

*You're

[APPdiesel]

Clemson just fired Monte Lee.

Clemson is currently ranked 34th in RPI, .640 winning percentage in his 7 seasons. Clemson is making a coaching change because the guy they have is good but isn't going to get them where they want to be.

[AppSt94]

It’s the south. Baseball is important in every state.

NC has 4 teams in the top 35. Georgia has 3. The state of NC is better at baseball.

Widen the lens to top 50:
NC has UNC, Wake, East Carolina, NC State (4)
Virginia has VA Tech, Virginia, Old Dominion, Liberty (4)
South Carolina has Coastal Carolina, Clemson, Wofford (3)
Georgia has Georgia Southern, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Kennesaw State (4)
Tennessee has Tennessee, Vanderbilt (2)
Alabama has Auburn (1)...Alabama #51

Add Florida, Mississippi, and Louisiana and you're talking about half of the top 50 in the south east. Baseball is important everywhere. It's just not important in Boone.

Lol dude. And how many of those kids on any of those four teams, (UNC, Wake, ECU, and State) would actually pick App? Your point of rebuttal is three P5s and a school with a baseball budget of $2.7 million. Ok, seems like a fair fight because everyone plays the same game. You have your opinion and that’s fine. The difference between you and I is that you are only looking at two numbers to draw your conclusion. Wins and Losses. We have tried to provide you with several factors that contribute to the overall record of the baseball program and you just seem hell bent and determined to ignore the facts and circumstances.

Georgia schools have more D1 talent year in and year out with fewer schools to spread the talent out. And they can subsidize the cost of attendance with HOPE scholarships. Many states across the SE also provide reciprocity for tuition which can influence the dispersal of talent amongst states that play baseball year round.

While I’m sure that our SOS attributed to our record, would you rather be around a .550 winning % with a RPI of 200?

Keep pounding that drum man. You have about as much chance of making it rain as you do making App Baseball a consistent power in the Sun Belt.

The difference between you and I is I believe we can do better. You believe .385 is as good as it gets. But hey, Grady Davis, go ahead and write your emails to Doug saying "keep it up, we're doing fine". I don't want our program to suck. You seem to be content with it.

So just because I’m not shouting into the void of a message board, I am content? Got it. Not at all, I just took the time to ask the questions to the people that would know instead of venting on a message board what I can only see from my lense.

I’ll put it this way. When our football coaches were prepping to play Michigan they watched film and said, “you know we have a real shot to beat these guys.” The following year, while prepping for LSU, same coaches said, “we have no shot in hell against these guys.” My point is that you, we, casual fans, don’t know of all the moving parts and it isn’t as easy as rolling the ball out there to get after it.

Maybe CKS sat with DG before the season and said that .385 is what he would expect under the current roster and schedule. Maybe it was higher until our starting pitching became a MASH unit. Your just being a fan and that is what this board is for so have at it. You are entitled to your opinion. However, your opinion is based on what you want to see with little tolerance to the acceptance of information outside your optics. Have a nice day.

*You're

Solid response. Kudos.