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by ericsaid » Thu Jun 20, 2024 12:40 pm
AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 4:54 pm
ericsaid wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2024 10:21 am
T-Dog wrote: ↑Fri Jun 14, 2024 7:55 pm
No App State player in the last several years had their character assassinated by chirpy football program staffers more than Can Peoples.
This is true. Every off-season some shit would come out about Cam being a cancer or Cam transferring or Cam being this or that. I’d imagine his stories will pertain to that.
Personally, I don’t blame him for that part but he’s kind of leaning into making them seem true depending on how he responds to this.
I don’t know why the Burger’s are upset though. Ryan got hurt, Joey came in and threw 40+ touchdowns by the end of the year and is App’s first legitimate NFL prospect at QB, maybe ever. So they can chill on whatever they are chirping about in the comments.
I am not exactly sure what happened but there was reason to worry about him leaving because his mother and Cam himself made comments that would lead you to believe they were. I appreciate Cam staying and not chasing NIL but he really disappointed me as a senior because he in fact quit on the team. If he has physical evidence to prove something that our coaches did wrong then I am open to seeing it but I am not going to just take his word. He will need to back up any bad claims he has.
The problem isn't that it was a concern, the problem is how that information was leaked, how it was leaked, and the commentary about Cam as a person surrounded it. There was a lot of vitriol directed to Cam from both fans, donors, and people who are relatively close to the program; to include people on this board and the 247 Board. A lot of it was unnecessary and I said as much at the time. These are college students, after all, and Cam left as one of App's most productive running backs in program history. Yet he is treated the same as maybe a Rod Chisholm who never really lived up to the expectations when he signed.
Some people are just different, and good ol' boy clubs like the App State fans close to the program don't like different. They want conformity. Cam is a colorful guy and that emotional presence bothers some because it goes against the grain of what people expect "men" to be.
So for those of you close to the program, who know people, and who know coaches, leave the personal commentary out of the public sphere. It does nothing to promote anything and only damages peoples reputations and the only recourse they have to counter that is to publicize things that would otherwise remain behind closed doors.
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by AppOrange » Thu Jun 20, 2024 12:51 pm
ericsaid wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 12:40 pm
AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 4:54 pm
ericsaid wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2024 10:21 am
T-Dog wrote: ↑Fri Jun 14, 2024 7:55 pm
No App State player in the last several years had their character assassinated by chirpy football program staffers more than Can Peoples.
This is true. Every off-season some shit would come out about Cam being a cancer or Cam transferring or Cam being this or that. I’d imagine his stories will pertain to that.
Personally, I don’t blame him for that part but he’s kind of leaning into making them seem true depending on how he responds to this.
I don’t know why the Burger’s are upset though. Ryan got hurt, Joey came in and threw 40+ touchdowns by the end of the year and is App’s first legitimate NFL prospect at QB, maybe ever. So they can chill on whatever they are chirping about in the comments.
I am not exactly sure what happened but there was reason to worry about him leaving because his mother and Cam himself made comments that would lead you to believe they were. I appreciate Cam staying and not chasing NIL but he really disappointed me as a senior because he in fact quit on the team. If he has physical evidence to prove something that our coaches did wrong then I am open to seeing it but I am not going to just take his word. He will need to back up any bad claims he has.
The problem isn't that it was a concern, the problem is how that information was leaked, how it was leaked, and the commentary about Cam as a person surrounded it. There was a lot of vitriol directed to Cam from both fans, donors, and people who are relatively close to the program; to include people on this board and the 247 Board. A lot of it was unnecessary and I said as much at the time. These are college students, after all, and Cam left as one of App's most productive running backs in program history. Yet he is treated the same as maybe a Rod Chisholm who never really lived up to the expectations when he signed.
Some people are just different, and good ol' boy clubs like the App State fans close to the program don't like different. They want conformity. Cam is a colorful guy and that emotional presence bothers some because it goes against the grain of what people expect "men" to be.
So for those of you close to the program, who know people, and who know coaches, leave the personal commentary out of the public sphere. It does nothing to promote anything and only damages peoples reputations and the only recourse they have to counter that is to publicize things that would otherwise remain behind closed doors.
Agreed, as I said before, just because you can, doesn't mean you should. the world is forgetting this at a very rapid rate. Do one to others . . .
