Keep Joey 2024 - NIL

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Re: Keep Joey 2024 - NIL

Unread post by AppSt94 » Thu Nov 30, 2023 6:37 am

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Practically speaking, how does this work. Do coaches share a list of players that they are interested in and then companies with NIL money make offers or do coaches directly make financial offers based on the money they know they can access for new players?
Technically speaking, the schools aren’t supposed to be involved.
Does NIL effectively render the old school “bag man” useless or has he just been repurposed into a more transparent position?
Repurposed

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Re: Keep Joey 2024 - NIL

Unread post by Bigdaddyg1 » Thu Nov 30, 2023 7:04 am

I think it's fairly well proven over the years that unless you are a slam dunk franchise type running back or quarterback you might be better off going into the NFL as a free agent. I've heard a stat about first round quarterback busts that is crazy. More than not don't stay in the league long. How many current quarterbacks are guys virtually nobody had heard of- outside of the people who keep up with everything? I have always thought that certain physical aspects of quarterbacks are overblown- like the ability to "make the throws". There have been plenty of guys with big arms who can't make reads and split second decisions. While he's struggling with a crap offense BY obviously has it upstairs or he would not have succeeded at Alabama and would not have been picked first. Based on our schedule next season JA will have plenty of viable chances to show what he's got for the next level. He would go into Death Valley which is always daunting and might be facing a Liberty team who might go undefeated this year as well as several legit Belt teams. Hopefully it all works out for him and App but if he does move on you really can't fault him completely and we will be fine.

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Re: Keep Joey 2024 - NIL

Unread post by appdaze » Thu Nov 30, 2023 7:12 am

1. They are not kids.

2. They are adults.

3. They arr making adult decisions as adults.

4. This is how capitalism works all around you, every day.

A manager gets fired, some employees leave and some lose their jobs with them. A ceo moves companies, some employees follow them. They dont sit out a year. A business goes under or loses a bu ch of money and people lose their jobs. Not an eye is bat by onlookers. But college football players get treated like the capitalist labor force they are and all hell breaks loose.

NIL is a good thing. Lets these young adults make that money while they can, because most wont make the nfl.

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Re: Keep Joey 2024 - NIL

Unread post by asumba95 » Thu Nov 30, 2023 8:51 am

Appmountaineers19 wrote:
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It's a crying shame that a conversation with a kid starts with ..." we can pay you x"
Always been like this just legal now.
Nail hits head...just ask SMU. On a side note, I just don't see him worth half a million. He's a good QB, but I can't wrap my head around that.

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Re: Keep Joey 2024 - NIL

Unread post by Rekdiver » Thu Nov 30, 2023 9:07 am

asumba95 wrote:
Thu Nov 30, 2023 8:51 am
Appmountaineers19 wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 12:35 pm
Rekdiver wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 12:31 pm
It's a crying shame that a conversation with a kid starts with ..." we can pay you x"
Always been like this just legal now.
Nail hits head...just ask SMU. On a side note, I just don't see him worth half a million. He's a good QB, but I can't wrap my head around that.
I’m still wrapping my head around Jimbo getting 76 mil for getting fired

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Re: Keep Joey 2024 - NIL

Unread post by Appmountaineers19 » Thu Nov 30, 2023 9:15 am

asumba95 wrote:
Thu Nov 30, 2023 8:51 am
Appmountaineers19 wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 12:35 pm
Rekdiver wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 12:31 pm
It's a crying shame that a conversation with a kid starts with ..." we can pay you x"
Always been like this just legal now.
Nail hits head...just ask SMU. On a side note, I just don't see him worth half a million. He's a good QB, but I can't wrap my head around that.
I think the On3 evaluations way over inflated. Yes there are a few athletes making 7 digits. I think APP will be ok for the most part this year but next year might be tough. Coaching staff will have to hit in the TP consistently to "reload".

