Fall camp

[appstate24]

I’ll say this, we have heard all about Michael Fletcher this off-season. I saw him for the first time at Fan Fest this weekend. Dude is a mountain of a man. Based off seeing him, I’m expecting much better things from our defense and our D-Line

Guy is a BEAST

GO APPS!!

[Yosef10]

The excuse train for stupid 3rd and 4th calls with injuries or whatever continues. Can’t wait to get over these tracks.

So much data out there to refute these excuses too. Bottom line, on a down to down basis App was a top 30 offense in the country. It was those 3rd and 4th and short failures that really hamstrung the offense, and the season . Sorry to break it to some folks, but injuries don’t just magically show up in those short yardage situations, while the offense operates smoothly otherwise. The offense dared the defenses to line up and beat them time and time again, and the offense ended up losing those battles. I don’t hate playing that style of football. I do hate not making adjustments when it’s clear the team you have at the moment obviously can’t play that style of football successfully.

[AppSt94]

Seriously we’ve been over it a dozen times, you just don’t like the response. Typical…. See how stupid this is.

Pot meet kettle. You don’t like the reasons for results so you call them excuses. There are people on this board that have tried to explain why things happened. They aren’t excuses. It’s called cause and effect. You just don’t care to be challenged and are dismissive of anyone’s thoughts that don’t line up with yours because you seem to need the validation. The simple fact that you can’t speak directly to me by quoting my comment tells me everything that I need to know about you. Winning happens for reasons. Losing happens for reasons. It’s pretty simple to understand. Even for someone like you.

Have a blessed day.

[Saint3333]

Funny you mention validation and my need for it. The attributes you conflate to me that seem to get under your skin are very evident in your own posts. Again winners don’t make excuses. Everyday is a blessed day in my world.

[JMappfan5]

And hopefully, when we win, some people will stop whining

[AppStateNews]

And hopefully, when we win, some people will stop whining

That won't happen. The whiners will just find something else to complain about.

Whiner: "Clark has to go!!!!"
Common sense haver: "Uh, we just beat Carolina by 28 points"
W: "yeah, but it would have been by at least 50 and we really would have made a statement if Clark was any good"

[Saint3333]

Most everyone here wants Clark to succeed, he’s one of us and I hope every Mountaineer is successful in whatever craft they choose.

[appst89]

Most everyone here wants Clark to succeed, he’s one of us and I hope every Mountaineer is successful in whatever craft they choose.

Liar! You can't want him to succeed because you said mean things. You just don't understand. You're a bad fan.

[AppStateNews]

Most everyone here wants Clark to succeed, he’s one of us and I hope every Mountaineer is successful in whatever craft they choose.

Wanting to succeed and still putting him down when he succeeds is different.

Not saying you will do it, but you know damn well there are others on here that won't be happy even if Clark goes 30-0 with two national championships the next two seasons...

[Appmountaineers19]

And hopefully, when we win, some people will stop whining

That won't happen. The whiners will just find something else to complain about.

Whiner: "Clark has to go!!!!"
Common sense haver: "Uh, we just beat Carolina by 28 points"
W: "yeah, but it would have been by at least 50 and we really would have made a statement if Clark was any good"

Stop trying to make sense will you Some of these poster talk out both ends about SC.

[Saint3333]

Most everyone here wants Clark to succeed, he’s one of us and I hope every Mountaineer is successful in whatever craft they choose.

Liar! You can't want him to succeed because you said mean things. You just don't understand. You're a bad fan.

I know, I’m the worst!

[Yosef10]

And hopefully, when we win, some people will stop whining

That won't happen. The whiners will just find something else to complain about.

Whiner: "Clark has to go!!!!"
Common sense haver: "Uh, we just beat Carolina by 28 points"
W: "yeah, but it would have been by at least 50 and we really would have made a statement if Clark was any good"

Stop trying to make sense will you Some of these poster talk out both ends about SC.