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by ericsaid » Thu Jun 20, 2024 1:01 pm
AppOrange wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 12:51 pm
ericsaid wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 12:40 pm
AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 4:54 pm
ericsaid wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2024 10:21 am
T-Dog wrote: ↑Fri Jun 14, 2024 7:55 pm
No App State player in the last several years had their character assassinated by chirpy football program staffers more than Can Peoples.
This is true. Every off-season some shit would come out about Cam being a cancer or Cam transferring or Cam being this or that. I’d imagine his stories will pertain to that.
Personally, I don’t blame him for that part but he’s kind of leaning into making them seem true depending on how he responds to this.
I don’t know why the Burger’s are upset though. Ryan got hurt, Joey came in and threw 40+ touchdowns by the end of the year and is App’s first legitimate NFL prospect at QB, maybe ever. So they can chill on whatever they are chirping about in the comments.
I am not exactly sure what happened but there was reason to worry about him leaving because his mother and Cam himself made comments that would lead you to believe they were. I appreciate Cam staying and not chasing NIL but he really disappointed me as a senior because he in fact quit on the team. If he has physical evidence to prove something that our coaches did wrong then I am open to seeing it but I am not going to just take his word. He will need to back up any bad claims he has.
The problem isn't that it was a concern, the problem is how that information was leaked, how it was leaked, and the commentary about Cam as a person surrounded it. There was a lot of vitriol directed to Cam from both fans, donors, and people who are relatively close to the program; to include people on this board and the 247 Board. A lot of it was unnecessary and I said as much at the time. These are college students, after all, and Cam left as one of App's most productive running backs in program history. Yet he is treated the same as maybe a Rod Chisholm who never really lived up to the expectations when he signed.
Some people are just different, and good ol' boy clubs like the App State fans close to the program don't like different. They want conformity. Cam is a colorful guy and that emotional presence bothers some because it goes against the grain of what people expect "men" to be.
So for those of you close to the program, who know people, and who know coaches, leave the personal commentary out of the public sphere. It does nothing to promote anything and only damages peoples reputations and the only recourse they have to counter that is to publicize things that would otherwise remain behind closed doors.
Agreed, as I said before, just because you can, doesn't mean you should. the world is forgetting this at a very rapid rate. Do one to others . . .
Thumper's mother had a point.
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by AppStFan1 » Thu Jun 20, 2024 1:57 pm
ericsaid wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 12:40 pm
AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 4:54 pm
ericsaid wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2024 10:21 am
T-Dog wrote: ↑Fri Jun 14, 2024 7:55 pm
No App State player in the last several years had their character assassinated by chirpy football program staffers more than Can Peoples.
This is true. Every off-season some shit would come out about Cam being a cancer or Cam transferring or Cam being this or that. I’d imagine his stories will pertain to that.
Personally, I don’t blame him for that part but he’s kind of leaning into making them seem true depending on how he responds to this.
I don’t know why the Burger’s are upset though. Ryan got hurt, Joey came in and threw 40+ touchdowns by the end of the year and is App’s first legitimate NFL prospect at QB, maybe ever. So they can chill on whatever they are chirping about in the comments.
I am not exactly sure what happened but there was reason to worry about him leaving because his mother and Cam himself made comments that would lead you to believe they were. I appreciate Cam staying and not chasing NIL but he really disappointed me as a senior because he in fact quit on the team. If he has physical evidence to prove something that our coaches did wrong then I am open to seeing it but I am not going to just take his word. He will need to back up any bad claims he has.
The problem isn't that it was a concern, the problem is how that information was leaked, how it was leaked, and the commentary about Cam as a person surrounded it. There was a lot of vitriol directed to Cam from both fans, donors, and people who are relatively close to the program; to include people on this board and the 247 Board. A lot of it was unnecessary and I said as much at the time. These are college students, after all, and Cam left as one of App's most productive running backs in program history. Yet he is treated the same as maybe a Rod Chisholm who never really lived up to the expectations when he signed.
Some people are just different, and good ol' boy clubs like the App State fans close to the program don't like different. They want conformity. Cam is a colorful guy and that emotional presence bothers some because it goes against the grain of what people expect "men" to be.
So for those of you close to the program, who know people, and who know coaches, leave the personal commentary out of the public sphere. It does nothing to promote anything and only damages peoples reputations and the only recourse they have to counter that is to publicize things that would otherwise remain behind closed doors.
I wish scouts had not said anything to Cam about it. I am guessing there were just a few who brought it up and then he realized based on the questions of the others that they all heard the same thing. Some of them just don't have any common sense. They could have waited to see how his medical tests went to see if there is any lingering issue and could have just asked about not seeing him on the sidelines at the end of the season instead of bringing up candid comments from staff.
