App...athy. = sadness

[Stonewall]

If he wins 8 he gets another year based on what I hear . A losing record and he’s gone. In between- there seems to be no consensus. That’s as of today and subject to change.

[311neers]

If he wins 8 he gets another year based on what I hear . A losing record and he’s gone. In between- there seems to be no consensus. That’s as of today and subject to change.

8?! That’s sad. We won 9 last year. 8 is regression for “the year” they told us about. I’d be thrilled with 8 though as of now.

[Stonewall]

It would be a regression. And yes I was told 24 would be the year. Maybe I misunderstood? We are coming off the worst Sunbelt loss I recall but if we finish 8-4 I can see the staff coming back.

[Saint3333]

Whoever set the line in the sand at 8 will revise to 6 and a bowl win if needed.

New standards are fluid.

[yosef69]

In the most tumultuous time in CFB history, we are good with mediocre

Pack it in folks.

[Stonewall]

Line in the sand ?

[704App]

I think we can all agree, pending another South Alabama type beat down from Liberty next weekend, nothing is likely to happen until December when the buyout drops.

Firing him now does zero good and is a waste of money... Right now

[BallantyneApp]

If he wins 8 he gets another year based on what I hear . A losing record and he’s gone. In between- there seems to be no consensus. That’s as of today and subject to change.

Any insight on why 8 is the number?

[Stonewall]

If he wins 8 he gets another year based on what I hear . A losing record and he’s gone. In between- there seems to be no consensus. That’s as of today and subject to change.

Any insight on why 8 is the number?

To be clear my friend , that’s my interpretation of conversations I have had with a handful of people who are at the table. There has been no “straw vote” or anything of that nature to my knowledge. 8 gets the staff another year but not an extension. Thats my read. And things could change. Everyone, me included, wants the staff and players to turn it around . Coach is a great guy. But you have to win . Time will tell what they decide the standard is.

[AppWyo]

Not in this case. It happened last year.

I wonder, what level of success Shawn Clark would need to achieve for everyone that post on here to be satisfied with Shawn Clark as the head football coach?

Really simple, the same stated goal of the man himself.

An SBC title in what we were told would be the year. It was stated during the offseason often.

It is possible.

Now you answer a question, under what outcome this season would you support a change?

I do not know if I would ever support a change. I would like for Shawn Clark to go out on his own terms. He has enough support that to fire him would do more harm than good regardless of what his record is as a head coach. An example of that is the firing of Ruffin McNeal, it is still costing ECU or Western Carolina's Bob Waters. Actually, Appalachian could have fallen off of a cliff if the firing of Jerry Moore had been handled any differently.

His objective take here is simply: he is okay with losing.

How you treat people is more important than winning or losing.

I just do not understand why people think that someone else is always better than who we have. I believe that had Shawn Clark not been hired and someone else had the same record, some on this board would be saying we should have hired Shawn Clark...

[RaleighApp27609]

I wonder, what level of success Shawn Clark would need to achieve for everyone that post on here to be satisfied with Shawn Clark as the head football coach?

Really simple, the same stated goal of the man himself.

An SBC title in what we were told would be the year. It was stated during the offseason often.

It is possible.

Now you answer a question, under what outcome this season would you support a change?

I do not know if I would ever support a change. I would like for Shawn Clark to go out on his own terms. He has enough support that to fire him would do more harm than good regardless of what his record is as a head coach. An example of that is the firing of Ruffin McNeal, it is still costing ECU or Western Carolina's Bob Waters. Actually, Appalachian could have fallen off of a cliff if the firing of Jerry Moore had been handled any differently.

His objective take here is simply: he is okay with losing.

How you treat people is more important than winning or losing.

I just do not understand why people think that someone else is always better than who we have. I believe that had Shawn Clark not been hired and someone else had the same record, some on this board would be saying we should have hired Shawn Clark...

Straightforward question for you: How bad would things have to get before you would support a coaching change?

[appst89]

I wonder, what level of success Shawn Clark would need to achieve for everyone that post on here to be satisfied with Shawn Clark as the head football coach?

Really simple, the same stated goal of the man himself.

An SBC title in what we were told would be the year. It was stated during the offseason often.

It is possible.

Now you answer a question, under what outcome this season would you support a change?