I don’t think it’s talking out of both ends. Like Saint said, we all want Shawn to succeed. But there have been a few obvious flaws during his tenure so far at App. Some take it personal when those flaws have been discussed, and then make it out like we’re advocating for something much more extreme. Honestly, the division it causes amongst some corners of the fan base is why I wonder if having an alum as head coach is productive

[AppStateNews]

And hopefully, when we win, some people will stop whining

That won't happen. The whiners will just find something else to complain about.

Whiner: "Clark has to go!!!!"
Common sense haver: "Uh, we just beat Carolina by 28 points"
W: "yeah, but it would have been by at least 50 and we really would have made a statement if Clark was any good"

Stop trying to make sense will you Some of these poster talk out both ends about SC.

I don’t think it’s talking out of both ends. Like Saint said, we all want Shawn to succeed. But there have been a few obvious flaws during his tenure so far at App. Some take it personal when those flaws have been discussed, and then make it out like we’re advocating for something much more extreme. Honestly, the division it causes amongst some corners of the fan base is why I wonder if having an alum as head coach is productive

Thing is nobody is denying those flaw either. No, he hasn't been perfect. Nobody denies that. Likewise, when people come on here and state factually why things are certain ways, it's making excuses. There's a difference between making excuses and explaining reasons when people ask.

Excuse: "We would have won, but the refs called kick catch interference on a punt and that changed the entire outcome of the game!"
Reason: "We are limited depth at LB ad DB right now and with a couple in games injuries, JMU realized it and exploited it by chipping our pass rushers with the RB and putting our CBs in one on one situations and capitalized."

I am not stating you or Saint advocated for more extreme, but there are plenty on here that did (and still do).

[Yosef10]

And hopefully, when we win, some people will stop whining

That won't happen. The whiners will just find something else to complain about.

Whiner: "Clark has to go!!!!"
Common sense haver: "Uh, we just beat Carolina by 28 points"
W: "yeah, but it would have been by at least 50 and we really would have made a statement if Clark was any good"

Stop trying to make sense will you Some of these poster talk out both ends about SC.

I don’t think it’s talking out of both ends. Like Saint said, we all want Shawn to succeed. But there have been a few obvious flaws during his tenure so far at App. Some take it personal when those flaws have been discussed, and then make it out like we’re advocating for something much more extreme. Honestly, the division it causes amongst some corners of the fan base is why I wonder if having an alum as head coach is productive

Thing is nobody is denying those flaw either. No, he hasn't been perfect. Nobody denies that. Likewise, when people come on here and state factually why things are certain ways, it's making excuses. There's a difference between making excuses and explaining reasons when people ask.

Excuse: "We would have won, but the refs called kick catch interference on a punt and that changed the entire outcome of the game!"
Reason: "We are limited depth at LB ad DB right now and with a couple in games injuries, JMU realized it and exploited it by chipping our pass rushers with the RB and putting our CBs in one on one situations and capitalized."

I am not stating you or Saint advocated for more extreme, but there are plenty on here that did (and still do).

Au contraire, the folks I’m talking about do not acknowledge such flaws. *Everything* is someone else’s fault, always.

Piggybacking off your depth example. Shawn had 2020, 2021, and 2022 offseason to build depth for the 2022 season. But the most common refrain I hear is that it’s the 2019 coach’s fault for said lack of depth. Can say it til blue in the face, but repeating something as many times as it can be does not make it the truth.

If you wanna tell me that Clark should be cut some slack in regard to lack of depth in ‘22 due to him being a first time HC, first year being COVID, Transfer Portal, NIL etc., then yeah I’m all ears, but that’s not how it’s ever presented. It’s presented as “oh look at this mess Shawn is having to clean up”. If 2022 showed us anything, it’s that if Shawn was actually stepping into a messy situation, he likely wouldn’t have won 19 games his first two years.