I don't know anyone who dislikes Cam because he is different. He is a fun personality who is well liked. I think the issue many have with him is simply the fact he had the talent to be the best running back of all-time for App but never improved and the fact he left the team instead of traveling with them at the end of his senior year and basically quitting on the team. That is where the personal comments are coming from.
I know he was not ready for the NFL but knowing what we know now I think he probably should have declared for the NFL Draft right after the North Texas game. He would have been drafted and that alone would have kept him around for 2-3 years. If he got cut and ended up needing to rebound his career he would be a couple years younger and had a better chance.
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by ericsaid » Thu Jun 20, 2024 4:16 pm
AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 1:57 pm
ericsaid wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 12:40 pm
AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 4:54 pm
ericsaid wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2024 10:21 am
T-Dog wrote: ↑Fri Jun 14, 2024 7:55 pm
No App State player in the last several years had their character assassinated by chirpy football program staffers more than Can Peoples.
This is true. Every off-season some shit would come out about Cam being a cancer or Cam transferring or Cam being this or that. I’d imagine his stories will pertain to that.
Personally, I don’t blame him for that part but he’s kind of leaning into making them seem true depending on how he responds to this.
I don’t know why the Burger’s are upset though. Ryan got hurt, Joey came in and threw 40+ touchdowns by the end of the year and is App’s first legitimate NFL prospect at QB, maybe ever. So they can chill on whatever they are chirping about in the comments.
I am not exactly sure what happened but there was reason to worry about him leaving because his mother and Cam himself made comments that would lead you to believe they were. I appreciate Cam staying and not chasing NIL but he really disappointed me as a senior because he in fact quit on the team. If he has physical evidence to prove something that our coaches did wrong then I am open to seeing it but I am not going to just take his word. He will need to back up any bad claims he has.
The problem isn't that it was a concern, the problem is how that information was leaked, how it was leaked, and the commentary about Cam as a person surrounded it. There was a lot of vitriol directed to Cam from both fans, donors, and people who are relatively close to the program; to include people on this board and the 247 Board. A lot of it was unnecessary and I said as much at the time. These are college students, after all, and Cam left as one of App's most productive running backs in program history. Yet he is treated the same as maybe a Rod Chisholm who never really lived up to the expectations when he signed.
Some people are just different, and good ol' boy clubs like the App State fans close to the program don't like different. They want conformity. Cam is a colorful guy and that emotional presence bothers some because it goes against the grain of what people expect "men" to be.
So for those of you close to the program, who know people, and who know coaches, leave the personal commentary out of the public sphere. It does nothing to promote anything and only damages peoples reputations and the only recourse they have to counter that is to publicize things that would otherwise remain behind closed doors.
I wish scouts had not said anything to Cam about it. I am guessing there were just a few who brought it up and then he realized based on the questions of the others that they all heard the same thing. Some of them just don't have any common sense. They could have waited to see how his medical tests went to see if there is any lingering issue and could have just asked about not seeing him on the sidelines at the end of the season instead of bringing up candid comments from staff.
I don't know anyone who dislikes Cam because he is different. He is a fun personality who is well liked. I think the issue many have with him is simply the fact he had the talent to be the best running back of all-time for App but never improved and the fact he left the team instead of traveling with them at the end of his senior year and basically quitting on the team. That is where the personal comments are coming from.
I know he was not ready for the NFL but knowing what we know now I think he probably should have declared for the NFL Draft right after the North Texas game. He would have been drafted and that alone would have kept him around for 2-3 years. If he got cut and ended up needing to rebound his career he would be a couple years younger and had a better chance.
I still don’t see how he didn’t improve. There were many games App lost because he didn’t play and several that were won because he played.
It is what it is and is what it was. He probably received some bad advice and if you’re in his position, you don’t know what you don’t know. I just dislike the fans interpretation of Cam more than almost anything else I’ve seen come out of App’s fan base.
I’ll leave it as saying without him App doesn’t beat Coastal in 21’ and they don’t beat Texas A&M without him in 22’. Had he played the whole conference championship I’m not convinced App couldn’t have won that game.
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by AppStFan1 » Thu Jun 20, 2024 4:37 pm
ericsaid wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 4:16 pm
AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 1:57 pm
ericsaid wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 12:40 pm
AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 4:54 pm
ericsaid wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2024 10:21 am
This is true. Every off-season some shit would come out about Cam being a cancer or Cam transferring or Cam being this or that. I’d imagine his stories will pertain to that.