I do not know if I would ever support a change. I would like for Shawn Clark to go out on his own terms. He has enough support that to fire him would do more harm than good regardless of what his record is as a head coach. An example of that is the firing of Ruffin McNeal, it is still costing ECU or Western Carolina's Bob Waters. Actually, Appalachian could have fallen off of a cliff if the firing of Jerry Moore had been handled any differently.

His objective take here is simply: he is okay with losing.

How you treat people is more important than winning or losing.

I just do not understand why people think that someone else is always better than who we have. I believe that had Shawn Clark not been hired and someone else had the same record, some on this board would be saying we should have hired Shawn Clark...

You’re absolutely right. If someone else had put up the same numbers with the same optics the fan base would be up in arms.

[yosef69]

I wonder, what level of success Shawn Clark would need to achieve for everyone that post on here to be satisfied with Shawn Clark as the head football coach?

Really simple, the same stated goal of the man himself.

An SBC title in what we were told would be the year. It was stated during the offseason often.

It is possible.

Now you answer a question, under what outcome this season would you support a change?

I do not know if I would ever support a change. I would like for Shawn Clark to go out on his own terms. He has enough support that to fire him would do more harm than good regardless of what his record is as a head coach. An example of that is the firing of Ruffin McNeal, it is still costing ECU or Western Carolina's Bob Waters. Actually, Appalachian could have fallen off of a cliff if the firing of Jerry Moore had been handled any differently.

His objective take here is simply: he is okay with losing.

How you treat people is more important than winning or losing.

I just do not understand why people think that someone else is always better than who we have. I believe that had Shawn Clark not been hired and someone else had the same record, some on this board would be saying we should have hired Shawn Clark...

Since when is winning and being a nice guy mutually exclusive?

[Pikapp79]

Line in the sand ?

The line has been crossed multiple times. We keep drawing another and one say step over it. Competition does and we draw another line.

[Rekdiver]

My God people, in the world we live in expecting a conference championship every year or fire the coach is a terrible take. A couple years of 6-6 back to back sure but we are there yet IMO.

[BambooRdApp]

Line in the sand ?

The line has been crossed multiple times. We keep drawing another and one say step over it. Competition does and we draw another line.

[Stonewall]

I don’t know that an unchangeable line has been drawn. As of now. Could be wrong. Situation is fluid.

[JTApps1]

My God people, in the world we live in expecting a conference championship every year or fire the coach is a terrible take. A couple years of 6-6 back to back sure but we are there yet IMO.

Let's say we win 8 regular season games and don't make the CCG. Would people honestly think firing a coach with win totals of 9, 10, 6, 9, and 8 would make the job attractive to potential replacements? I'd say yes/maybe if we had equal resources as other top G5 schools, but being below that while expecting a ring every other season will be a hard sell. I'm fine with that expectation IF we give whoever the coach is the resources to do it.

[AppDub]

I wonder, what level of success Shawn Clark would need to achieve for everyone that post on here to be satisfied with Shawn Clark as the head football coach?

Really simple, the same stated goal of the man himself.

An SBC title in what we were told would be the year. It was stated during the offseason often.

It is possible.

Now you answer a question, under what outcome this season would you support a change?

I do not know if I would ever support a change. I would like for Shawn Clark to go out on his own terms. He has enough support that to fire him would do more harm than good regardless of what his record is as a head coach. An example of that is the firing of Ruffin McNeal, it is still costing ECU or Western Carolina's Bob Waters. Actually, Appalachian could have fallen off of a cliff if the firing of Jerry Moore had been handled any differently.

His objective take here is simply: he is okay with losing.

How you treat people is more important than winning or losing.

I just do not understand why people think that someone else is always better than who we have. I believe that had Shawn Clark not been hired and someone else had the same record, some on this board would be saying we should have hired Shawn Clark...

I agree that how you treat people is important. That is why I always speak respectfully to you bunch of bozos when I disagree. That's humor in case someone gets their undergarments ruffled. However, in a performance based career, just as I and many of you are in, nice guys do lose their jobs by not meeting the standards laid out for them. I'm not saying Clark should be fired, that's up to the standard bearers. I'm just saying both being nice and great at what you do matter.

[Saint3333]

Let’s level set the level of resources vs our peers.

Which SBC programs raise more money via their scholarship fund, tickets, and licensing revenue than App?