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Re: Keep Joey 2024 - NIL

Unread post by asumba95 » Thu Nov 30, 2023 9:33 am

Rekdiver wrote:
Thu Nov 30, 2023 9:07 am
asumba95 wrote:
Thu Nov 30, 2023 8:51 am
Appmountaineers19 wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 12:35 pm
Rekdiver wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 12:31 pm
It's a crying shame that a conversation with a kid starts with ..." we can pay you x"
Always been like this just legal now.
Nail hits head...just ask SMU. On a side note, I just don't see him worth half a million. He's a good QB, but I can't wrap my head around that.
I’m still wrapping my head around Jimbo getting 76 mil for getting fired
I'd take a paltry 5 mil to get fired

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Re: Keep Joey 2024 - NIL

Unread post by ASUTodd » Thu Nov 30, 2023 9:34 am

asumba95 wrote:
Thu Nov 30, 2023 9:33 am
Rekdiver wrote:
Thu Nov 30, 2023 9:07 am
asumba95 wrote:
Thu Nov 30, 2023 8:51 am
Appmountaineers19 wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 12:35 pm
Rekdiver wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 12:31 pm
It's a crying shame that a conversation with a kid starts with ..." we can pay you x"
Always been like this just legal now.
Nail hits head...just ask SMU. On a side note, I just don't see him worth half a million. He's a good QB, but I can't wrap my head around that.
I’m still wrapping my head around Jimbo getting 76 mil for getting fired
I'd take a paltry 5 mil to get fired
At my previous employer, I would have taken $5 to get fired.....

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Re: Keep Joey 2024 - NIL

Unread post by Oldlknapp » Thu Nov 30, 2023 9:37 am

I've heard the athletic department offers tax guidance/assistance to athletes receiving NIL money. Is this true? (I think they receive taxable money).

In the case of River Street Ale House that has a NIL deal with Joey, who pays the taxes? The deal could amount to a lot of money if students/alumni participate.

And there may be dozens of these NIL "deals" around that we may not be aware of. Someone has got to be managing or keeping track of these deals. Is it the athletic department?

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Re: Keep Joey 2024 - NIL

Unread post by goapps93 » Thu Nov 30, 2023 10:12 am

Oldlknapp wrote:
Thu Nov 30, 2023 9:37 am
I've heard the athletic department offers tax guidance/assistance to athletes receiving NIL money. Is this true? (I think they receive taxable money).

In the case of River Street Ale House that has a NIL deal with Joey, who pays the taxes? The deal could amount to a lot of money if students/alumni participate.

And there may be dozens of these NIL "deals" around that we may not be aware of. Someone has got to be managing or keeping track of these deals. Is it the athletic department?
I would guess NIL recipients receive a 1099 and report income themselves when they file taxes. Some may even form an LLC to avoid personal liability.
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Re: Keep Joey 2024 - NIL

Unread post by Rekdiver » Thu Nov 30, 2023 10:24 am

West coast schools are after JA…..

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Re: Keep Joey 2024 - NIL

Unread post by RaleighApp27609 » Thu Nov 30, 2023 10:27 am

Rekdiver wrote:
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West coast schools are after JA…..
What makes you say that?

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Re: Keep Joey 2024 - NIL

Unread post by 311neers » Thu Nov 30, 2023 10:36 am

RaleighApp27609 wrote:
Thu Nov 30, 2023 10:27 am
Rekdiver wrote:
Thu Nov 30, 2023 10:24 am
West coast schools are after JA…..
What makes you say that?
He's got 3,500 yards and 35 tds. Unfortunately, any QB with those numbers is going to get "looks".

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Re: Keep Joey 2024 - NIL

Unread post by RaleighApp27609 » Thu Nov 30, 2023 10:39 am

311neers wrote:
Thu Nov 30, 2023 10:36 am
RaleighApp27609 wrote:
Thu Nov 30, 2023 10:27 am
Rekdiver wrote:
Thu Nov 30, 2023 10:24 am
West coast schools are after JA…..
What makes you say that?
He's got 3,500 yards and 35 tds. Unfortunately, any QB with those numbers is going to get "looks".
I meant if he knew specific programs on the west coast.

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Re: Keep Joey 2024 - NIL

Unread post by 311neers » Thu Nov 30, 2023 10:41 am

RaleighApp27609 wrote:
Thu Nov 30, 2023 10:39 am
311neers wrote:
Thu Nov 30, 2023 10:36 am
RaleighApp27609 wrote:
Thu Nov 30, 2023 10:27 am
Rekdiver wrote:
Thu Nov 30, 2023 10:24 am
West coast schools are after JA…..
What makes you say that?
He's got 3,500 yards and 35 tds. Unfortunately, any QB with those numbers is going to get "looks".
I meant if he knew specific programs on the west coast.
Not certain on the intel but I could definitely see WASU air raid since Cam Ward is in the portal. Honestly, it might be a few of them. He's that good.