Personally, I don’t blame him for that part but he’s kind of leaning into making them seem true depending on how he responds to this.
I don’t know why the Burger’s are upset though. Ryan got hurt, Joey came in and threw 40+ touchdowns by the end of the year and is App’s first legitimate NFL prospect at QB, maybe ever. So they can chill on whatever they are chirping about in the comments.
I am not exactly sure what happened but there was reason to worry about him leaving because his mother and Cam himself made comments that would lead you to believe they were. I appreciate Cam staying and not chasing NIL but he really disappointed me as a senior because he in fact quit on the team. If he has physical evidence to prove something that our coaches did wrong then I am open to seeing it but I am not going to just take his word. He will need to back up any bad claims he has.
The problem isn't that it was a concern, the problem is how that information was leaked, how it was leaked, and the commentary about Cam as a person surrounded it. There was a lot of vitriol directed to Cam from both fans, donors, and people who are relatively close to the program; to include people on this board and the 247 Board. A lot of it was unnecessary and I said as much at the time. These are college students, after all, and Cam left as one of App's most productive running backs in program history. Yet he is treated the same as maybe a Rod Chisholm who never really lived up to the expectations when he signed.
Some people are just different, and good ol' boy clubs like the App State fans close to the program don't like different. They want conformity. Cam is a colorful guy and that emotional presence bothers some because it goes against the grain of what people expect "men" to be.
So for those of you close to the program, who know people, and who know coaches, leave the personal commentary out of the public sphere. It does nothing to promote anything and only damages peoples reputations and the only recourse they have to counter that is to publicize things that would otherwise remain behind closed doors.
I wish scouts had not said anything to Cam about it. I am guessing there were just a few who brought it up and then he realized based on the questions of the others that they all heard the same thing. Some of them just don't have any common sense. They could have waited to see how his medical tests went to see if there is any lingering issue and could have just asked about not seeing him on the sidelines at the end of the season instead of bringing up candid comments from staff.
I don't know anyone who dislikes Cam because he is different. He is a fun personality who is well liked. I think the issue many have with him is simply the fact he had the talent to be the best running back of all-time for App but never improved and the fact he left the team instead of traveling with them at the end of his senior year and basically quitting on the team. That is where the personal comments are coming from.
I know he was not ready for the NFL but knowing what we know now I think he probably should have declared for the NFL Draft right after the North Texas game. He would have been drafted and that alone would have kept him around for 2-3 years. If he got cut and ended up needing to rebound his career he would be a couple years younger and had a better chance.
I still don’t see how he didn’t improve. There were many games App lost because he didn’t play and several that were won because he played.
It is what it is and is what it was. He probably received some bad advice and if you’re in his position, you don’t know what you don’t know. I just dislike the fans interpretation of Cam more than almost anything else I’ve seen come out of App’s fan base.
I’ll leave it as saying without him App doesn’t beat Coastal in 21’ and they don’t beat Texas A&M without him in 22’. Had he played the whole conference championship I’m not convinced App couldn’t have won that game.
How did you see him get better? He never became an all-around player who could block very well or a big time receiver out of the backfield. He was still a good player but I think a lot of people expected him to break records.
Cam definitely helped us but held himself out of a lot of games when he could have played. Cam might have been able to play every game and I certainly know that he held himself out the end of the season while being cleared to play.
A big issue people have with him is the fact that he not only chose not to play but did not even travel to support the team late in the year. He should have been on the sideline at Georgia Southern but chose not to.
One thing I can say is that if his football career is done it is on him and has nothing to do with the facts the coaches and support staff told NFL teams.
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How many running backs in the current NFL are full time starters and don’t catch passes or block in the backfield? I’m pretty sure the list is extremely short.
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Bigdaddyg1 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 9:21 am
How many running backs in the current NFL are full time starters and don’t catch passes or block in the backfield? I’m pretty sure the list is extremely short.
It is very short. Like I said before, there is nothing said about him that has kept him out of the NFL. I am surprised that some team has not at least brought him in to be on their 90-man roster for training camp. The fact nobody has tells me that there are many reasons he was not called to come in at least.
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by Bigdaddyg1 » Sun Jun 23, 2024 11:09 am
AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 9:34 am
Bigdaddyg1 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 9:21 am
How many running backs in the current NFL are full time starters and don’t catch passes or block in the backfield? I’m pretty sure the list is extremely short.