All that said, I’ve been happy to see some of the big picture changes he’s made in this offseason, especially in regards to recruiting timelines. Glad to see him able to adapt.

[Yosef1986]

HCSC is in no different of a position as any leader. He is counting on many moving parts to come together and produce a final product. With all of the moving parts the new transfer portal creates for all teams, it must be a load to manage all the parts and the parts constantly changing.

No excuse - just reality. The same goes for all coaches - some figure it out and some do not. He will figure it out - I believe he has moved us forward and brought in the right coaches for 2023. A lot of the recent moves in recruiting and transfer portal seem to be in the right direction.

I am excited for the 2023 to start!

[AppStateNews]

That won't happen. The whiners will just find something else to complain about.

Whiner: "Clark has to go!!!!"
Common sense haver: "Uh, we just beat Carolina by 28 points"
W: "yeah, but it would have been by at least 50 and we really would have made a statement if Clark was any good"

Stop trying to make sense will you Some of these poster talk out both ends about SC.

I don’t think it’s talking out of both ends. Like Saint said, we all want Shawn to succeed. But there have been a few obvious flaws during his tenure so far at App. Some take it personal when those flaws have been discussed, and then make it out like we’re advocating for something much more extreme. Honestly, the division it causes amongst some corners of the fan base is why I wonder if having an alum as head coach is productive

Thing is nobody is denying those flaw either. No, he hasn't been perfect. Nobody denies that. Likewise, when people come on here and state factually why things are certain ways, it's making excuses. There's a difference between making excuses and explaining reasons when people ask.

Excuse: "We would have won, but the refs called kick catch interference on a punt and that changed the entire outcome of the game!"
Reason: "We are limited depth at LB ad DB right now and with a couple in games injuries, JMU realized it and exploited it by chipping our pass rushers with the RB and putting our CBs in one on one situations and capitalized."

I am not stating you or Saint advocated for more extreme, but there are plenty on here that did (and still do).

Au contraire, the folks I’m talking about do not acknowledge such flaws. *Everything* is someone else’s fault, always.

Piggybacking off your depth example. Shawn had 2020, 2021, and 2022 offseason to build depth for the 2022 season. But the most common refrain I hear is that it’s the 2019 coach’s fault for said lack of depth. Can say it til blue in the face, but repeating something as many times as it can be does not make it the truth.

If you wanna tell me that Clark should be cut some slack in regard to lack of depth in ‘22 due to him being a first time HC, first year being COVID, Transfer Portal, NIL etc., then yeah I’m all ears, but that’s not how it’s ever presented. It’s presented as “oh look at this mess Shawn is having to clean up”. If 2022 showed us anything, it’s that if Shawn was actually stepping into a messy situation, he likely wouldn’t have won 19 games his first two years.

All that said, I’ve been happy to see some of the big picture changes he’s made in this offseason, especially in regards to recruiting timelines. Glad to see him able to adapt.

Wait, so because someone says something in a different way, that makes them not acknowledging faults? The lack of depth last season was due to the lack of recruiting in the 2019 season. There's no other way to put it. Could it have been fixed before last season? Yes. Were attempts made but failed for various reasons? Yes. It would have been shown in 2021 season instead but the super seniors fixed it for that year (and caused an imbalance but that's a different discussion).

But, what you're saying is if someone says "Wow, Clark really had an uphill battle being a first time coach through Covid, NIL, and transfer portal and is still learning" is ok. But someone that says "Wow, Clark did what he could being a first time head coach during a pandemic so he couldn't recruit as well as he needed to fix some known soft spots and didn't have any NIL money to compete for transfers" is not ok? It's literally the same thing -- just said different.

Should he have gone to the portal sooner? Yeah, probably.
Did he go to the portal before this season and struck out a lot because of zero NIL dollars? Yes.
Did we see an influx of NIL dollars and thus won battles for transfers we would have lost the previous years? Yes.