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Re: Keep Joey 2024 - NIL

Unread post by bcoach » Thu Nov 30, 2023 10:48 am

appdaze wrote:
Thu Nov 30, 2023 7:12 am
1. They are not kids.

2. They are adults.

3. They arr making adult decisions as adults.

4. This is how capitalism works all around you, every day.

A manager gets fired, some employees leave and some lose their jobs with them. A ceo moves companies, some employees follow them. They dont sit out a year. A business goes under or loses a bu ch of money and people lose their jobs. Not an eye is bat by onlookers. But college football players get treated like the capitalist labor force they are and all hell breaks loose.

NIL is a good thing. Lets these young adults make that money while they can, because most wont make the nfl.
If they are truly the capitalist labor force then do they need to pay taxes on scholorship and benifits?

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Re: Keep Joey 2024 - NIL

Unread post by Appmountaineers19 » Thu Nov 30, 2023 10:49 am

311neers wrote:
Thu Nov 30, 2023 10:41 am
RaleighApp27609 wrote:
Thu Nov 30, 2023 10:39 am
311neers wrote:
Thu Nov 30, 2023 10:36 am
RaleighApp27609 wrote:
Thu Nov 30, 2023 10:27 am
Rekdiver wrote:
Thu Nov 30, 2023 10:24 am
West coast schools are after JA…..
What makes you say that?
He's got 3,500 yards and 35 tds. Unfortunately, any QB with those numbers is going to get "looks".
I meant if he knew specific programs on the west coast.
Not certain on the intel but I could definitely see WASU air raid since Cam Ward is in the portal. Honestly, it might be a few of them. He's that good.
WASU is in the red and no conference. Not a landing spot. Everything will work out one way or another

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Re: Keep Joey 2024 - NIL

Unread post by appdaze » Thu Nov 30, 2023 10:55 am

Joey is being talked about in fan forums all over. People have seen his numbers.


Post in thread '2023-24 College Football Transfer Portal Thread' https://gopherhole.com/boards/threads/2 ... st-2835119

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Re: Keep Joey 2024 - NIL

Unread post by appdaze » Thu Nov 30, 2023 10:56 am

bcoach wrote:
Thu Nov 30, 2023 10:48 am
appdaze wrote:
Thu Nov 30, 2023 7:12 am
1. They are not kids.

2. They are adults.

3. They arr making adult decisions as adults.

4. This is how capitalism works all around you, every day.

A manager gets fired, some employees leave and some lose their jobs with them. A ceo moves companies, some employees follow them. They dont sit out a year. A business goes under or loses a bu ch of money and people lose their jobs. Not an eye is bat by onlookers. But college football players get treated like the capitalist labor force they are and all hell breaks loose.

NIL is a good thing. Lets these young adults make that money while they can, because most wont make the nfl.
If they are truly the capitalist labor force then do they need to pay taxes on scholorship and benifits?
As much as any other scholarship does.

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Re: Keep Joey 2024 - NIL

Unread post by BallantyneApp » Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:05 am

bcoach wrote:
Thu Nov 30, 2023 10:48 am
appdaze wrote:
Thu Nov 30, 2023 7:12 am
1. They are not kids.

2. They are adults.

3. They arr making adult decisions as adults.

4. This is how capitalism works all around you, every day.

A manager gets fired, some employees leave and some lose their jobs with them. A ceo moves companies, some employees follow them. They dont sit out a year. A business goes under or loses a bu ch of money and people lose their jobs. Not an eye is bat by onlookers. But college football players get treated like the capitalist labor force they are and all hell breaks loose.

NIL is a good thing. Lets these young adults make that money while they can, because most wont make the nfl.
If they are truly the capitalist labor force then do they need to pay taxes on scholorship and benifits?
Also a big difference between our economic system and how we run our sports.

All our major pro leagues are very anti-competitive.

Revenue sharing, salary caps and collective bargaining.

If we took that away all the pro leagues would be dominated by teams in NY and LA.

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