It is very short. Like I said before, there is nothing said about him that has kept him out of the NFL. I am surprised that some team has not at least brought him in to be on their 90-man roster for training camp. The fact nobody has tells me that there are many reasons he was not called to come in at least.
Is there actual App game film showing Cam in the backfield either not making blocks or giving minimal effort? During his career how many times was he targeted on passes? If the number on the first is higher than the second and those low lights have been viewed by scouts you have the answers. There are loads of backs everywhere who are about his size and run equally as fast as him- dime a dozen.
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by AppStFan1 » Sun Jun 23, 2024 11:25 am
Bigdaddyg1 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 11:09 am
AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 9:34 am
Bigdaddyg1 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 9:21 am
How many running backs in the current NFL are full time starters and don’t catch passes or block in the backfield? I’m pretty sure the list is extremely short.
It is very short. Like I said before, there is nothing said about him that has kept him out of the NFL. I am surprised that some team has not at least brought him in to be on their 90-man roster for training camp. The fact nobody has tells me that there are many reasons he was not called to come in at least.
Is there actual App game film showing Cam in the backfield either not making blocks or giving minimal effort? During his career how many times was he targeted on passes? If the number on the first is higher than the second and those low lights have been viewed by scouts you have the answers. There are loads of backs everywhere who are about his size and run equally as fast as him- dime a dozen.
I think a big reason he was not targeted so much on film or used as a blocker often is because of his performance in practice. The few times he blocked he was not that good and so they limited how much he was asked to do it.
There are a ton of backs with his size and speed in the SEC. The reason he stands out so much to us is we don't see players like him in the Sun Belt.
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by AppSt94 » Sun Jun 23, 2024 2:00 pm
The guys that get the reps on Gameday are the guys that the coaches trust to do what they are told to do. Putting him in on third down told the defense what was coming or more to the point, what wasn’t coming.
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AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 4:37 pm
ericsaid wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 4:16 pm
AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 1:57 pm
ericsaid wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 12:40 pm
AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 4:54 pm
I am not exactly sure what happened but there was reason to worry about him leaving because his mother and Cam himself made comments that would lead you to believe they were. I appreciate Cam staying and not chasing NIL but he really disappointed me as a senior because he in fact quit on the team. If he has physical evidence to prove something that our coaches did wrong then I am open to seeing it but I am not going to just take his word. He will need to back up any bad claims he has.
The problem isn't that it was a concern, the problem is how that information was leaked, how it was leaked, and the commentary about Cam as a person surrounded it. There was a lot of vitriol directed to Cam from both fans, donors, and people who are relatively close to the program; to include people on this board and the 247 Board. A lot of it was unnecessary and I said as much at the time. These are college students, after all, and Cam left as one of App's most productive running backs in program history. Yet he is treated the same as maybe a Rod Chisholm who never really lived up to the expectations when he signed.
Some people are just different, and good ol' boy clubs like the App State fans close to the program don't like different. They want conformity. Cam is a colorful guy and that emotional presence bothers some because it goes against the grain of what people expect "men" to be.
So for those of you close to the program, who know people, and who know coaches, leave the personal commentary out of the public sphere. It does nothing to promote anything and only damages peoples reputations and the only recourse they have to counter that is to publicize things that would otherwise remain behind closed doors.
I wish scouts had not said anything to Cam about it. I am guessing there were just a few who brought it up and then he realized based on the questions of the others that they all heard the same thing. Some of them just don't have any common sense. They could have waited to see how his medical tests went to see if there is any lingering issue and could have just asked about not seeing him on the sidelines at the end of the season instead of bringing up candid comments from staff.
I don't know anyone who dislikes Cam because he is different. He is a fun personality who is well liked. I think the issue many have with him is simply the fact he had the talent to be the best running back of all-time for App but never improved and the fact he left the team instead of traveling with them at the end of his senior year and basically quitting on the team. That is where the personal comments are coming from.
I know he was not ready for the NFL but knowing what we know now I think he probably should have declared for the NFL Draft right after the North Texas game. He would have been drafted and that alone would have kept him around for 2-3 years. If he got cut and ended up needing to rebound his career he would be a couple years younger and had a better chance.
I still don’t see how he didn’t improve. There were many games App lost because he didn’t play and several that were won because he played.
It is what it is and is what it was. He probably received some bad advice and if you’re in his position, you don’t know what you don’t know. I just dislike the fans interpretation of Cam more than almost anything else I’ve seen come out of App’s fan base.