All of those are not excuses. Those are reasons.

The excuse would be "Clark did absolutely everything he could to land a 5 star recruit, but alas, he committed to Kirby Smart because Kirby guaranteed him playing time as a freshman and we just do it differently on the mountain so we couldn't do that. And that really messed up our recruiting class because so much time was focused on that one program changing player." (obviously extreme, but you get the point).

[asumba95]

Stop trying to make sense will you Some of these poster talk out both ends about SC.

I don’t think it’s talking out of both ends. Like Saint said, we all want Shawn to succeed. But there have been a few obvious flaws during his tenure so far at App. Some take it personal when those flaws have been discussed, and then make it out like we’re advocating for something much more extreme. Honestly, the division it causes amongst some corners of the fan base is why I wonder if having an alum as head coach is productive

Thing is nobody is denying those flaw either. No, he hasn't been perfect. Nobody denies that. Likewise, when people come on here and state factually why things are certain ways, it's making excuses. There's a difference between making excuses and explaining reasons when people ask.

Excuse: "We would have won, but the refs called kick catch interference on a punt and that changed the entire outcome of the game!"
Reason: "We are limited depth at LB ad DB right now and with a couple in games injuries, JMU realized it and exploited it by chipping our pass rushers with the RB and putting our CBs in one on one situations and capitalized."

I am not stating you or Saint advocated for more extreme, but there are plenty on here that did (and still do).

Au contraire, the folks I’m talking about do not acknowledge such flaws. *Everything* is someone else’s fault, always.

Piggybacking off your depth example. Shawn had 2020, 2021, and 2022 offseason to build depth for the 2022 season. But the most common refrain I hear is that it’s the 2019 coach’s fault for said lack of depth. Can say it til blue in the face, but repeating something as many times as it can be does not make it the truth.

If you wanna tell me that Clark should be cut some slack in regard to lack of depth in ‘22 due to him being a first time HC, first year being COVID, Transfer Portal, NIL etc., then yeah I’m all ears, but that’s not how it’s ever presented. It’s presented as “oh look at this mess Shawn is having to clean up”. If 2022 showed us anything, it’s that if Shawn was actually stepping into a messy situation, he likely wouldn’t have won 19 games his first two years.

All that said, I’ve been happy to see some of the big picture changes he’s made in this offseason, especially in regards to recruiting timelines. Glad to see him able to adapt.

Wait, so because someone says something in a different way, that makes them not acknowledging faults? The lack of depth last season was due to the lack of recruiting in the 2019 season. There's no other way to put it. Could it have been fixed before last season? Yes. Were attempts made but failed for various reasons? Yes. It would have been shown in 2021 season instead but the super seniors fixed it for that year (and caused an imbalance but that's a different discussion).

But, what you're saying is if someone says "Wow, Clark really had an uphill battle being a first time coach through Covid, NIL, and transfer portal and is still learning" is ok. But someone that says "Wow, Clark did what he could being a first time head coach during a pandemic so he couldn't recruit as well as he needed to fix some known soft spots and didn't have any NIL money to compete for transfers" is not ok? It's literally the same thing -- just said different.

Should he have gone to the portal sooner? Yeah, probably.
Did he go to the portal before this season and struck out a lot because of zero NIL dollars? Yes.
Did we see an influx of NIL dollars and thus won battles for transfers we would have lost the previous years? Yes.

All of those are not excuses. Those are reasons.

The excuse would be "Clark did absolutely everything he could to land a 5 star recruit, but alas, we he committed to Kirby Smart because Kirby guaranteed him playing time as a freshman and we just do it differently on the mountain so we couldn't do that. And that really messed up our recruiting class because so much time was focused on that one program changing player." (obviously extreme, but you get the point).

[AppSt94]

That won't happen. The whiners will just find something else to complain about.