I’ll leave it as saying without him App doesn’t beat Coastal in 21’ and they don’t beat Texas A&M without him in 22’. Had he played the whole conference championship I’m not convinced App couldn’t have won that game.
How did you see him get better? He never became an all-around player who could block very well or a big time receiver out of the backfield. He was still a good player but I think a lot of people expected him to break records.
Cam definitely helped us but held himself out of a lot of games when he could have played. Cam might have been able to play every game and I certainly know that he held himself out the end of the season while being cleared to play.
A big issue people have with him is the fact that he not only chose not to play but did not even travel to support the team late in the year. He should have been on the sideline at Georgia Southern but chose not to.
One thing I can say is that if his football career is done it is on him and has nothing to do with the facts the coaches and support staff told NFL teams.
We throw to running backs? Can’t recall 1 non screen (and we barely do that) to a RB.
We could have Darren Sproles back there and wouldn’t throw to him.
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by AppStFan1 » Sun Jun 23, 2024 3:19 pm
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The problem isn't that it was a concern, the problem is how that information was leaked, how it was leaked, and the commentary about Cam as a person surrounded it. There was a lot of vitriol directed to Cam from both fans, donors, and people who are relatively close to the program; to include people on this board and the 247 Board. A lot of it was unnecessary and I said as much at the time. These are college students, after all, and Cam left as one of App's most productive running backs in program history. Yet he is treated the same as maybe a Rod Chisholm who never really lived up to the expectations when he signed.
Some people are just different, and good ol' boy clubs like the App State fans close to the program don't like different. They want conformity. Cam is a colorful guy and that emotional presence bothers some because it goes against the grain of what people expect "men" to be.
So for those of you close to the program, who know people, and who know coaches, leave the personal commentary out of the public sphere. It does nothing to promote anything and only damages peoples reputations and the only recourse they have to counter that is to publicize things that would otherwise remain behind closed doors.
I wish scouts had not said anything to Cam about it. I am guessing there were just a few who brought it up and then he realized based on the questions of the others that they all heard the same thing. Some of them just don't have any common sense. They could have waited to see how his medical tests went to see if there is any lingering issue and could have just asked about not seeing him on the sidelines at the end of the season instead of bringing up candid comments from staff.
I don't know anyone who dislikes Cam because he is different. He is a fun personality who is well liked. I think the issue many have with him is simply the fact he had the talent to be the best running back of all-time for App but never improved and the fact he left the team instead of traveling with them at the end of his senior year and basically quitting on the team. That is where the personal comments are coming from.
I know he was not ready for the NFL but knowing what we know now I think he probably should have declared for the NFL Draft right after the North Texas game. He would have been drafted and that alone would have kept him around for 2-3 years. If he got cut and ended up needing to rebound his career he would be a couple years younger and had a better chance.
I still don’t see how he didn’t improve. There were many games App lost because he didn’t play and several that were won because he played.
It is what it is and is what it was. He probably received some bad advice and if you’re in his position, you don’t know what you don’t know. I just dislike the fans interpretation of Cam more than almost anything else I’ve seen come out of App’s fan base.
I’ll leave it as saying without him App doesn’t beat Coastal in 21’ and they don’t beat Texas A&M without him in 22’. Had he played the whole conference championship I’m not convinced App couldn’t have won that game.
How did you see him get better? He never became an all-around player who could block very well or a big time receiver out of the backfield. He was still a good player but I think a lot of people expected him to break records.
Cam definitely helped us but held himself out of a lot of games when he could have played. Cam might have been able to play every game and I certainly know that he held himself out the end of the season while being cleared to play.
A big issue people have with him is the fact that he not only chose not to play but did not even travel to support the team late in the year. He should have been on the sideline at Georgia Southern but chose not to.
One thing I can say is that if his football career is done it is on him and has nothing to do with the facts the coaches and support staff told NFL teams.
We throw to running backs? Can’t recall 1 non screen (and we barely do that) to a RB.
We could have Darren Sproles back there and wouldn’t throw to him.
We really don't do that much but don't you think if Cam was a reliable receiver that we would have used him in that way a little bit? When he was in the game on third down teams knew what was coming. Even removing the pass catching he was not a reliable blocker.
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by AppStFan1 » Sun Jun 23, 2024 3:21 pm
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The guys that get the reps on Gameday are the guys that the coaches trust to do what they are told to do. Putting him in on third down told the defense what was coming or more to the point, what wasn’t coming.
Not an argument here but a comment that popped in my head based on what you said. Coaches trust based on practice, right? One thing I remember hearing was that Daniel Wilcox was not a great practice player at all but when it was time to play in a game he was a true gamer. I remember people saying that in basketball Mantis was a great practice player but just did not show up in games. I wonder if we have anyone on the football team that coaches have expected way more or way less of based on what they have seen in practice right now?
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by AppSt94 » Mon Jun 24, 2024 9:18 am
AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 3:21 pm
AppSt94 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 2:00 pm
The guys that get the reps on Gameday are the guys that the coaches trust to do what they are told to do. Putting him in on third down told the defense what was coming or more to the point, what wasn’t coming.
Not an argument here but a comment that popped in my head based on what you said. Coaches trust based on practice, right? One thing I remember hearing was that Daniel Wilcox was not a great practice player at all but when it was time to play in a game he was a true gamer. I remember people saying that in basketball Mantis was a great practice player but just did not show up in games. I wonder if we have anyone on the football team that coaches have expected way more or way less of based on what they have seen in practice right now?
That’s a fair question but one that only the coaches would know and I doubt that they would answer it.
Everyone wanted to see Kanye on the field early in the season and him not playing was seen as a short sided decision by the coaches. Truth is, he had fumbling issues early on and they weren’t going to put him out there unless necessary. I don’t think he re-entered the game after the fumble against ECU. But to his credit, he worked his ass off in practice on his ball handling and it paid off for him and the team. In short, you play the guys that you trust.
Funny story, I was up in Boone for the football teams golf tournament and was bantering with Haines about a play design that I had come up with to get Kanye out in space. I was curious as to where the flaws in my design were. He liked it and I pitched it to Ponce. He found it intriguing. The next morning, the first person that I saw at the course was Haines and he told me that they were going to install the concept. We will see if they actually do.
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by mike87 » Mon Jun 24, 2024 9:44 am
AppSt94 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2024 9:18 am
AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 3:21 pm
AppSt94 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 2:00 pm
The guys that get the reps on Gameday are the guys that the coaches trust to do what they are told to do. Putting him in on third down told the defense what was coming or more to the point, what wasn’t coming.
Not an argument here but a comment that popped in my head based on what you said. Coaches trust based on practice, right? One thing I remember hearing was that Daniel Wilcox was not a great practice player at all but when it was time to play in a game he was a true gamer. I remember people saying that in basketball Mantis was a great practice player but just did not show up in games. I wonder if we have anyone on the football team that coaches have expected way more or way less of based on what they have seen in practice right now?
That’s a fair question but one that only the coaches would know and I doubt that they would answer it.
Everyone wanted to see Kanye on the field early in the season and him not playing was seen as a short sided decision by the coaches. Truth is, he had fumbling issues early on and they weren’t going to put him out there unless necessary. I don’t think he re-entered the game after the fumble against ECU. But to his credit, he worked his ass off in practice on his ball handling and it paid off for him and the team. In short, you play the guys that you trust.
Funny story, I was up in Boone for the football teams golf tournament and was bantering with Haines about a play design that I had come up with to get Kanye out in space. I was curious as to where the flaws in my design were. He liked it and I pitched it to Ponce. He found it intriguing. The next morning, the first person that I saw at the course was Haines and he told me that they were going to install the concept. We will see if they actually do.
Hey that's a great play design, we are going to implement it! Can I interest you in a couple more of those box seats? You'll be able to see your play so much better when we run it from there....

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by AppSt94 » Mon Jun 24, 2024 9:51 am
mike87 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2024 9:44 am
AppSt94 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2024 9:18 am
AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 3:21 pm
AppSt94 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 2:00 pm
The guys that get the reps on Gameday are the guys that the coaches trust to do what they are told to do. Putting him in on third down told the defense what was coming or more to the point, what wasn’t coming.
Not an argument here but a comment that popped in my head based on what you said. Coaches trust based on practice, right? One thing I remember hearing was that Daniel Wilcox was not a great practice player at all but when it was time to play in a game he was a true gamer. I remember people saying that in basketball Mantis was a great practice player but just did not show up in games. I wonder if we have anyone on the football team that coaches have expected way more or way less of based on what they have seen in practice right now?
That’s a fair question but one that only the coaches would know and I doubt that they would answer it.
Everyone wanted to see Kanye on the field early in the season and him not playing was seen as a short sided decision by the coaches. Truth is, he had fumbling issues early on and they weren’t going to put him out there unless necessary. I don’t think he re-entered the game after the fumble against ECU. But to his credit, he worked his ass off in practice on his ball handling and it paid off for him and the team. In short, you play the guys that you trust.