Whiner: "Clark has to go!!!!"
Common sense haver: "Uh, we just beat Carolina by 28 points"
W: "yeah, but it would have been by at least 50 and we really would have made a statement if Clark was any good"

Stop trying to make sense will you Some of these poster talk out both ends about SC.

I don’t think it’s talking out of both ends. Like Saint said, we all want Shawn to succeed. But there have been a few obvious flaws during his tenure so far at App. Some take it personal when those flaws have been discussed, and then make it out like we’re advocating for something much more extreme. Honestly, the division it causes amongst some corners of the fan base is why I wonder if having an alum as head coach is productive

Thing is nobody is denying those flaw either. No, he hasn't been perfect. Nobody denies that. Likewise, when people come on here and state factually why things are certain ways, it's making excuses. There's a difference between making excuses and explaining reasons when people ask.

Excuse: "We would have won, but the refs called kick catch interference on a punt and that changed the entire outcome of the game!"
Reason: "We are limited depth at LB ad DB right now and with a couple in games injuries, JMU realized it and exploited it by chipping our pass rushers with the RB and putting our CBs in one on one situations and capitalized."

I am not stating you or Saint advocated for more extreme, but there are plenty on here that did (and still do).

Au contraire, the folks I’m talking about do not acknowledge such flaws. *Everything* is someone else’s fault, always.

Piggybacking off your depth example. Shawn had 2020, 2021, and 2022 offseason to build depth for the 2022 season. But the most common refrain I hear is that it’s the 2019 coach’s fault for said lack of depth. Can say it til blue in the face, but repeating something as many times as it can be does not make it the truth.

If you wanna tell me that Clark should be cut some slack in regard to lack of depth in ‘22 due to him being a first time HC, first year being COVID, Transfer Portal, NIL etc., then yeah I’m all ears, but that’s not how it’s ever presented. It’s presented as “oh look at this mess Shawn is having to clean up”. If 2022 showed us anything, it’s that if Shawn was actually stepping into a messy situation, he likely wouldn’t have won 19 games his first two years.

All that said, I’ve been happy to see some of the big picture changes he’s made in this offseason, especially in regards to recruiting timelines. Glad to see him able to adapt.

You choosing to dismiss the notion doesn’t make it less factual. It just means that you have made up your mind and aren’t open for discussion.

[appstate24]

Soooooo, who is everyone excited about this year?

I’ll start…

On Defense-
I already mentioned seeing Michael Fletcher at Fan Fest. He’s a monster, I’ve heard great things, and I’m looking forward to watching him.
I also look for a great season from Andrew Parker and Tyreek Funderburk.

On Offense-
I believe Nate is going to have a killer season. Feels like he’s being slept on a little bit. I think he will have a chip on his shoulder. I also look forward to watching Kaedin Robinson at WR, and obviously whoever takes them helm at QB.

Coaches-
Very excited to see what Coach Matt has done with our guys. Also, excited to see Coach Cabral and his boys on the DLine.

Just doing my part to get this bad boy back on track.

GO APPS!!

[BUTCH1991]

Soooooo, who is everyone excited about this year?

I’ll start…

On Defense-
I already mentioned seeing Michael Fletcher at Fan Fest. He’s a monster, I’ve heard great things, and I’m looking forward to watching him.
I also look for a great season from Andrew Parker and Tyreek Funderburk.

On Offense-
I believe Nate is going to have a killer season. Feels like he’s being slept on a little bit. I think he will have a chip on his shoulder. I also look forward to watching Kaedin Robinson at WR, and obviously whoever takes them helm at QB.

Coaches-
Very excited to see what Coach Matt has done with our guys. Also, excited to see Coach Cabral and his boys on the DLine.

Just doing my part to get this bad boy back on track.

GO APPS!!

Defense - Fletcher & Shawn Collins and the improved Markell Clark
Offense - Our 2 new tackles, Ryan Burger, Stroman & Nate Noe
Kicker - hoping for consistency from Hughes

Go APP!