Funny story, I was up in Boone for the football teams golf tournament and was bantering with Haines about a play design that I had come up with to get Kanye out in space. I was curious as to where the flaws in my design were. He liked it and I pitched it to Ponce. He found it intriguing. The next morning, the first person that I saw at the course was Haines and he told me that they were going to install the concept. We will see if they actually do.
Hey that's a great play design, we are going to implement it! Can I interest you in a couple more of those box seats? You'll be able to see your play so much better when we run it from there....
Right! I really didn’t expect them to do much more than listen, and then roll their eyes and dismiss it. When Haines told me that they were going to install the formation, I think I actually said, “we’ll see.” LOL
I sit in the NEZ so I’ll see it when (if) they run it. It’s not a complicated design, it just as a lot of possibilities that have to be defended.
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by AppStFan1 » Mon Jun 24, 2024 11:20 am
AppSt94 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2024 9:18 am
AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 3:21 pm
AppSt94 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 2:00 pm
The guys that get the reps on Gameday are the guys that the coaches trust to do what they are told to do. Putting him in on third down told the defense what was coming or more to the point, what wasn’t coming.
Not an argument here but a comment that popped in my head based on what you said. Coaches trust based on practice, right? One thing I remember hearing was that Daniel Wilcox was not a great practice player at all but when it was time to play in a game he was a true gamer. I remember people saying that in basketball Mantis was a great practice player but just did not show up in games. I wonder if we have anyone on the football team that coaches have expected way more or way less of based on what they have seen in practice right now?
That’s a fair question but one that only the coaches would know and I doubt that they would answer it.
Everyone wanted to see Kanye on the field early in the season and him not playing was seen as a short sided decision by the coaches. Truth is, he had fumbling issues early on and they weren’t going to put him out there unless necessary. I don’t think he re-entered the game after the fumble against ECU. But to his credit, he worked his ass off in practice on his ball handling and it paid off for him and the team. In short, you play the guys that you trust.
Funny story, I was up in Boone for the football teams golf tournament and was bantering with Haines about a play design that I had come up with to get Kanye out in space. I was curious as to where the flaws in my design were. He liked it and I pitched it to Ponce. He found it intriguing. The next morning, the first person that I saw at the course was Haines and he told me that they were going to install the concept. We will see if they actually do.
A running back that fumbles just won't stay on the field. They got to protect the ball.
I have always thought we should get the running back the ball in the passing game to add another dimension and keep teams from knowing what we are doing when Kanye or any other back is in the game.
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by 311neers » Mon Jun 24, 2024 11:21 am
AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2024 11:20 am
AppSt94 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2024 9:18 am
AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 3:21 pm
AppSt94 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 2:00 pm
The guys that get the reps on Gameday are the guys that the coaches trust to do what they are told to do. Putting him in on third down told the defense what was coming or more to the point, what wasn’t coming.
Not an argument here but a comment that popped in my head based on what you said. Coaches trust based on practice, right? One thing I remember hearing was that Daniel Wilcox was not a great practice player at all but when it was time to play in a game he was a true gamer. I remember people saying that in basketball Mantis was a great practice player but just did not show up in games. I wonder if we have anyone on the football team that coaches have expected way more or way less of based on what they have seen in practice right now?
That’s a fair question but one that only the coaches would know and I doubt that they would answer it.
Everyone wanted to see Kanye on the field early in the season and him not playing was seen as a short sided decision by the coaches. Truth is, he had fumbling issues early on and they weren’t going to put him out there unless necessary. I don’t think he re-entered the game after the fumble against ECU. But to his credit, he worked his ass off in practice on his ball handling and it paid off for him and the team. In short, you play the guys that you trust.
Funny story, I was up in Boone for the football teams golf tournament and was bantering with Haines about a play design that I had come up with to get Kanye out in space. I was curious as to where the flaws in my design were. He liked it and I pitched it to Ponce. He found it intriguing. The next morning, the first person that I saw at the course was Haines and he told me that they were going to install the concept. We will see if they actually do.
A running back that fumbles just won't stay on the field. They got to protect the ball.
I have always thought we should get the running back the ball in the passing game to add another dimension and keep teams from knowing what we are doing when Kanye or any other back is in the game.
Get your athletes in space and get them the ball. Either our RB’s can’t catch or we just don’t care to use them in the passing game. Hopefully we can get them involved a little more.